July 31, 2023

Bouncing forward in business, body and motherhood with Tiff Hall

Bouncing forward in business, body and motherhood with Tiff Hall
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Season 9 Mindset Women's Health And Wellbeing Positive Psychology

It's a full circle moment on Crappy to Happy as Tiff Hall returns to join Cass behind the mic. This time, not as a cohost but as guest, to reflect on the last few years of challenges: including bouncing forward post babies, business diversification and a changing relationship to her body.If you've not met Tiff before she's one of Australia's most trusted health and fitness experts. She's a personal trainer, author, journalist and best known for her television appearances on Gladiators, and The Biggest Loser Australia.
In this conversation you can expect to hear:

  • the regrets Tiff has from her days of her 'smash and bash' approach to fitness
  • the pressure she felt to 'bounce back' to her pre-baby body
  • her struggles of being a female founder in a predominately male dominated industry
  • how she has become more realistic and gentle with her expectations of herself in motherhood


Check out Tiff's fabulous online fitness and wellness program: TXO. You can find it here. Use the code TANYA99 to get full access to TXO for just $99 for a full year access. That's where you will also find her fabulous supplements and active wear. Check out on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. And you can listen to her new podcast, Bounce Forward, in all the usual places.
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Transcript
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A listener production. This is Crappita Happy, and I am

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your host, Cas S. Dunn. I'm a clinical and coaching

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psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher and of course author of

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the Crappita Happy books. In this show, I bring you

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conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent people who are experts in

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their field and who have something of value to share

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that will help you feel less crappy and more happy.

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Longtime listeners of this show know that it all started

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as a partnership between me and my very good friend, colleague,

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fitness queen, martial arts legend entrepreneur Tiffany Hall. Tiff, of course,

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is the founder of her own fitness brand TXO, and

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Tiff and I have worked together on that program since

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it started back in two thousand and sixteen, so a

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very long time. And of course many people were sad

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when Tif left the show, and so she has come

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back for a guest appearance and I thought it was

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high time that we caught up with Tiff again to

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see what she is up to these days. Now, I

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have to apologize. During my conversation with Tiff, she and

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I both recalled that the last time we were in

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a studio together was when she had just had Arnold.

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Now afterwards we realized that actually we have caught up

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one other time after that, we caught up after she

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left the show and she returned for a special guest appearance.

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So much has happened over the last few years. It

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is all a blur. Now Tiff has a second baby,

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she has gone through changes in her business, she has

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gone through significant injuries and illnesses. She keeps on transforming

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and evolving. Nothing keeps her down. Of course, TIFF's motto

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is that we do not bounce back, we bounce forward,

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and that is what she has done. She has now

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launched a podcast by the same name, also called Bounce Forward.

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Oh and stay listening until the end of the episode

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to hear about a really great deal that Tiff is

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offering listeners to join her TXO Life program. You will

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not want to miss that. I know you're going to

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love this conversation with one of our favorites, Tiff Hall.

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Tiffany Hall, Welcome back to the Crappy to Happy Podcast.

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It's been too long, Cass. I'm so excited to be

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here because we started out Crappy to Happy co hosts

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and then I went away, had a baby, and you

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continued on and you've looked after our little baby, Crappy

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to Happy so beautifully, and it's just blossomed, hasn't it.

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It has.

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It's gone from strength to strength. And then I remember

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we had such a great response when we got you

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back as a guest, and that was just after you'd

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had Arnold, Yes, and now just had Vader.

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It's like six years crazy.

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And we were we were in a studio together in

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Melbourne last time we recorded an interview together. And since

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then we've been through COVID, and I've moved overseas, and

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You've had a baby. A whole lot has happened. So

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I thought I would just love to get you back

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on and have a check in, have a catch up

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for all of the listeners, especially the ones who've been

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there from the beginning with you and I. Oh and

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the Crappy to Happy journey.

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I love it.

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So Tiff, let's just start with in that time since

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you and I last chatted. I mean, I remember we

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were in Melbourne together. You had had Arnold, who was

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a tiny baby, and you had broken your ankle. I

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remember you were hobbling around on crutches. And as Ed

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was having to help out with Arnold because you were

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kind of incapacitated. Uh huh with this ankle injury. Now,

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since then, you've had wrist reconstruction, You've survived, you know,

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chronic fatigue. I don't even know if we still call

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it chronic fatigue? Do we am me?

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And pots?

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Like you had a mysterious illness that really took you

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out for a long time. You've had another baby.

