Dec. 5, 2023

A Touch of the Madness with Larry Kasanoff

A Touch of the Madness with Larry Kasanoff
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Season 11 Self-Confidence Creativity & Self-Expression

Larry Kasanoff, legendary Hollywood producer and author of 'A Touch of the Madness,' shares his experiences and insights on creativity and innovation. He discusses the inspiration behind his book and the importance of embracing the madness to unleash your creative potential. Larry encourages you to embrace your craziest ideas and not be afraid to pursue them.
Key Takeaways:

  • Never let go of an idea that you believe in. Persistence and determination are key to success.
  • Trust your creative instincts and don't be afraid to pursue your passions.
  • Practice mindfulness and be still to tap into your inner wisdom and make better decisions.
  • Embrace playfulness and have fun in the creative process. Don't be afraid to take risks and think outside the box.


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Transcript
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This is Crappita Happy and I am your host, Cass Doune.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course, author of the.

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Crappita Happy books.

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In this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring,

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intelligent people who are experts in their field and who

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have something of value to share that will help you

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feel less crappy and more happy. Larry Kasanov is chairman

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and CEO of Threshold Entertainment. As a Hollywood producer or

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studio head, he has made over two hundred feature films,

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including Dirty Dancing and the Academy Award winning Best Picture Platoon.

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Other films he's produced include Blue Steel, True Lies, Terminated

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to Judgment Day, and the Mortal Kombat franchise. In this conversation,

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Larry shares with me his experiences and insights on creativity

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and innovation. He discusses the inspiration behind his book, A

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Touch of the Madness, and the importance of embracing your

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madness to unleash your creative potential. Larry, Welcome to the

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Crappy the Happy Podcast. Such a pleasure to meet you.

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Thanks guys, great to be here.

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I really really enjoyed your book, A Touch of the Madness.

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I need to say.

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One thing I really enjoyed about it was all of

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the amazing stories throughout the book about your experiences working

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in Hollywood as a producer over the past decades. And

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I wanted to ask, was it really fun to write that?

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Was it like a trip down memory lane for you

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to bring up all of those stories and remember those experiences.

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Yeah, it was really fundurrated. Actually, I sort of know.

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During the pandemic we were very everyone was outsourced and

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I just had one assistant working with me. This b

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huge studio in it, and I realized I was telling

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her some of these stories as a way of kind

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of teacher or torture or however you want to put it,

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and it was sort of fun. That's kind of how

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I got the idea. Yeah, they're very fun. I love them,

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and I love that kind of stuff, and I think

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it's told last and so it was really fun. You know,

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I tend to not look back a lot, so it

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was a very unusual experience for me to do that.

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Oh well, you know, some of those stories felt like

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they were out of movies.

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Honestly, that the drama behind the making of the movie

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is often more intense and interesting than the actual dramatic

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story in the movie.

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Right right, That is interesting.

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The book is called A Touch of the Madness, and

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it is a book really about the pursuit of creativity

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and innovation, which is so important. I was curious to know,

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of all of the books you could write, Larry, what

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inspired you to write to this particular book at this time.

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I simply found the last few years than more than

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I've ever seen. I was running into people, not only

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in my business, but lots of them who were scared

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to be creative and who were scared to be their

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most creative selves. And I think maybe it was the

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pandemic gay people the opportunity to reflect. And I met

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so many people who said, you know what I really

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want to do is but no, it's too crazy, or

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my whatever husband, wife, mother, father, or sister, brother, boss

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won't like it. I better not, you know. We sort

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of matched the pandemic with a very politically correct movement

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with a unch of social media. Maybe people were worried

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about getting criticized. I don't know why, and I got

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so sick of I was talking to my friends about

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it and Finally my brothers said, we'll stop talking about

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to write a book, and I thought, hey, that's a

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good idea. And so that is I have one purpose

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in this and I give speeches as well, and my

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only purpose is to try and inspire people to be

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their most unfettered creative self. I mean, how many times

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in the last four years, if you were some friends

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sat around and said, well, what did you do last night?

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I tried to find something to watch on streaming and

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I couldn't find anything watch. It's part of the same thing,

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and so I want people to be I mean, you

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know some of the guests you have in your podcast,

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you know, the Queen of Clean, I mean you know,

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she just said, well, I just love it. I decided

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to go for it. That's great. The more many people.

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Don't do that, it is so true.

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Yeah, so that's it. I just want to inspire people

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to be their most uninhibited, unfettered creatives. Album. It's it's happy,

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it's fun, it helps, it work, it helps in personal life,

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and it tends to result in better things. Because the

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audience or your customers or whatever, they want new one different.

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They don't want to try it. The truth and there's

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a kind of a shift towards I better be very careful.

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If I do the dry and the tour, I won't

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get fired. But also you won't be great. And so

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if you want to be great, and you want to

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really go for it, you've got to have a touch

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of the madness. The current of the river of life

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will always pull you towards the middle of everybody, all

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the time, imperceptibly, when you're sleeping, when you're taking a

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walk in the woods. And the only way to fight

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against it, I think is by embracing the madness, by

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just saying and hell with it, I'm going to do it.

