March 4, 2018

Ageing gracefully

Ageing gracefully
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Season 2 Women's Health And Wellbeing Self-Confidence

Tiff Hall and Cass Dunn discuss the pressure on women to hold onto their youth and the fear many of us have of showing visible signs of ageing. Tiff explains what happens to our bodies as we get older and how we can stay fit and healthy while Cass shares that growing older also has many benefits as we shift our focus away from self-interest and onto how we can contribute to the world. Confronting our mortality is a frightening thought but ultimately prompts us to think about how we are living our lives and what it really means to age well.Connect with Cass:
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Transcript
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A listener production Welcome to Crappy to Happy with Tiff

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and Cass. Last episode we were talking about kill us

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self confidence and how to be more assertive. Today we're

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going to tackle aging gracefully, which is a big one,

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and aging well because we all change.

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Yeah, we all face different challenges at different stages of life.

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I guess, And you know we were talking about this

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and you're in your thirties and noticing changes on in

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my forties and definitely noticing changes. And then there are

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challenges that face people, but actually at both ends of

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the spectrum. So if we're living longer, then how do

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we make sure we're living well? I guess. And I

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suppose for me, when I think about aging, I think

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about first and foremost. I suppose I think about the

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physical changes that I experience, And I know that's a

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big thing for a lot of women, particularly in my

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age group. Yes, and you know this boat society that

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we live in and this pressure to maintain your youth

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and beauty.

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We haven't gone near botox yet, have we? No?

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No, we have not.

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Everybody we had talks about it, but we haven't.

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Every birthday my friend and I say, she's now's the time,

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she's the same age as me, and she says, are

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we're still resisting? Yep, we're still resisting.

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I know, I know, but it's hard casts and I'm

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resisting because a lot of people in my industry are

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working television and media, and lots of trainers and influencers

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on Instagram. It's just it's you do and it's not

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even counted as.

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Do you know what I've knowned it's not it's not abnormal.

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It's not normal at all.

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And I've had makeup artists working on me for work,

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you know, how to shoot or something, saying, oh, what

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are you going to get the bowie? And I'm like, well,

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I'm well, I'm having babies. I'm pregnant, I want to

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have more children. I'm lactating at the moment. I don't

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think now is really the right time to be putting poison.

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In my body.

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But you know, each into their own and I'm not

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saying there never will be a time, but I think.

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That's a really good point, because I mean, you work

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in the media, and so I think in the past,

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I've always considered things like surgery and botox and whatever

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things people do to brighten up their appearance to be

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kind of four though for people in the media or

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people in the movies, whereas it's not now.

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No, it's for everybody everyone. It's very every day my friends.

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You know, she's in her thirties as well, and she's

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told me the other day because she and I have

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the conversation as well, and she said, no, I went

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and did it. I finally went and did it. And

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she said, honestly, in her hairdressing salon, she said, they're

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all twenty five, and they've all got they're doing preventative.

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It's preventative. And it's so young. I see nineteen year

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old girls and you can tell, you can tell, and

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it's just too much. And I have a little brother

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and some of his friends who are reals. Yeah, they're

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just straight out of school. And I just think, I

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don't know, when you're really young. I think good nutrition, training,

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looking after inside out, it shines through, it does, it does.

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And so yeah, this is a conversation that comes up

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a lot in our I suppose in our age group,

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but not clearly, not just my age group. In the

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over forties. I was at the my pilates class last

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week and because I have some a back spasm. I'm

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trying to fix that and my pilarates teacher said, oh,

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are you not understanding me? Are you frowning? And I've

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had that question my whole life. Are you Are you concerned?

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Are you because I have this frown lines? And I said, oh, no,

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that's just my like, that's just my levens, Like I

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just have these really strong frown lines. And she said, Okay,

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it's just botox that shit, like, just go get rid

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of that. But why do I hope to you, why

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is that necessary?

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I like the expression, and I love I love the

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wisdom that we wear on our faces. We do, but

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you know, it is a lot of pressure, and I

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think how long am I going to hold out working

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in the media and you know, not having a fresh

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face when I every season or you know, it's.

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Always something that I do battle with. But I do.

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I do believe that if you look after your nutrition,

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your training, your hair, you look after those things, then

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that shine.

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Yeah, it does shine through.

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And energy is contagious and people will always remember what

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you say and how you make them.

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Feel when you walk into a room.

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I don't think they will necessarily remember if you've got

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one or two wrinkles.