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I guess through all of that, Like, as a founder

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of a fitness company, how did that all affect you psychologically?

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I mean obviously you had health challenges, but mentally emotionally, like,

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what how was that for you?

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It was the worst when I had Arnold, I broke

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my ankle and I couldn't wait there and I couldn't

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carry him. He was six months, I think, really little,

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and yes, so I was on crutches and couldn't carry

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the baby. And just recently Vader was eleven months and

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I had a knee arthroscope and I couldn't carry her.

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I actually had to have my pa move into my

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house and live with me to get her up and

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down the stairs for me and just carry the baby

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around for me, what a PA because I couldn't manage.

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And I just think that when I was younger, in

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my twenties, a fitness industry was all about smash and

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bash get in their pain is gain, you know, you

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want to really earn your calories, you you know, And

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it was tough and I was a gladiator and there

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was a lot on my body. And now I am

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paying for those days with my body breaking. Really, I've

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had a lot of injuries from two risk reconstructions, no

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cartilage in my knees, nearthroscope, broken ankle, continuous things with

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my nervous system. And it's just a testament to that

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kind of training doesn't work. And the stuff that I'm

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doing now, which is holistic through my Tixo and Tixo

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life is the right way. Twenty minutes a day, not

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smashing yourself so you've got longevity, is so much better.

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I hit of endorphins, you maintain your nice way, you know,

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you feel like you feel great about yourself. I just

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I just regret those days, and psychologically, injuries have become

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a part of my life. I'm a retired athlete, and

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any athlete you know has their seasons. I'm nearly forty.

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Nobody is smashing themselves as an athlete. At forty. They

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all retire and they go into the next season of

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their life. And that's where I see myself now. And

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I did have to retire from you know, smashing myself

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in fitness videos a couple of years ago basically, and

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I had to step back bring other trainers in. To

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do that, I bought my business out from my business

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partners at the time. I became CEO and I became

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a businesswoman, and that was the next season of my life,

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and I just had to really I actually got a

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psychologist cast to deal with the injuries because I didn't

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have the strategies and I had to learn. And it

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really did help to think of myself as an athlete

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and that I had been through it all, had had

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amazing success, and then it was time to step back

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and heal and go into another phase, which was exciting

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to think, oh what can I do and to become

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more creative, But at the time, yeah, it is super

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hard and it's very hard to get motivated because you

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think to yourself, here we go again, here's another injury.

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I'm looking at a three to six month recovery, and

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it was devastating because it impacts my family. I have

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two young children, six and one, and I have a

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husband who's incredibly busy with four jobs, and you know,

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he becomes a career and that impacts our relationship as well.

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So my mind now is all about, please no more injuries.

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I'm fixing the things that need to be fixed, but

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I don't want any accidents. So I'm very careful with

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my train and I am back filming videos, but nowhere

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near the amount that I used to do, which would

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be twenty thirty forty in a day, I would do

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ten videos. Now I'll take a day recovery, I'll do

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some more videos the next day. And I get it.

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I get it.

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When I was younger, it was all about being cost

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effective and we only had the cameras and the crew

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for one day. We could only afford it for one day,

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so we had to get entire fitness programs in the

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one day. And crazy, I mean, it was so bad

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to my nervous system. It actually burnt out my nervous

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system and it turned off my battery. But now I say,

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what costs you put on your health, and so I

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will pay for the cameras for three days, just so

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I can have recovery days in between. And that's you know,

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I'll go without other things in my business just so

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that I can look after myself and my other trainers,

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because I don't want that happening to them either.

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Sounds like it was such a huge, which mental shift,

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and because you are not just the owner of this

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fitness brand, like you're the face. You're the face and

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body of the fitness brand. And so that shift in

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your own self concept not just to I can't just

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do this to myself physically, but to shift you mentally

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into like, as you said that, well now I'm no

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longer a like working athlete. I'm a re tired athlete.

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I'm a business owner and somebody else can take on

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that role.

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So important.

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I think that's such an important message and obviously great

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for you mentally.

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It took a long time too, because it was a

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shift in my identity because I was always fittif and

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super six pack and muscles on muscles, and that was me.

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And then I started to look different because I was

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having all these injuries and I couldn't sometimes I couldn't

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maintain my weight. Sometimes I couldn't do cardios. Sometimes I

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was completely couldn't do anything like even lift a kettle

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to boil some water with my wrist. And I found

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it very difficult to manage my weight without exercise and

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having to then be more mindful of my food intake

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because I used to really just not eat whatever I

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wanted but not really worry about it because I was

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so so active, you know, it just had to pull

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in other things that I could control and forget about

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the things that I couldn't. So it was just different.