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And it's that idea in the back of your mind

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that you think it's too crazy, that's the one do it.

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And actually that brings me to can you define You've

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got a great story about how you came up with

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that term, a touch of the madness?

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Can you tell that story?

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Yeah? Sure. So I wanted to be a movie producers

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since I was a very since I was a little kid,

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and I got very lucky, and right out of grad school,

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I got a job as head of production and acquisitions

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co productions of a new independent film studio called restaurant.

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And this was the in the mid eighties when there

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was a home video boom, and home video boom then

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was much like the streaming broom. Now it's what I

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call a content gold rush. All of a sudden, some

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new industry pops up and it needs content. And today

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it was streaming in all those swim lanes. Then it

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was video stores with empty shows movies. So my first

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job out of school was to be the head of

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a of a studio that had me eighty movies a year,

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eight zero. Most big studios today make twelve movies a year.

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And so we made and in my instructions were buy them,

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may co produced them, do whatever now you want, just

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don't lose money. And so we made rom coms, and

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we made a low budget horror films and kind of

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action movies, be stars in it. And then we got

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a script called Platoon, and this was not that kind

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of a movie. Platoon was a wonderful scripber and by

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Oliver Stone, a movie to be directed by him about

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the Vietnam War and the effect it had on kids.

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The tagline of the movie was the first casualty of

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Wars innocence, So it was more about the psychological effect

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it had, and that was a new take on the

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Vietnam War. The psychological effect had the people. It wasn't fun,

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It wasn't the rom com. It wasn't a happy, little

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goofy horror movie. The people in it became stars, but

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they weren't stars. Oliver was not you know. We had

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done a previous movie with him, which was great, but

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it wasn't hit. He wasn't you know, he wasn't the

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famous director he became. And I wanted to make it

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and my boss said, no way, you're crazy, which was

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team but and he said, but you're head of production.

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I kept fighting. He said, you're head of production, and

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if you want to do it, it's your choice. If

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it fails, you're fired. What do you want to do?

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And I was, you know, a few months into the

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best job of my life, and I did some soul

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searching and said, well, I didn't get into the movie

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business to play it safe. So I greamed the Platoon

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first time I saw the first cut. I'm the only

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person I think on earth to giggle his way through

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Platoon now because it wasn't great, but because it was

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so great, I was like, oh, my god, I'm not

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going to get fired. And it was so good it

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won Best Picture at the Academy Awards. A few months later,

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I ran into the director at a bar in New

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York and he bought me a drink and he said,

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you know, kid, I always liked you. You have a

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touch of the madness. And I thought, a touch of

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the madness? Is? Is he calling me crazy? Am I

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a little crazy? And then I thought, well, my boss

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was crazy to let a kid out of school run

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an eating picture of films. Late Oliver had a touch

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to the madness by insisting in doing a Vietnam movie

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the way no one had ever done it. And I

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think I had a touch of the madness by betting

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the best job you could possibly imagine on one movie.

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And that's when it occurred to me that this is it.

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This is which an innovation demands, the touch of the

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madness that has become the touchstone now of my career

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or my life. It's how I make movies, it's how

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I buy art, it's how I cast films. It's I

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always look for that. Even when I cast movies, I

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look in actors eyes and I decide to myself, do

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they have a touch of the madness, because if they do,

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they're going to do unpredictable, wonderful things on screen. If

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they don't, the audience might gell little barrythm. And that's

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how I even cast. So that's what I do, and

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that's the book. It was an easy way to come

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up with the title because I think you just have

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to embrace the madness. We are often told, oh, you know,

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they're too crazy. No no, no, no no. I want you

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to embrace that crazy side.

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That's a very cool story.

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And I want to know, do you think that it's

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something because from a very young age, I mean, you risked,

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like you said, the greatest job of the world on

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that movie. Is it something that you think more people

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are just born with or is it something that you

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can cultivate?

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Oh? I totally think you can cultivate it. I mean

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I think I think it's like any skill, some people

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are more prone to it than others, and then something

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do it, you know, the thousands of hours of hard work.

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But I think you can cultivate it. And I think

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you can cultivate it by just starting and trying. You know.

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I think there are three steps to this. I call

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him cap create, ask play and in the ass category,

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which is the second one. I just I encourage people

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to ask anybody anything. Once you've got your great idea,

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you know what you want to do, you got to

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ask anybody anything, anywhere, all the time to do it.

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And so here's an example of that. We made during

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the pandemic and animated movie called Bubbleheads, and we wanted

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to get share in the movie, the iconic share and

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it went way. She won't do it, so we called

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up and box story short. She did it, and she

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was great, and we used her likeness as babble That

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share was fantastic. When the movie came out, people magazine

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Eat your Viewer and said, you've never done an animated movie.