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I don't think so either, hopefully not. I don't think

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so either. And you know, the other thing I've noticed

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when we're talking about kind of in the esthetics department

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of getting older is the changes in your body. The

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thing that you're noticing it now. And you're a lot

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younger than me, but certainly for me and people that

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I know over forty, when you start stacking on weight,

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your metabolism changes them and hor monal issues and suddenly

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you're not in the body that you've always been in

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and you don't feel, yeah, like yourself anymore.

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Well, your metabolism for an average person will slow down

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roughly two percent a decade, So.

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Don't I know what?

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That is huge? And is that all?

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And you know, you're in your twenties, you're eating what

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you want, you might be parting a bit, and then

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you're usually at your metabolic peak, and then you hit

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twenty five and the building of bone process, which burns

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a lot of calories, that sort of stops, and then

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you're already you're all of a sudden noticing that you

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can't have a big weekend and bounce back the next

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week with just a few clean days of eating you

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can't bookend a big weekend with clean days of eating.

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It just still it does you still?

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Yeah, And then when you get into your thirties, this

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fattening cycle starts where you start to lose muscle, and

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your muscle is metabolics, so muscle burns calories, and for

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every kilo of muscle, you burn up to four hundred calories,

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which is like having a free muffin every day.

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Yeah, So that starts to slow down.

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To add insult to injury, during your thirties, you stop

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producing as much human growth hormone, which helps to burn fat.

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Your metaism metabolism keeps slowing. And then in your thirties

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you start to think about kids.

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A lot of us have kids.

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So you have pregnancy, which can go either way.

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You can maybe you have a sick pregnancy and you

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don't have cravings.

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You're fine.

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Maybe you maintain good weight, or maybe you're like me

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and I put on thirty kilos and then it's really

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hard to lose that weight to get back on track.

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And then you may have one kid, then you may

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have your second, and then you may have an injury

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to pelvic floor or something like that. It's harder to exercise,

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it's harder to find time. It's exactly the time issue thirties,

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and also in our thirties, just when the metabolism is

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slowing down, we're also moving into the workforce.

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We're more sedentary.

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In our twenties, we might be out uni, we might

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be you know, a bit more active. But you settle

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into a job, stress piles on, you get tired, and

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then you hit your forties and your hormones tank, so

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your estrogen goes down, your progesterone, your human growth hormone decreases,

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and your metabolism just follows suits. So you know, you

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basically need about one hundred and fifty calories less in

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your forties, which is pretty much just one snack, which

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is fine, or doing something that will burn one hundred

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and fifty calories, like fifteen minutes of skipping or something

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to sort of bring that metabolism back to equal. But

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it is hard, and there's a lot of things that

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you can do, which I'll give you some tips to

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fight that.

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Metabolism response, please, But it definitely.

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Does slow down as we age, as we lose muscle

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and we stop building bone, and it gets harder.

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Two hands in the air. I fully relate to all

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of that. So I'm all for.

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The tips, yeap. And I'm seeing it in myself at

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thirty four.

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And whereas I used to, you know, really enjoy myself

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and pretty much just I'd eat clean and really healthily.

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But if you know, we had a pizza and eye

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or something, I wouldn't bloat even I could just But now, yeah,

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I'm trying to lose this baby.

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Wait, it's really taking his time.

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First, Okay, I think you've done pretty well.

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Yeah, it's taken it time. So your metabolism is one thing.

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But let's have a little.

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Bit of a chat about beauty, of the notion of

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beauty and what.

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We consider to be like the pressure of youth and

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beauty in our society, and this idea that getting older

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means getting less pleasing. We sort of have this notion

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that as you get older, you lose your beauty. I'm

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asked to write a lot of articles, as you know,

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and about topical you know, yeah, topic, magazine subjects, magazines,

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program and one thing that comes up is this notion

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of becoming invisible as you age. Women are concerned about

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and suddenly they feel like nobody notices them. Anymore. So

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that's an interesting one and I actually, to be honest,

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I hadn't even considered that. But women as they get

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older notice that, you know, if they, for example, used

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to turn heads or you feel that sense of confidence

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from how they look, that suddenly that society doesn't recognize

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that anymore. They're sort of on the shelf, which can

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be knock to people's self esteem. But on the other hand,

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I think, well, actually I don't mind being a bit invisible.

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I think that there is sometimes some pressure if you

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peg all of your you know, your self confidence and

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self worth on how you look, and that's clearly a trap.

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Yeah, and that's what it's all about.

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Cats, Like, how much do you invest in how much

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you look versus you know, how.

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Interesting you are as a person, your intelligence.