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And as somebody who runs a wellness program and who

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has a whole community of women who are interested in

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health and fitness and who also look to you for

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inspiration and aspiration, how much more empathy do you now

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have for people who might be struggling to get started

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because you had always been fit, And I think when

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you've always been fit and you don't really know what

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it's like to not be fit, it can be really

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hard to put yourself in somebody's shoes and just you know,

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there's all these just get up and get out and

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do it, and put your shoes on and just do it,

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you know, But do you do you have a different

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kind of approach and a different kind of empathy. I guess,

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for yes, for people who might be struggling.

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Now I'm a better trainer for all of it. And

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that's what's kept me going, Cass, that thought that, you know,

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whenever I had an injury or a setback, I thought,

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this is a good thing, even when I put on

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and I don't know why it happens to me. I

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put so much weight in pregnancy, thirty forty kilos with Vader,

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and I just thought, this is going to make me

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a better trainer, because I'm huffing to get up the stairs.

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My joints are aching from carrying. I was ninety kilos

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by the end of it, and my joints were aching

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and carrying the weight, and I couldn't get in and

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out of the car very fast, and that would frustrate me,

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and just little day to day things. Carrying that extra

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weight was so frustrating. After I had Vader, still having

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the weight on it was so incapacitating. So I found

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that I just was so much better at understanding how

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difficult it is to do a push up when you're

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carrying a bit of extra weight. I wouldn't even suggest

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trying start with another exercise. And you know, and I

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have regrets because I was on the Biggest Loser and

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I was young, and I was so fit, and I

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was in my twenties, and I used to prescribe exercise

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that I wouldn't prescribe now, you know, having been through

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all that I've been through, I got the results in

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the end. But I just feel I've learned so much

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and I'm so much better at modifications and training people

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and understanding where they're at and building better programs.

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I just I think I've come a long way. So

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they're blessings. And my dad always says that your injuries

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are your biggest teachers. And I carry that with me

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because anyone who has done taekwondo had a background in

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a full, full contact sport will understand injuries like I do.

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You have to take them as being teachers. Otherwise you

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just you don't survive mentally, it's too hard.

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I carry a knee injury to this day from a

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flying side kick I did. My knee just jammed up

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when I kicked the bag and I was like fifteen,

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and to this day, that knee, yes, still is weak

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at times. So when you say you did it for

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years and years and years, I mean I stopped.

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It's bad for your body. But you have to find

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other ways of doing things. And I did carry a

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lot of grief for a long time because my surgeon

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said no more running, no more impact sports, no more

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boxing because of my wrists. I have things that I

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can't do lower body and things I can't do upper body,

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and these are my big loves martial arts, boxing, running,

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high impact hit and I was thinking, well, what can

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I do? What's sit on my ass and ride a bike.

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You know that's not me. You know, I don't like

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cycling and all of this kind of thing. But I've

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learned to love the bike, and I've learned to love

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weights and get into weight training and try to adapt.

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where you can change and adapt. Whereas for a long

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time I was in denial and I just wasn't having.

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It in a space that is very saturated in the

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fitness market. And I guess with the even you know,

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with the move towards body positivity and like go of

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dots and you don't need to follow a plan. All

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that sort of messaging that's out there. How important has

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it been for you to diversify, like I've seen you

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put out an active wear range, You've put out supplements, Like,

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is there what's the strategy behind that? For the entrepreneurial

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listeners in our audience?

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Well, exactly what you said. It's a saturated space. You're

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fighting for attention and you're paying for attention, and it's

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very expensive to advertise the cost per acquisition for customers.

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It's very expensive, and you know, it's it's just getting

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worse and worse. But you know, I'm very proud that

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I can hold my stance with my memberships and you know,

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it's very healthy and it's going really, really well. But

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I looked to the future and I just thought, well,

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plus memberships and subscriptions, I think I'd love to try

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active wear, which I'm obsessed with and I live in,

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and I'd love to try supplements because I can never

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find the perfect supplement. And I didn't do many. I

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just did too because I really do believe that you

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shouldn't have to take a thousand different supplements. You just

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need to with everything you need in it. I'm looking

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to do other things as well, and I just wanted

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to test that space and it was very successful, especially

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having built an audience already. I thought, oh, there's an

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audience who are listening to me and who enjoy what

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I do, and I wanted to see if I could

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give them other cool stuff and it worked. It was

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very successful. So I don't know, I'm not as passionate

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about the clothes and the supple and says I am

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about the fitness, like I light up when I get

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to talk about push ups and squats, but I still

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love it and it's been really good for the business

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to have that extra, you know, revenue as well. I

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think anyone looking to start in the health and fitness space,

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I think that you really do have to diversify and

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start to think what else can I do and be

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specific as well, you know, not that you do everything everything.