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Why did you do this one? And she said, I've

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never done an animated movie before because no one ever

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asked me before I did. I didn't know she hadn't

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done one before. I didn't thought of it. But the

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point is, if if one of the most iconic women

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on the planet share had never done something before, and

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most people probably were too scared to call her, can

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you imagine who in your life, all your listeners' lives

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might be someone they want to call and ask something.

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But they're thinking, oh, no, they'll ever do it. Maybe

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no one ask them. So the best way I suggest

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to start to take your first tone in the water

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of embracing your madness is ask. So maybe you don't

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call share your first time out. You call your brother

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in law and ask him why he never, you know,

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brings wine to dinner. Who knows? But just you can

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call anybody. And if I were say to all your

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listeners right now, okay, if you could call anyone in

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the world right now who's alive, and ask them one question.

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Who would you call and what would you ask? And

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most people go, huh, that's a good one. I never

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thought of that. I never thought of it because we're

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not raised to think you can't. I happened to have

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it ever since, so it's not just as a movie.

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And I think that's agree way to start. Just start

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calling people. And now it's so easy. When I started

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the head with telephone, now you have your phone faxing,

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just so many ways you get in touch with you.

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It's so true.

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it really stopped me. I thought when it said stop

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right now, stop reading who if you could call anybody.

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Who would you call them? What would you ask him?

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I thought, God, who would I call?

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See everyone says.

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And it wasn't necessarily that it made me stop and

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think who would I call? It was what would I

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ask for? That was the really tricky bit, like what

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do I really want? I think that's a great question, Yeah,

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people to ask?

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And then who might be able to help me?

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Did you come up with one?

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that whole what do I want thing at the moment.

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to narrow it down. But on that as well, it

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all so made me think, like since I started this podcast,

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and I've been doing this for six years now, when

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I first started inviting guests on, I've got some really

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great guests, so, you know, really well known New York

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Times bestselling people. And I've had so many people contact

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me and say, Cass, I'm starting a podcast, can you

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tell me what do you need to do? Like, how

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do I get the really good guest? I would say,

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you know how I got the good guest?

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I asked them.

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I literally just send them an email or I sent

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them a DM on Instagram. You'd be surprised how many

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people say sure, love to you just gotta ask.

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You just got to ask exactly. So that's a great

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to get into it.

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earlier the river of life always wants to pull you

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back to the middle. I think that's a great quote

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as well. And I thought, with my psychologists brain, I thought, yeah,

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but so does our brain, you know, so does our brain.

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Who is it's so focused on keeping us safe, you know,

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like its whole job is to you know, keep your

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head down, don't risk threat, which humiliates.

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Rejection, et cetera, et cetera.

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playing things safe. And I was curious to know, Larry,

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because you have a touch of the madness. Do you

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have you ever experienced that kind of like, oh, I

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don't know if I should do this, and how what

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do you do to overcome any of that sort of

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risk avoidance or hesitation that might all cross sure?

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You know, I You know, they always say, you know

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it's great quote the difference between a hero and a coward.

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They both feel fear, but the hero does it anyway.

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There are things I've done where I thought, holy crap,

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can I can I? Can I do this now? Is

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this right? Is this? I mean, this is kind of

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very timely. I don't mean it to be so sound

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so serious, but a long time ago I was making

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one of the Mortal Kombat movies I produced, and we're

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going all over the world, and we were in England

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and we were about to go to Israel, pick up

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a crew and go into Jeordan to shoot. And we

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were going to have a crew that was British, American,

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Israeli in Jordan. It was the first time a mixed

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crew like that was ever going to shoot in Jordan.

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You know, I was worried, what if something happens? Am

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I doing the right thing? And then I thought, well,

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I mean, first of all, the locations in Jordan and

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Petra are just out of this world. And you had

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to go for the movie. We wanted the movie to

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be great. And then I thought, well, how will we

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ever get to know people if we always avoided, And

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so I went. We went. On the first day, we

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were in a little shop and our kind of guy

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who was this really woman and the shopkeeper and everyone

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was willing about started talking, and then at one point

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they switched to English and the woman said, so where

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are you from? And he said Bagdad And she said

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where are you from? And he said Tel Aviv And

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everyone kind of pulled back, and he saw some tension

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room and one said to the other, I forget, which

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you know, I know something about I had to leave

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with you or my city is destroy guy, I forget

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who said you know some kind of a slightly accusatory

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thing about the other, And everyone now really goes back.

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people talking went at politicians and they hugged and everyone applauded,

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and they brought out tea and it was just great. So,

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you know, yeah, and so if you want, nothing great

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happens without taking a chance. So if you want to

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do something great or be great, or find greatness in

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your life, even if it's for you, then you have

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to take a chance and you have to Sometimes it's

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harder and sometimes it's not. And I think if people

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don't really want to do it, I mean I really

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wanted to shoot them movie in Pedra and go. If

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you don't want to do it, don't do it. Like

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I'm scared of ice climbing, but I have no interest

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whatsoever in ice climbing, so I'm not going to do it.

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most fulfilling and then when you have done it, it's great.