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Your life experiences and the wisdom you gain. There is

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so much and in fact, there's a lot of upsides

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to aging, and I think we need to probably talk

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about that, yeah as well, because you know, how we

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look is definitely a big issue, particularly for women. We

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know from the society and from the media that the

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society values youth and considers youth to be the hallmark

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of beauty, you know, clear, perfect unlined skin, no gray hairs,

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you know, thin little usually blonde with you see them

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on the TV all the time, and so you know,

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we're very much conditioned to believe that to be true

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and to hold that as our ideal. And I think that,

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you know, that's that's been thankfully, that's being challenged, I think.

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In recently, Yeah, I think so too.

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And you know, just the whole the place of women

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in society and what women contribute to the world is

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all changing. So that's great. But I think that it's

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important to consider the benefits of getting older as well.

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You know, when we're focusing on the downsides and I'm

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feeling a bit frumpy and I'm feeling a bit like

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I'm visible, and you know, there's a lot of upside.

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Yeah.

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So we know, for example, that the rates of depression

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reduce over the age of forty five. I think we

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just tend to reach a point in life where we

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become more comfortable with who we are, We become less

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hooked on other people's opinions. I think that's a good thing.

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You know, you start to care less, which frees you

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up to take more risks. I think that our focus

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changes and as we get older, we start to focus.

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psychological development, I guess, and this is quite an old theory.

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in our twenties and thirties, we're sort of looking at

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partnering up and settling down, and then we're into establishing

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a career, and we hit a point where we start

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becoming really much less self interested and much more interested

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in contribution and the legacy that we want to leave

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and investing in our children and investing in projects that

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will carry on after us. So and there's there's so

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much value in that and so much satisfaction to be

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gained from that. So I think sometimes we need to

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shift our focus away from, you know, the physical issues.

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we haven't even touched on. I'm thinking about my sore

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shoulder and my bad here hips, and you know, you

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can't do the things that you used to. You've confronted

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with you know, probably going to need glasses soon. All

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of these things, these signs that your body's deteriorating, which

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can be confronting, but in many other ways we're really

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just coming into our own psychologically and you know, psycho socially,

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you know, personality wise, we're really hitting our stride at

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this age.

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And the service and concentrating on helping others and adding

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value to others is such a great focus. I find

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that really helps me, especially going through body issues after

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having Arnold and putting on a lot of weight and

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being postpartum and looking so different in my role as

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a fitness trainer and you know, previously using my body

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as a billboard for my business, and then now I'm like,

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what's this billboard saying?

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It really did help me to train your human?

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It says I'm human, it says I've had a child,

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It says that it doesn't diminish my expertise as a trainer,

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And so I focus more on, you know, how I

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help women and how I can you know, really move

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my expertise into postpartum training and modifications and helping people

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who are dealing with injuries.

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help me.

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we can then use in lots of really positive ways

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and there's so much satisfaction to be gained from that.

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I have to be honest, like, I think, now, well,

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I know where I'm at, and I know where i'm

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you know, here in my mid forties. But I also

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know that there are people confronting challenges as they get older.

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to think about, oh, suddenly you start thinking about, well,

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aging parents is one thing, and that's it. You know,

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in our age group, there's a lot of people confronting

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with looking after aging parents. But it confronts you with

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your own mortality and how you want to spend your

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own later years. And I know friends who've got kids leaving,

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you know, leaving home and making their own way in

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the world, and that sort of empty nest syndrome. I'm

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not there yet, but I know that that's coming, and

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so it raises all of these questions of well, how

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do you we're living longer, and we're living for the

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most part healthier, yes, but how are we living well?

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We need to make sure that we're living well into

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our older.

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Years, So let's talk about longevity.

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grandfather who's ninety five, and I'm thinking.

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And he could make it to a hundred, and we

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all want to make it to one hundred. So you

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said to me once we were laughing at botox and

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we were thinking, because I said to you, should we

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do it?

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Should we do it?

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And we both said no, we're not doing it. And

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you said something to me. You said, meditation is better

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than botox. Tip.

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in many ways. And we did a whole you know,

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we did a whole episode on this because I think

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it's so important. But we know now that meditation, mindfulness, meditation,

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and loving kindness. Meditation actually can change your body physiologically.

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It can actually slow the signs of illness and aging

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in your body, and I think there are lots of things.

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you you mentally sharp and focused, and there's lots of

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things we can do to maintain our physical and mental health.