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I'm very specific. I'm all about women and I stick

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in my lane there. So I think that's something good

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to remember and really hone in on, Yeah, who are

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you for? What value are you giving? Yeah?

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Yeah, great message? How much creative input do you have

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into the clothing line because I love it. I ask

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you constantly when are you shipping overseas? When to the UK?

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Because I love your active ways?

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Oh thank you? Not a lot of yeah, obviously. I

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have a team of professional designers because I can't design

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like I'm not a professional designer. They'll ask me like,

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what colors are you vibing on? I send inspo of

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things that I'm loving and they create it from that.

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It might be like a toggle or a bigger zipper

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or something like that that I'm loving at the moment,

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and they'll work it into you know, the clothing. I

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had a green moment where I loved green, and then

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the whole range was bright green, like high viz green.

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And it's just been so fun. It's just a bunch

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of fun stuff and it's just clothes, and and you

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know what I love about it is it launched like

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when I was I was trying to have a baby,

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and then I had a baby, and then it was pregnant,

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and then I was postpartum. I've been every size, Like

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in my closet, I have from extra small through to

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extra large inflex active wear because I have worn it

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at every size and at every size. It's comfortab and

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it's inclusive, and it's great shapes for women and all

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different kinds of bodies. And that's what I'm really proud

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of about, you know the line. Yeah, yeah, amazing, Thank you, Caz.

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After you had Arnold, I'm sure it's going all the

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way back to after Arnold. You posted a photo of yourself,

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your post baby body on Instagram, like I think, I'm

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pretty it was Arnold, right, It wasn't Vager, it was

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past years ago. Yeah, yeah, and that image of it,

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nobody had done that. You're a fitness trainer, you had

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your post baby body, you were in your underwear, very raw,

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very unfiltered. Put that photo out on Instagram. What inspired

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you to make that decision and put that photo out publicly?

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I just felt so much pressure to bounce back to

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the weight and the aesthetic that I was before and

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therefore be the person that I was before. But I

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felt that I had changed so much having had a

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child and gone through what I had gone through, and

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I just thought, I'm not going to bounce back, and

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instead I declared I was going to bounce forward, which

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meant just accepting where I was at and respecting the

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recovery time of that fourth trimester and the baby bonding,

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And I wasn't going to go and do a boot

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camp or a hardcore diet or something like that and

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jeopardize time with my baby, my milk supply, and injure

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myself more have my pelvic floor just fall through. I

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just was going to be so careful. That kind of

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mentality of just easing yourself back into it wasn't around

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then six years ago. It was all about bouncing back

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and I was like, no, it has to be slow

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because I'm a trainer, and I knew if I went hard,

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I'd hurt myself. And I knew if I went hard,

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I would undo all of my good work psychologically with

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loving fitness and loving health and wellness. You know, I

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wanted to preserve my relationship with fitness. I wanted to

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make sure that I was enjoying the comeback. And so, yeah,

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bounce forward became this mindset for me where it wasn't

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just about bouncing forward from after having a baby, but

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I was being contacted by women who are bouncing forward

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after divorce, or bouncing forward after a massive breakup or

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losing their job, or I was bouncing forward from injury

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and business disappointments and frustration, and it became a mindset.

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It's something that I've carried through to my second pregnancy,

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second baby, and all through the things that have happened

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to me that weren't ideal. But I did bounce forward

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in that I accepted where I was at with them,

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and I learned from them, and I had some basic

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things that I did that, yeah, helped me to survive.

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Really, I now it's going back a long way since

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that photo went. It really went viral, and so and

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I know you've talked about it before, but like, were

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you prepared for the response that it got? Like it

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really had a big impact, didn't.

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I didn't expect it. And I run an online business,

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so we have I have social media people and things

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are put through them, and sometimes they'll post for me,

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like just put things up that I write or but

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this was just off the cuff. I just posted it.