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There is a section of the book where I say,

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you know, a touch of the madness, and you don't

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want too much of the madness. There are times in

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my life where I think I've probably gone a little

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bit overboard with that, you know. But yeah, I mean

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if nothing again, if you want to do something great,

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you've got to take that shot, even if it's scared.

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The The thing today that is people are very scared

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of rejection. I mean, you're this likelogists, you would know

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why better than I would. I mean, maybe it's because

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now you get rejected at the last on social media forever,

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but people tell me I'm crazy all the time. I

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like it now. People also say no to me all

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the time. They disagree with me all the time, they

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say that stupid all the time. I mean, I don't know.

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So what I mean, what happens? The sky doesn't fall

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in so, you know, irving things I'm wrong, don't do it?

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Like you said, social media, cancel culture. Everybody's so fearful

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of public humiliation. But you're right, at the end of

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the day, what's the worst thing that can happen. Nobody's

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going to die. You know.

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It's perspective, isn't it.

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Yeah? Nothing, you know. I was in I was visiting

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my brother and sister in law in New York over Thanksgiving.

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We were walking through a Central Park and at Central Park,

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this is actually a little amphitheater, and it was all there.

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My sister in law, I said, I'll give you ten

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bucks if you go up there and sing. Didn't they?

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And I did it, you know, in the middle of

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cent your park. I started singing at the end of it.

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I mean, because like, so, what if people I don't

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know in Sentil Park think them in that? I mean,

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Back when I was doing my psychology degree, that used

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to be an exercise we would get people to do.

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Actually make people, make people people who had social anxiety

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and things like that. You'd say, you know, basically, it's

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like an exposure treatment, you know, like go out and

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do something really embarrassing and just see what happens, and

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you know, and they come away going well, I felt

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like a bit of a dick for a few minutes,

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and everything's fine. It's it's actually can be really.

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Effective, right, Nothing are of exactly getting back to.

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Your cap create was is the first step because you

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jump straight straight to the ask, but the first thing

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is to create. And I really like that you make

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the distinction when you talk about having a creative idea,

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really drilling into what the essence is of the idea.

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I think that's a really important point. Could you explain.

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That, sure? So here's an example. When I made the

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first Mortal Kombat movie, no one had ever made a

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hit mood video game. They were all big failures like

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Mario Brothers in the old days, and it was thought

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you couldn't do it. So everyone and again told me

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I was crazy, You can't do it, you're gonna ruin

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your career. But I never thought I was making a

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movie in a video game. I thought I was making

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a movie from the essence. But what made that video

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game so successful? And to me, the essence of the

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video game was not how the buttons were on the

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control of the video game. The essence was in power.

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Martial arts teaches that you don't have to be the

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biggest kid on the block, and you can overcome all

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kinds of obstacles. And when I was wandering around an

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arcade in Westwll, California, deciding I should bet my career

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in this arcade is place where they used to go

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and put coins and machines play video games. A little guy,

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remember that, A little kid slapped a quarter down on

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the machine and looked up and said, I challenged you

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to Mortal Kombat, and then he beat the crap on it.

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He was great and warl Kombat makes you feel great

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when you win. Voices say we did zero loser is excellent.

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The kid left feeling sky high. He had control. He

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was how would you beat this that up? And I

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decided to do it. So once you realize the essence,

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in my mind, the essence of Moral Kombat is empowerment.

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The top of that pyramid of that idea is not

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the video game. The video game is one run down.

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The top is essence, and then you can go back

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to the top and go down another side and make

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a movie, go back to the essence, to go down

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the other side and make a stage show, and go

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back down another side and make a TV show, because

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then you are locked into the essence of your idea

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and you really understand it in a way that maybe

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other people don't quite see it. And it's not the

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audience's job to figure that out. It's just that they're

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talking to enjoy it. So in that case, the essence

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of Mortal Kombat in my mind was empowerment. We just

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it up with all kinds of you know, great locations

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and cast and stuff, but that was the essence of it.

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And I think you have to understand your idea because

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if you do, and you really know why you're doing it,

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it becomes much easier to call and ask people questions.

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Like I honestly, I don't like calling people and asking

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them for favors, but I have no problem calling anyone

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and asking them for AE hundred million dollars if I

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think my movie's great and I believe it, you know,

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because I think I'm offering them a great deal. So

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the essence helps you not only understand what you're doing,

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it helps you believe in it.

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Yeah, I really love that. I love that.

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I think also for people who are very creative, they

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can be kind of have too many ideas, overwhelmed with

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too many different ways that they could go and take this,

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Whereas if you drill into the essence, it kind of

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it's a bit of a guiding light almost something to.

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Bring it back down.

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Listen, I've been working in World combat for twenty five

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years or something, where our twentieth production, and so you know, yeah,

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if you get something right like that, it can last

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for a long long time. You know. One of the

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first movies we were involved in was Dirty Dancing, which

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still to this child to write me where the pandemic.

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Not only does the music and then movie play everywhere,

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there were stage shows that played all around the world.