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Meditations one looking after our physical health. You know all

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about that. And as we also said in a previous episode,

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we know that the thing that keeps people living longer

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and happier is the value of their social relationships. Yes,

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so this is where we need to be putting our

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energy and our focus, you know, not on the you know,

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I don't think, not on the wrinkles and the.

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will result in you know, a better shaped body from

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you know, you won't be you won't have excess body fat.

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muscle mass, which is very conducive to the anti agting process,

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you know, but being focused on some things like my

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hips are never going to be as narrow as what

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they were. That's cool, you know, we just have to

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live with some of those Yeah you're a mother now.

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I think the whole reason that we are fearful of

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aging and we don't like those physical signs that we're

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getting older is that we're really confronting our mortality. I mean,

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every every physical indicator that we receive. You know, every

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time I look in the mirror and I see more

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lines or there's a gray hair or something, it's actually

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reminded that I'm getting older and closer to dying and

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that's a frightening concept for a lot of us. I

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think also as we get older, you know, people do

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start to die, you know, people suddenly, you know my

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age group, people start dropping dead with no warning. Actually,

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you know, people just out for a jog, heart attack

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or cancer.

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Cancer. We see it.

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get older. Some of my friends have got children who

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are very sick. But certainly there's more of it, and

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certainly you start to realize that we're not all invincible

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like we thought we was. I have to think, and

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there's the reality of the.

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ED and Io in the process of doing our will, Yes,

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like we had Arnold, and all of a sudden, I thought,

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if something happens to me or to Ed, what happens

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to Arnie? And it was the most confronting thing.

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People avoid it because it is so contracted.

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We were avoiding it for ages, and I thought, we've

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just got to put something in writing, ED, We've got

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to you know, work this out.

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I think. You know, we know that for some people

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it's an uncomfortable topic and it might be uncomfortable to

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listen to. But we have to all at some point

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confront the reality of death. We are so terrified of

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death and dying, and I think that we avoid it,

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we avoid thinking about it. I really love the Buddhist

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approach to death. It's something I aspire to like they

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are not. They are not concerned about death and dying

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at all. I don't know if that's because they believe

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they're going on to and afterlife or or being reincarnated,

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but they they remind them selves daily that this could

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be their last day. And if you think about that,

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if you want to live well, considering that every day

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could be your last is a great way to do that.

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being so present and in the now, and you know,

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really loving hard, yeah.

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And focusing on what's important every day because you know,

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at the end of we're all here for a limited

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number of days. That is the truth of it.

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And it's a sum of everything we've been talking about

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from you know, where do you invest your time, how

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well do you love, the quality of your relationships and

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the wellness of your mental, physical, and emotional.

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What are you giving back, what are you leaving behind legacy?

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It is confronting to think about we're going to take

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a quick break and come back and talk about tools

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and tips to help us all A twelve.

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You're listening to Crap Happy with Tiff and Cass.

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We're talking about aging gracefully, and for some of us

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that's really hard. We all have friends who have a

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birthday and they say, I'm still thirty two.

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Yeah, like you think thirty two for five years?

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And you know what, I have friends like that too,

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And people really especially as you get older. And I

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noticed it more, not so much the fortieth birthday, but

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people coming up to the fiftieth birthday, they really want

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to avoid it. And I think you know that saying

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that growing older is a privilege denied to many is

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so relevant. We have to we should really be grateful

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for every birthday, the fact that we're still here. When

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people are you know, sick and dying and having their

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lives cut short or being struck down by illness, injury,

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you know, all of the terrible things that can happen.

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We really should be grateful and celebrating everything, every birthday,

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every milestone, I.

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Think absolutely absolutely.

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But there are a few things that we can do

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to help us with the aging process physically and mentally.

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So one of the tips I can give you as

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a trainer about how to keep your body young is

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to really work on not losing that lean muscle mass.

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So you have to keep that lean muscle mass to

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keep the metabolism going and to keep the body young

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and those hormones plentiful.

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And one way to do that.

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Is to invest in some strength training, which is why

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I have a lot of tone and strength training sessions

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onto IFESO. And it's really important because it does build

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that lean muscle and it keeps you young. And a

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lot of people think, oh, as I'm aging, it's not

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as comfortable to do running or high intensity exercise and

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you can injure more easily. So going turning two, strength training,

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it's really great. It keeps your weight down, it keeps

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you full of energy, and it's going to build that

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lean muscle which is going to protect your bone density

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as well.

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I was going to say that I've heard that too.

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Strength training is great for bone density, isn't it, And

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protecting against things like osteoporosis, yeap, things.