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I know that my even my team were like, oh

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my gosh, tips in or underwear, Oh my gosh, what

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do we do? And I was just like, it's fine,

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I'm I'm not taking it down. Ed was just like,

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You've never looked so beautiful. My little baby's there. You know,

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you look so womanly and I love your curves and

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all that, and I'm like, oh, okay, we'll just leave

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it and see what happens. And then people were asking

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me for interviews not about bouncing back, which was so

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relieving because I'd been contacted by magazines to bounce back

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and be on covers of magazines before I'd even had

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the baby. So to be interviewed about bouncing forward and

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saying no, I'm not going to lose the weight quickly.

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I'm going to just enjoy myself and love exercise and

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do it safely, that was great. I thought it was

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a good message for women, and I was happy to

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put it out there. So yeah, I didn't take the

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photo down. I did go to sleep that night going

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oh oh what gone?

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That was going to be my question. Did you have

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a moment where you thought, oh shit, I shouldn't did.

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There was part of me where it was like, you're

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a fitness trainer. People aren't going to trust you if

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you have put on forty kilos. People are not going

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to come to you to lose weight if you've chunked it.

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Like that was my thought process. This is going to

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hurt business this. People are going to leave. People are

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not going to join the program with a fat trainer.

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I was a size oh god, eighteen twenty, you know,

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and I was usually a size six to eight, and

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I just felt so different in my body, and those

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negative thoughts that were really mean were keeping me up

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that night. But I was like, no, you've just had

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a baby. Except where you're at you've had a hard

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time in your pregnancy. You you enjoyed food that you

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could eat and keep down, which was high salt and

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high fat foods. So I lived on sausage rolls, not

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the ideal nutrition, but you just have to accept it.

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I had to be nice to myself in the morning

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and just say we're going to leave it up. You've

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done the right thing. And if people leave, then they

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don't get it. But people flocked. People came to the program,

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and it made people think, oh, I think she understands me.

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She understands and we're going to do it together. That

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was the main thing.

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Yeah, it's such a brave It shouldn't be brave, but

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it's such a brave thing to do. And I think

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it's so validating that allowing yourself to be vulnerable got

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you such positive results. I think we all hold back

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from doing the vulnerable thing because of exactly the fear

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of rejection. What will people think? People are going to

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judge me? And when you can take that step and

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just do the thing, it's so lovely to be actually

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rewarded and accepted and appreciated for it, because then you're

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more likely to do the next vulnerable thing, to keep

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on being real and keeping it honest. And we need

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more of that. God, the world needs more of that.

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I mean, we really do. I think we have it

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more so now. But you're right at the time you

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did that, you know, six years ago, was that we

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weren't seeing a lot of that. No.

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I was looking for role models, and I was thinking,

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who who has been really fit and at the top

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of their game and then just lost it and made

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a comeback and and talked about losing it and talked

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like no one. No one had talked about that, having

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lost their fitness, having lost their body and their their shape.

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And I just thought, oh, well, you know, it's too

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hard to be perfect, it's too hard to lie and

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try and be perfect. And because part of me was

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just like, I'm going to cancel everything. I'm going to

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hide for three months, and then I'm going to emerge

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looking like I did after having dieted and exercise and

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blah blah blah, and I'll be the I'll match my

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website front cover or the you know, the app like

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I'll look like the girl on the cover of the magazines,

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in the press shots and in all the branded imagery

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across my website. That'll be heard like my phone didn't

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recognize me, like you know when you put your face

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up and you yeah, your face ID. My phone wouldn't

460
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.079
recognize me. And I used to like almost burst into

461
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.559
tears every time that I tried to get into my

462
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.680
phone and it would lock and I'd have to do

463
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:05.480
my past code because you know, my face was different,

464
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:08.680
and I was like, oh, it doesn't recognize me. I've

465
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.160
changed so much, but it's fine, Like now I laugh

466
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:16.440
about it. That's fine. And you change anyway, like you

467
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:20.119
age and you get wiser and you're not meant to

468
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.160
stay the same. And I don't want to go back

469
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.680
to Tiffany back then, who you know, before I had children.

470
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:30.759
I think my body's stronger in different ways now having

471
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.559
had kids, and you just got to wise up. I guess.