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You know, what's the essence of Dirty Dancing? You know,

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it's she can you know, you any any woman watching

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00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.480
can get a you know, a bad boy prince to

464
00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.920
become a hero for her I mean, that's it. That's

465
00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.279
it's all. There is time, that's all. It's very deal.

466
00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:07.559
That's the essence of very dance. It's just it's a

467
00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:09.200
it's a fairy tale in another setting.

468
00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.319
The other thing that you say, Larry, is when you

469
00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.640
grab a hold of an idea, when you've got an idea,

470
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.279
never let it go right. And I was really curious,

471
00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.599
I like that idea or like that kind of that

472
00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:36.759
idea of the determination, the persistence if you really believe

473
00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.920
in something, Is there a time when you should quit?

474
00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:40.160
Though?

475
00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:42.720
Is there a circumstance when you should go, oh, look

476
00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:43.400
this is.

477
00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:46.599
You know, there's an audit expression poker. You know, it's

478
00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.599
it's good to know when to fool them. I'm probably

479
00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:51.799
not that great in that. I I I When I

480
00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:54.920
get onto something, I I'm like a dog with a bone,

481
00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.319
and I often don't let go. But if you don't mind,

482
00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.680
here's a dirty dancing story. Dancing well, you know, when

483
00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:02.799
we started Jerry Dancing, it was a movie that another

484
00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.440
studio had thought about making it then stopped and we

485
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.000
bought it from that studio. Wasn't going well, and the

486
00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.079
company managed to lure these two sort of musical and

487
00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.160
production kind of geniuses. They Michael Lloyd and Jimmy Jiner

488
00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.319
to come and oversee the movie, and that was and

489
00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.200
once that happened, yes, I relieve that was great because

490
00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.759
they were the geniuses behind Jerry Dancing. And the song

491
00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.079
Time of My Life had already been recorded, but as

492
00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.960
a high falsetto disco song, Jimmy and Michael wanted to

493
00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.160
change it. They re recorded it with a deeper voice.

494
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.559
They got Bill Medie from the Righteous Brothers, and they

495
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:38.079
sent it to everybody, you know, the director, movie, the

496
00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.720
record company, and no one liked it. Everyone said you

497
00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.240
have to change it, Please make these these adjustments. Studies, no,

498
00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.920
we don't like you know, on and on and on,

499
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:47.599
and they were gracious as could be. They said, schuurch

500
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:49.960
are sure will do you want no problem? To give

501
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.240
us a little time. Three days later they sent out

502
00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:54.920
version two and they said, okay, we sent version two

503
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:58.559
to radio stations who helped really promote albums in those days.

504
00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:01.680
The radio stations like it. Hope you like version two.

505
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.200
Everyone loved version two. Version two. It was great. Thank

506
00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.200
you so much for being so so accommodating. So what

507
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.279
great changes do they make between version one and version two.

508
00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.440
And the answer, of course, is nothing. They didn't change

509
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.200
a thing. They just they just wrote version two on

510
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.799
the label. They doubled down. They knew what they had,

511
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.359
and they did send it to radio stations. So if

512
00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.279
radio stations hadn't liked it, that's a that's a public fail.

513
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.960
That would have been the end of that. And they

514
00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:29.720
knew what they had, and in the face of everyone

515
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.920
telling them not to, they just did nothing. And either

516
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.279
there are people unless they're listening to this podcast today

517
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:38.039
or reading the book in all that we don't we

518
00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:40.920
don't even know to this day. That song one the

519
00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.039
Grammy for Best Song of the Year, and it won

520
00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.920
the Academy Award for Best Song of the Year because

521
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:48.839
they didn't let go. So is there a time you

522
00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.160
should let go? Probably? But you know, imagine if they

523
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:53.440
had it.

524
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.319
Yeah, yeah, no, that is such a great story as well.

525
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.440
There's a lot here about kind of that creative instinct,

526
00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:06.000
isn't it. It's like trusting yourself, backing yourself when you

527
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:07.559
know you're onto something that is good.

528
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.039
I mean yeah, but there are so many people who

529
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.759
are onto something good. I mean, you can tell you know,

530
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.039
we we we come up with people who say they

531
00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.079
want to act or say they want to say they

532
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:22.000
want to do things, and sometimes you can tell they

533
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.440
really do, and and then you just want to encourage

534
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.839
them and help them because it is their instinct and

535
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.240
what they want to do that it needs to come

536
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.079
out for them. They're just not listening to it, and

537
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.559
sometimes you've pushed it down so much it's just an echo.

538
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:40.519
But if you have a creative spirit or you want

539
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.759
to be more creative, you can cultivate it and it's there.

540
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.599
So yeah, it is about trusting that instinct. It is

541
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:47.079
about that. I mean, there are there are stop gap

542
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.880
measures you can do. You know, you can look, does

543
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.480
it makes sense and and so forth. You know, if

544
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.200
you say I want to fly to the moon tomorrow

545
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.279
without a without a rocketship, that's probably a little tough,

546
00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.200
but in general, no, Yeah, it's it's your instinct. Think

547
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:04.279
that I believe has that great creative ideas. Think of

548
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.519
the people over time, think about everyone who mean, you know,

549
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.759
from from from Steve Jobs to Da Vinci. You know,

550
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.000
some of that instincts. People don't trust their instincts enough.