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Like that, and it keeps your blood pressure down and

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it's just going to give you overall health. Now, a

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lot of people come to me and they say, okay,

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so I want to start training and I want to

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lose weight or I want to look different, and I

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say no, no, no, no, that is not our goal.

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The goal is longevity. You want to prevent injury and

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you want to live longer. And when I was a

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trainer on the Biggest Loser and I had some contestants

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who were battling morbid obese. They were morbidly obese, and they,

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you know, my biggest contestant nearly two hundred kilos, They said,

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I want to lose weight because it would mean I

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would look better, and you know, it was mostly focused

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on looks, and I'd say, no, this is not it.

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We want to make sure that you stay as young

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and stay as fit and live as long as you can.

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That's important thing. So we would we will do a biotest.

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So you have your birthage. I'm thirty three turning thirty

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four in July, but my bioage is a lot younger,

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so to test a bioage and you can go to

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the bioage website and do it.

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There are bio age clinics around the world.

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There are a lot in Melbourne, Sydney, around Australia as well,

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or some pts specialize in it too, so you can

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go and get your bioage done. And what it is

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is it tests how young your body is. So you've

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got a metabolic test like your blood pressure and your

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barm in your body composition. You've got VO two max,

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which is the ability for how your body uses oxygen

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during exercise, and you can do that through a bit

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of a beat test or a shuttle run. You've got

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mobility flexibility tests, lung function tests just blowing into a

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device a peak flow meter, and you've got strength assessments

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such as doing push ups and a core assessment which

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is just a plank hold.

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Then you have behavioral tests which are really interesting. So

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for example, do you smoke? Smoking takes ten years off

473
00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:49.599
your bioage straight away. Wow, Nutrition, stress, alcohol, and all

474
00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:51.640
of this is put to a summary of how old

475
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:51.920
you are.

476
00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:53.319
So my tech contestants on The.

477
00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:58.039
Biggest Loser, they'd start on the show sometimes twenty to

478
00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.799
twenty five years older than their chronic logical age. So

479
00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.400
if they were in their twenties, they were sometimes older

480
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.839
than their parents and my job in my head. I

481
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.880
know it was a competitive weight loss show, but my

482
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.799
job was to get them walking out of Biggest Loser

483
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.680
off the show younger than their biological age. And I

484
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.440
often did that, so they were like three four years

485
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.559
younger than their chronological birth age. And I think that's

486
00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:24.680
a really positive goal. To have your biotest tested, see

487
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:27.119
where you're at, see how old your body is, and

488
00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.960
to work with you know, mate, you don't even need

489
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.400
a pete, but to work on your physical fitness, your strength, mobility,

490
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.599
all the pillars of fitness, and to look at your

491
00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.720
lifestyle choices and things like nutrition do play a huge part.

492
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:41.839
So we know that sugar ages you.

493
00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.160
We've talked about that in episode six of Crappy to

494
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.440
Happy in season one. Little things like being active as

495
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.880
much as you can, eating fresh produce, whole foods, drinking

496
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:56.759
lots of water it's important, and limiting alcohol and caffeine.

497
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:58.279
These are all things we know.

498
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.759
That's yeah, and that's a really good because I've had

499
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.319
people friends of mine have popped up on Facebook, for example,

500
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:05.960
and said, oh gosh, I'm really noticing the lines of

501
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.759
my face. What can I do? Who's condreation who's got

502
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:10.799
the miracle cream that's going to take these lines off

503
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:12.960
my face? And even I'm not a trainer, I'm not

504
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:17.000
a nutritionist, but I even I know that that how

505
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.440
your skin looks on the outside comes from how you

506
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:20.720
treat your body on the inside, of.

507
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:25.279
Your kidneys, all of that your gut health, So concentrating

508
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:29.119
on good gut health with a quality probiotic, you know,

509
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.079
and limiting stresses on your guts such as alcohol and caffeine,

510
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.160
and looking after your adrenal glands, all these things. It's

511
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.799
all hormonal. At the end of the day. Aging is hormonal.

512
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.599
So if you exercise, that affects your hormones. Your body

513
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:46.079
composition affects your hormones, more fat, leslie muscle, and then

514
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.160
just making sure that you're getting those nutrients in.

515
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.039
And I think the point is that if you're going

516
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.559
to be here, you want to be if you're going

517
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:58.119
to be alive on this planet, you want to be enjoying.

518
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:00.359
So you don't want to be injured, you don't want

519
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:02.319
to be sick. You want to look after immune system.

520
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:03.039
That's depressing.