551
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:16.480
I don't again, I don't know, that's right.

552
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.079
That's what it is, isn't it. People don't trust their

553
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.240
instincts enough. I think people that, So it comes back

554
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.599
to what we were talking about, fear of rejection and

555
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:27.559
other people's opinions and so distracted by all the noise

556
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:31.160
and get up in their heads instead of really coming

557
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:32.559
back to what they know and they got, which is

558
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:34.519
why the other quote I love from your book, I

559
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.440
think it was be still and no.

560
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.000
Right, that's not for me. That's from my old now

561
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.200
late friend tick not hot. I think that how it

562
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:47.160
was great, you know, but a great zen of Vietnamese

563
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.519
Buddhist monk who really kind of pioneered bringing mindfulness to

564
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.759
the West. And in part of my call anybody, I

565
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.279
read a book of his years ago and I said, hey,

566
00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.240
this is great. I said, what can I do with

567
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.920
this peaceful this month? I know I can use them

568
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.400
as inspiration for Mortal Kombat, which is not piece Puddhas

569
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.079
at all. And so I went he called him up

570
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:10.319
and he was great, and I went to see him

571
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:13.519
and after two hours, I said, I feel like I've

572
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:16.160
been on vacation for a week. What's your secret? He said,

573
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.359
no secret, practice and I said, practice, I can learn

574
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.039
how to feel this way, and we became great friends,

575
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:25.200
and I wanted him making a documentary about his teaching

576
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.759
is called Mindfulness Be Happy Now, which is on Amazon.

577
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.079
And so it just a good indication too that you

578
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.759
should be open to when you do call somebody looking

579
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.240
for one thing. You might not find it, but if

580
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.960
you find somebody else, it's great, take it. And and

581
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.440
his favorite quote of mine, I mean, my favorite quote

582
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.160
of his is exactly that be still in No. The

583
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.880
answer is if you steal yourself deep down, not only

584
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:50.079
are you aware of other things, you can be in

585
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.920
touch with yourself and that's then going to tell you

586
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:53.359
what to do.

587
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.000
So I've been practicing mindfless of meditation for a long time.

588
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.759
I've trained as a mindfulness meditation teacher.

589
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.319
I sometimes go.

590
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:08.440
On these week Actually just was thinking the other day

591
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.880
it's been since before the pandemic since I have been

592
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.279
on a week long retreat. I used to go on

593
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:18.759
these silent meditation retreats for a week or so, and

594
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.079
I tell people all the time, I was really fascinated

595
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.119
to learn that you had that history with tick Na

596
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.559
Hahn as well and had, you know, learn and practice

597
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.799
meditation Because I tell people all the time too like,

598
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.039
if you want to get in touch with what's true

599
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.279
for you, you just have to slow down. You've got to

600
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:38.640
find that stillness. You found that it has been helpful

601
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.119
for you with your you know, the creative work that

602
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:41.839
you do as well.

603
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:46.519
Larry, Yeah, it really really changed. It changed my life.

604
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.240
I mean I still do it and I still practice

605
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.200
that I have someone here and yeah, it completely has

606
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.240
because you know, I tend to be kind of a

607
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.599
high energy, frenetic person. The movie business is crazy, and

608
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.440
we talked about in a good and an or an

609
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.440
organized kind of nuts a way if you let it be.

610
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.519
And yeah, the stillness does do it, and it does comment.

611
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.160
And what it allows me to do other than just

612
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.400
feel better, is it allows me to really sort of

613
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.319
see into the essence of a problem and you know,

614
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:16.559
what are we negotiating, Let's say, negotia, what should be

615
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:18.559
the line in the script? It allows you to stop

616
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.440
and say, well, I think I'm right here, but it's

617
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.519
this is this the really important point? And I think

618
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.559
it allows you to see what's more important. And in

619
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.440
terms of creativity, it allows you to really focus on

620
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.480
the goal I was saying, you know, be right in

621
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.920
the room. I mean I'm sorry, be right on the screen,

622
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.759
not in the room. Who cares about if you know,

623
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.039
wins the argument? It's all about with the audiences. What's

624
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.319
a movie or your product or your podcast is out

625
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.319
in the world. It's not yours anymore. It's the audience.

626
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:47.960
Is that you can't say, well, you know, I really

627
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.519
meant to say this to that guy, but I did,

628
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.279
you did, You're done, You're done. And I think my

629
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.799
mind on this helps you make better decisions that way.

630
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:56.519
The other thing it does, too, is you know, there's

631
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.359
a lot of ego that gets in the way of things.

632
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.359
Oh daar that guy not call me back? Or what

633
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.960
if so and so? You know, I was a few

634
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.079
years ago. I was well annoyed that someone start of

635
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:07.920
knew not well it didn't call me back. And then

636
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.599
I found out the poor guy committed suicide. And then

637
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.079
you realize you never grant, you never know why someone doesn't.