521
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.359
I know myself, even if I have a I've had

522
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.880
you know, disc degeneration, bulging discs in my back. That

523
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.440
sort of pain, that debilitating pain where you can't get

524
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:14.200
out and do the things that you normally do. It

525
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.200
becomes really depressing and I can and the weight thing

526
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.359
and the health thing, well, that's obviously something that really

527
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.720
impacts mobility and therefore limits how well you can interact

528
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:25.279
with the world.

529
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.839
But if you are experiencing limitations physically, for example, you know,

530
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.319
an injury, there are things that you can do.

531
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.720
Go see an expert.

532
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.720
You don't have to pay for a PT every week,

533
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:39.359
but find a good PT, get them to write your program,

534
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.440
make suggestions. You know, there's always something that you can

535
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.480
do to keep moving and keep that oxygen pumping and

536
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:46.599
to look after your body.

537
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.799
Yeah, exercise is actually something that we know keeps your

538
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.759
keeps you happy as well so and also keeps you young.

539
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.079
It affects your brain just as much as your body.

540
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:58.160
I was reading, I was thinking of my father in law.

541
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.599
So he's a great example of somebody who's aging very well.

542
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.160
He's in his eighties now. He has continued to work

543
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:08.480
as a consultant in aircraft safety, aviation safety, goes all

544
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.720
over the world, and he's played golf twice a week

545
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.079
and golf is apparently you walk six or seven kilometers

546
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.200
on the golf course. So you know, things like that,

547
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.119
finding something you enjoy that keep you active. It's social

548
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.279
and yeah, keeps you young, keeps you physically young.

549
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.000
And that I think about my grandfather, Blessed Ken ninety

550
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.079
five and he has.

551
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:30.599
A few non negotiable rules.

552
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.359
Lemon water, first thing up, first thing in the mornings

553
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:35.960
is lemon water with Manuka honey.

554
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:36.720
Very healthy.

555
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.160
He doesn't eat better limits sugar really yeah, never eats better.

556
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.440
He thinks it's evil and it is bad for your health.

557
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.319
He never has nope.

558
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:51.279
And he really believes in moderation and portions, really good

559
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.640
control there and he does what he can. So still

560
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.720
to this day, he goes to a shopping center because

561
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:00.759
he enjoys seeing people. And he'll for a coffee, but

562
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.200
his exercise is walking around the shopping center for as

563
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.200
long as he can to a little shop, say hard

564
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.319
to some people. Sometimes we'll go with him and that's

565
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.440
his exercise and he really enjoys that. And when it's

566
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.720
social and he's out and about and he's up with it,

567
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.559
he'll go into the Apple store and go wow, like

568
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.759
what is all this stuff, but you know, he's recently

569
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.160
got on an iPad and he's got an iPhone, and

570
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.119
you know, he's loving life. So you know, I think

571
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.640
it's so important to find what you can do and

572
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.839
not to get depressed over injuries or being held back

573
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.640
by them at all. So there's some of the physical

574
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.000
things you can do to make sure your body age

575
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.720
as well, but Cas, what are some of the psychological

576
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.880
things you can do to really deal with aging gracefully?

577
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.319
I think, you know, based on all the things that

578
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.160
we've talked about, it's important to try to avoid that

579
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:54.279
compulsion to stay young hard. It is hard, but we

580
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:58.680
you know, to recognize when we're buying into that that

581
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:03.720
myth that beauty that the only standard of beauty acceptable

582
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.799
is to be, you know, perfectly smooth skinned. You know

583
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.319
that you've got to be twenty five and tight and

584
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.640
taut and fit, that there are other I don't know,

585
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.559
just I suppose to just see if we can resist,

586
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.559
like you and I have for the botos, to resist

587
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:24.839
that compulsion to run away from getting older, to fear

588
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.680
getting older, and to embrace it.

589
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:31.079
Actually and to be very critical of what you see

590
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.680
and the images that you're presented with because we all know,

591
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.440
and I can tell you working in the media, that

592
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.720
no image ever goes out without being touched or smoothed.

593
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.319
It can't.

594
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:46.440
A raw image can't be in promotional materials. So it

595
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.640
is interesting to know that and to be aware of it.

596
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:50.960
But what you see is not real.