638
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.640
And and I find mindfulness, Oh, I was gonna just

639
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.640
focus on my goal. And if you're not focusing on

640
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.680
your coal, you're probably and I think anxiety is kind

641
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.279
of a lesson that you're not focusing on your goal.

642
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.000
So yeah, I think mindfulness has been a tremendous help.

643
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.720
And I would encourage anyone who wants to pursue a

644
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:36.079
touch of the madness to have some calming practice every day.

645
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.440
I didn't really get into that in the book because

646
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.920
that's not what the book's about. But I think what

647
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.640
you do with mindfulness is great and I think it helped.

648
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.480
I think it just he taken on as another great expression,

649
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.119
go piece of yourself, piece in the world. So he says,

650
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:49.880
you listen to the war in Ukraine, the war in

651
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.799
the Middle East. You can't you feel helpless. He said,

652
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.640
You're not helpless because if you find peace in yourself,

653
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.440
then you'll be a little bit nicer to the coffee barista,

654
00:29:58.480 --> 00:29:59.960
who will be a little bit nicer to do his room.

655
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.960
It will be a little bit nicer to the bicycle messenger.

656
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.400
And if everyone did it, there would be peace on earth.

657
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.640
So you can react when you hear that, just by

658
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.480
when you hear world of that's being crazy, just by

659
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:16.079
being peaceful in yourself into those rounds. So peace in yourself,

660
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:17.559
piece in the world. It's a great mess.

661
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.559
It's another it's another great quote.

662
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.039
I'm really sorry that I never got to see him

663
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.440
or meet him before he passed away. I think he

664
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.039
used to come at their retreats in France, and when

665
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.640
I moved to London, I thought, oh, that's not so

666
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.839
far anymore. But anyway, may he rest in peace, give

667
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:34.480
to the world.

668
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.359
You know, I'm standing in front of the ocean. I

669
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.200
used to say, you know, a wave is something before

670
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.200
it's a wave, and it's a waved something after the

671
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.319
way there is no death, there is no fear, there

672
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.519
is no birth. And he said surely before he died,

673
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.559
if you think I'm not going to be around anymore

674
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:54.640
than you don't know much about it.

675
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.640
Yeah, the Buddhists have got the best approach to just

676
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.160
to lie and everything I find.

677
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.160
They just got it all worked out. They've got it

678
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:04.880
all worked out.

679
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:05.799
Yea.

680
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.880
But that whole the whole concept about just managing yourself

681
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.000
to you knows you said you got somebody hadn't called

682
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.839
you back. And I do the same thing, like I fun.

683
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.680
It's a fun. I'm getting irritated about something and I

684
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.799
can just take that moment to pause and calm myself

685
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.839
before I react. And I just think, if more people

686
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.759
in the world larry, if more people in the world

687
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.400
could just take a beat just take a pause before

688
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.440
they just react. You know, maybe we wouldn't have all

689
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.400
of this, all of the drama and chaos and everything.

690
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.559
I agree, I think we would.

691
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.079
It works, And that to get back to your touch

692
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.960
of madness, Larry, the third step the listeners are wondering.

693
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.400
So the third step is play. So let's talk about that.

694
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.039
So this idea of I mean, I talk about play

695
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:53.920
as well, and the importance of just kind of doing

696
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.480
things that are for fun and silly and not losing

697
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:58.720
that sense of playfulness.

698
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.400
But how does that relate to creativity? These treating things

699
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:01.920
like a game?

700
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.839
So I think you, I think, I mean, you have

701
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:07.960
a great podcast. I listened to on that about just

702
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.920
being fun, and I agree with what you said. The

703
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.519
fun is wildly underrated in today's world. We were ying,

704
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.720
heared of it, we have it. Fun is great And

705
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.119
you know, again you know more about this than iway,

706
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.160
But studies show in a state of playing, a state

707
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.279
of fund, you're more creative, you're open, you're relaxed, you're

708
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.640
more creative, and it does allow you to do the

709
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:31.720
things that not in a state of play, you wouldn't do.

710
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.880
And so when I first got to that first job.

711
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.799
The company had greenlit its first movie that I was

712
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.240
not involved in green lighting, and it was sort of

713
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.440
a what we would call today an ultribal budget Game

714
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.519
of Thrones kind of. And the guy who ran in

715
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.160
the company was a great destructive entrepreneur sit to be that.

716
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:51.640
We new staff. Okay, I want violence, I want SWORDI finding,

717
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.640
I want sorcery, I want sex, I want injurgue, I

718
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.440
want backstabbing. And we went down a list and someone

719
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.119
in the room said, and what about snakes And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

720
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.680
and us that was just a fun battle cry. There

721
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.920
were no snakes and wizards in the movie. We already

722
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.559
had a producer on set in row and we would

723
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.200
end there recall by singing, I remember snakes and wizards,

724
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.240
just a joke. So I get to the movie and

725
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.400
it's going really well, and well, I mean I thought it.