597
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.440
I love that there was. I saw something recently a

598
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.880
particular pharmacy pharmaceutical company I don't remember now, but they

599
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.880
have made a policy decision that they will not touch

600
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.079
any of their advertising photos anymore. And I think we'll

601
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.200
see more and more of that because needs to be

602
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.759
this bit of a pushback against those airbrushed and photoshopped

603
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.880
images in the media. The thing is, though, tiff like,

604
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.160
we know that the images, I mean, we still buy

605
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.319
into it. We know the images are touched and airbrush,

606
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:21.119
but the people that we see in real life are touched,

607
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.200
you know, when we talk about botox and laser treatments

608
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.440
and all these various things that I mean, I don't know,

609
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.599
facelifts and things that people do. You know, we see

610
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:37.680
people up close and they're not really their natural selves.

611
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.799
So it is hard to avoid that. But I think

612
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.759
we just have to focus our attention on all of

613
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.720
the positive aspects of getting older, and you know, all

614
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:52.359
of those really great benefits like I said before about

615
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.759
being more comfortable in your skin, you know, being we

616
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.119
often get to a point where we are less concerned

617
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:01.119
about what people think about us, less about what you know,

618
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.119
what other people say about us. We're very comfortable and happier,

619
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.359
and then thinking about, well, as we get older, how

620
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.160
do we make the best of that? And so oftentimes

621
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.279
you know, that is about investing your time and energy

622
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.359
and the things that are important as you get older,

623
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.839
losing you know, as I said before, like stepping away

624
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.400
from all of that self interest and the status and

625
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.400
the success and the achievement and the money, which is

626
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.079
very much a focus when we're younger, Yes, and moving

627
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.960
more into that. We call it generativity. You know, what

628
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:35.039
are we leaving behind and what's most important? And we

629
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.799
know that what keeps us happy and healthy into our

630
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.400
older years is the quality of our relationships. So investing

631
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:46.000
in relationships, investing in interests. And you know, people think

632
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:48.359
that they can't wait to retire, I can't wait to

633
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.359
finish work and retire, and I hate my job and

634
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.119
I never want to work again. And then they retire

635
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.119
and they're completely bored and don't know what to do

636
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.880
with themselves, and they get depressed because they actually have

637
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.279
spent so much time working that they haven't cultivated any

638
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.640
interests outside of that. So what would you like to do?

639
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.720
You know, maybe do you want to take up photography?

640
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.680
If you've got visions of you know, tending to your

641
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.000
garden and having a perfect rose garden in your older years.

642
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.480
I know that's very cliche. We'll start gardening now, you know,

643
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.680
start doing those things now, and learning skills and finding

644
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:19.960
the things that you love to do and that you

645
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.880
enjoyed doing and invest in those things. Yes, it keeps

646
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:30.440
you engaged, and it keeps you Its create social connections, yep,

647
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.680
keeps you mentally, physically healthy and young and inspired. So

648
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:35.319
and if you don't know where to start, there are

649
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.319
plenty of short courses, tape courses. There are so many

650
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:39.680
opportunities out there.

651
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.160
And be online now, I know a lot of people are.

652
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.480
They're online, They're able to learn at home. You don't

653
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.599
have to be out of the house. It's very easy.

654
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.880
I think that whole concept of you know, giving back,

655
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.480
finding opportunities to give back to the community. We often

656
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.880
become more interested in how it can be of service

657
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.480
as we get older. I go and volunteer for the

658
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.839
Orange Sky, the homeless laundry service. There's plenty of really

659
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:05.559
worthy causes.

660
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.079
I do something really that I love doing.

661
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.359
I go into schools and teach self defense course right

662
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.519
for free, and also a bit of anti bullings or

663
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:14.759
self confidence or stuff.

664
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.839
And also for schools.

665
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.079
That cannot afford to have a sports program, I'll go

666
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.440
in and I'll teach some sport, you know, and.

667
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.319
Do a little class. Martial arts is so much fun.

668
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.440
Yeah, there's lots and lots of things you can do.

669
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.559
You can hop online and you can google up, you know,

670
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.359
volunteer opportunities if that's something that you're interested in. I

671
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.200
know a lot of my friends at the moment doing

672
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.799
similar things. Another friend of mine, she was working for

673
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.680
a charity, as in she was volunteering for a meal

674
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.119
service for homeless, and she found that she was constantly

675
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.759
collecting things. That person needed new shoes and that person

676
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.440
needed a new jacket, and so she'd put a call

677
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.319
out on Facebook and ask if anybody had anything they

678
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.079
could don out. And she's now started her own whole

679
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:01.200
separate charity wow, to provide clothing and and items that

680
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.519
these people need. So there's you know, people are really

681
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:09.359
inspired by that kind of giving service and contribution to

682
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.359
a community. And we know, I mean the research shows

683
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.319
that that actually is fundamental to happiness, that sense of

684
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.279
service and contribution and having a sense of purpose. I think,

685
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.240
just touching back on the relationship thing, I think oftentimes

686
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.759
when we have kids, especially the quality of our marriage

687
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.519
sometimes takes second place to focusing on parenting and kids.

688
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.920
So if we want to live along, we know that

689
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.599
the quality of our relationships is also really important to

690
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.640
getting older, So making sure that we're spending time nurturing

691
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:41.079
our closest relationship because it gets neglected a lot of

692
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.960
the time. So I think as we get older, the

693
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.240
more that we are focusing our energy on these things,

694
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.720
the more that we're likely to age well and age

695
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.559
you know, with a sense of deep satisfaction and purpose

696
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.400
and lucky that we've lived a good life. And I

697
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.000
think at the end of the day, that's what we're

698
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.240
all about. Everybody wants to have a life well lived. Yes,

699
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.079
So it's about really giving some thought to well, what

700
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.680
are what are the things that will make me feel

701
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:07.880
at the end of the day, at the end of

702
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.440
my days, that I've lived a really good life.

703
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.199
Something we were talking about in the first half was

704
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.639
accepting our own mortality.

705
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.800
It's not comfy to talk about it.

706
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.280
It's not a comfortable topic at all, and you know,

707
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.760
I think that it's really important to confront that and

708
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.400
to become more comfortable with that. We avoid discomfort. We

709
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.760
know that and if there's any there's nothing really more

710
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.159
uncomfortable than the idea that we're going to die for

711
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.360
many people, and I think that often translates to even

712
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.920
avoiding people, you know, who have who are sick, or

713
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.800
not really wanting to have those difficult conversations with people.

714
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And oftentimes it actually it takes a scare. I know

715
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in my own life if somebody will people have diagnosis

716
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.480
of cancer, for example, and oftentimes they come out of

717
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.719
that and they survive, but it's such a huge shock,

718
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.440
and that's that's the point where they realize, you know,

719
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I'm really I'm actually going to die. And it shouldn't

720
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I don't think it should have to come to that.

721
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As I said, you know, the Buddhists have really got

722
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that whole They're very comfortable with death. And dying. You know,

723
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.079
I'm just thinking now that a couple of years ago

724
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I used to go to the Happiness and Its Causes Conference,

725
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which is in Sydney, Philly. Actually I don't think it's

726
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.599
always in Sydney, but anyway, it's every year. It's a

727
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.239
big conference where people come together and talk about happiness

728
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.239
and its causes. And Ben Lee, who many people know

729
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.159
as a singer, famous musician, he came along and he

730
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.119
talked about his experience of becoming a death midwife Wow,

731
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.159
where he sat with people who were dying, and he

732
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:42.000
talks about it as being the most rewarding experience of

733
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.320
his life to actually sit with people as they transitioned

734
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.079
to the other side. And similarly, Bronnie Ware is the

735
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:55.280
nurse who worked in palliative care and she sat down

736
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.920
and wrote a book about the Nine Regrets of the

737
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.000
Dying and that book went on to be a huge,

738
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.079
huge bestseller because it, you know, again, it just really

739
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.840
brings home how are we living our lives and the

740
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.400
fact is that we're all going to die. And she

741
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.320
again she described that as the most rewarding work that

742
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.920
she had ever done, sitting with people during their last

743
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.639
days and talking to them about how they live their

744
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.960
life and how they were feeling and what they were

745
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.639
thinking as they were preparing to die. So, I don't know.

746
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:25.880
I just think that it's important to think to keep

747
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.239
that in mind, and to not be afraid to have

748
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.719
those conversations and to not avoid the topic, not avoid

749
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.000
the fact that we're all here for a short time.

750
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.199
Yeah, and to live to the utmost, live to the fullest,

751
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.880
to live to the fullest, and to love hard and

752
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:45.280
forget the botox saviianth present and Yeah, Well, there's a

753
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.760
lot to think about their casts and we hope that

754
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.079
helps you in talking about beauty and aging gracefully.

755
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.599
In the next episode, we're going to talk about hmm,

756
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.440
I don't know what I want to be when I

757
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.039
grow up.

758
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.400
It's very hard to find that passion, and some of

759
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.960
us have more than one passion. So thanks for tuning

760
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in and we'll speak to you next time.

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Rappy to Happy is presented by Cast dun produced by

762
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.199
Davis Vilenski, Audio production by Darcy Thompson.

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