726
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:18.680
You know, it was my first movie with how did

727
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.039
I know? And they kept they told me at one

728
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.680
point they have a surprise for me. They were very

729
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:26.279
excited as the daycame closer. When the Daycne Cloak was there.

730
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.440
After lunch, we went out back and they're all standing

731
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.279
around me and we're looking at the hills of Rome

732
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.839
behind us, and there's nothing. And then I see a

733
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:34.799
little dot and the dot looks like it's dart, and

734
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.440
I see it's a truck. And now they're in a

735
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.440
semicircle behind me, and they the band was playing. A

736
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.119
band was playing, and the truck is getting closer, and

737
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.640
I see it's very brightly colored painted, and I don't

738
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.720
know what the hell was going on. The truck backs up.

739
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.480
The doors burst open, and out rushes a bunch of

740
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.599
women's snake charmers, I mean burmese, pythons and all kinds

741
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.680
of things, and a bunch of people dressed beautifully it's

742
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.680
wizards and they were running around. Everyone applauded, but there

743
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.839
were no snakes and wizards of the movie. It was

744
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.840
a joke. We just forgot to tell the producer it

745
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.840
was a joke. So not in a state of play,

746
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.239
I might have freaked out, what the hell are you doing?

747
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.239
How did you spend this money? This is a budget,

748
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.079
we're wasting time, This is crazy. In a state of play,

749
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:21.639
which I was, because I was so happy to be

750
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.280
in roallmaking movie. You know where they had winded lunch

751
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.079
thinking well, look what they did. It was such a

752
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.119
great effort. I still thought, what do I do I mean?

753
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.360
And so I said, you know what, put them on

754
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.639
in the movie, and we somehow stuck him in the movie.

755
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:42.760
And the movie honestly it is terrible, but the snakes

756
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.199
and wizards looked great, and the movie didn't make a

757
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.719
ton of money. So only in the state of play

758
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.199
would I have done that. And so therefore it's a

759
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.800
hard thing to do because you know, I always bring

760
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.039
my dogs to work, and you know you're in the

761
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.679
middle of something in the dog walks in with it,

762
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.960
you know, the plush football, and he wants to play football,

763
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.079
and you start to say, no, no, I don't have He said, well,

764
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.119
I do have time. I have five minutes football with

765
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.639
this dog. Well, what do you think is gonna happen?

766
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.840
Holly was going to go away because I play football

767
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.960
in my dograph five minutes. But your mind tells you know,

768
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.119
so you can get to practice there or or sometimes

769
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.519
leave work and go get a frozen yogurt or something.

770
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.599
It does make you better. It's caudra intuitive to what

771
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:27.000
we're taught, but it makes you better. And you've got

772
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.440
to play the whole thing like a game. You just

773
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.000
have to play. I think you have to play it

774
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.000
all like a game. You know, if you think about

775
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.679
you know, boxing, for example, and you're the best boxer

776
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.920
in the world and you win every fight, you still

777
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.039
get hit about fifty times in every round if you win.

778
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.280
So you know, if in American baseball, if you if

779
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:53.079
you bat three hundred meetings, three out of ten times

780
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.480
you get a hit, you're a superstar. So you got

781
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:58.840
to take that like a game where goes well, then

782
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.880
I're all going to connect. And that's okay because it's

783
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.719
a game. You got to play it that way. And

784
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.480
it's again, it's it's practice. But it you think you can't.

785
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:13.079
We so underrate fun. I look, I've I during the pandemic,

786
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.119
I doubled down. I developed a lot of movies, and

787
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.880
a lot of my upcoming movies are really kind of

788
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.519
in a center we would call today politically incorrect playful films,

789
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.199
and we'll see. I think it's the right thing to

790
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.159
do because I think the audience is starved for play.

791
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.400
Yeah. I think you're right. I think you're right.

792
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.639
I don't think you've gone too far wrong so far, Larry,

793
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.559
So I trust you.

794
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.400
Thank you, Larry.

795
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.199
I so appreciate your time today this. It has been

796
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.440
such a fun conversation. Is there any last message that

797
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.400
you would leave for listeners listening to this?

798
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.639
Figure out what you really creatively want to do. Take

799
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.320
the most crazy idea you have, the one that everyone's

800
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.679
going to tell your nuts. Do it? You know. I

801
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.800
have come to the point now where if I pitch

802
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.119
something like a movie and people tell me, oh, it's

803
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.440
a great idea, I get a little nervous. But if

804
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.840
they say, oh, you're crazy, that will never work. I

805
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.840
feel this kind of calm enveloping me, like like I'm

806
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.079
missed in the morning walk on the beach, where a

807
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.360
touch of the madness circles around me like a shroud,

808
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.559
and I go, Okay, everyone thinks I'm crazy, I must

809
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.920
be right, and I go, do them get to that

810
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:17.800
point in your language.

811
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.559
I love it. I love it. Thank you so much, Larry.

812
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.840
It's been a pleasure. I really appreciate it. Take care.

813
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:28.880
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814
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.840
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815
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