472
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.279
I hope that you're enjoying this conversation and realizing the

473
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.200
benefits of positivity in your own life. If you are

474
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.039
enjoying the show, please be sure to like and subscribe

475
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.400
so that you get notified when you EPs drop and

476
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.920
head on over to Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen

477
00:26:51.960 --> 00:27:01.519
and leave us a rating and review. You did actually

478
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:04.920
get back to being very very fit after Arnold. I

479
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.839
remember I was with you along along that journey and

480
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.839
we worked together for yeah, a lot of that time,

481
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.079
and you did become very very fit. So how was

482
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.440
it then having Vader? Like, how have you found the

483
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.920
adjustment to having a second baby? I mean not just physically,

484
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.839
but just generally, how is life?

485
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.279
It is so busy and I have found the jump

486
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:31.000
from one to two children very difficult myself, Like days

487
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:35.839
where I thought, oh, this is just insane, Like I

488
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.880
just it's like a bomb going off in my marriage,

489
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.480
in my business, in my life. I just it was

490
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.240
just so busy. And I don't know whether it's me

491
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:50.000
personally because of the age difference. I have one kid

492
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:55.279
at school, hectic school schedule, homework, after school activities, lots

493
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.920
of running around, and then I had a newborn who

494
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.440
is all also has her schedule of milk and feeds

495
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.400
and food and nappy changes and sleep and naps and

496
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.839
all of that, and these two schedules just didn't a

497
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.799
line at all, and it was just constantly thinking, I

498
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.680
have no time for myself, like not a second. That

499
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.039
has been a huge adjustment. She's one now, and there's

500
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.880
a little glimmer of I might have some time to

501
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.599
myself every now and then, but she's a bit older

502
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.880
and more independent. But there was a time where I thought,

503
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.480
this is it. I'm just I am a slave to

504
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.640
these two kids that I love and adore, and I

505
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.960
have no time for myself. And I finally finally get it,

506
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.720
Like it's like there's no time to exercise, there's no

507
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.400
time to do anything. But I found a way, and

508
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:50.920
my only way is to get up at four and

509
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:55.720
I do wow exercise. I get up for and I

510
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.920
have a coffee and I brush my teeth and I

511
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.039
relax a little bit, and then I I exercise from

512
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.839
five till five point thirty quarter to six, have a shower,

513
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.480
and the kids get up at six. That's the only

514
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.599
way that I can find to do it. Otherwise there's

515
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.839
no time in my day. I had to create that time.

516
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:17.680
I don't know if it's the right thing to do,

517
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:22.720
and I'm tired, but I feel better for it, I do.

518
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.359
Do you. So what time do you have to go

519
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:23.839
to bed?

520
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:27.119
Well, I had to adjust to my husband's schedule because

521
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.920
he gets up at four thirty anyways radio, so he

522
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.640
goes to bed eight o'clock. So I just thought, I'm

523
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.720
just going to go to bed with Ed, get up

524
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.599
with Ed, and exercise, and it's kind of working like

525
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.240
because you get up together. And it's a weird situation,

526
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.599
I know, with my husband keeping those hours, but it's

527
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.599
working for now. And I know Vader will get bigger

528
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.640
and she'll go to kinder and she'll do things and

529
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.039
I'll have some time to myself. But yeah, it's just

530
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.319
a particularly busy period with her being so little at

531
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.400
the moment and Arnold being so busy learning to read

532
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.400
and write. And he needs me just as much as

533
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.359
she needs me. You know, he's not really independent in

534
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:09.559
doing anything yet.

535
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.880
Yeah. No, that's so interesting when I only have one baby,

536
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.839
as you know, And I remember thinking it got to

537
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.799
when she was about four or five, starting school and

538
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.920
I was kind of in that mindset, Should I have

539
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.640
a baby now? Is a gap too big? I mean,

540
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.880
I know there's never a right or wrong or perfect,

541
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:30.000
but in a way I thought, I know, this could

542
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.039
be really good because she's kind of off doing her scene,

543
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.440
and then I could just be home with the baby.

544
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.240
But what you've just described is actually kind of a nightmare. Yeah.

545
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.519
The two schedules, they just clap, don't line up. They

546
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.960
don't line up at all, And then you have things

547
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.319
like I have a birthday party to take Arnold to

548
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.359
next Sunday, and Ed works on Sundays, so it's at

549
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.160
three till five o'clock. A soccer party. Seems simple, right,

550
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.119
But that's when Vader has her dinner. Vader gets her

551
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.920
dinner at four thirty five, early early, and she's in

552
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.440
bed by six. So I'm thinking to myself, do I

553
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.160
take dinner to the soccer party and feed the baby there?

554
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.519
Then she's going to not go to sleep, and it's

555
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.880
just a disaster. Like all these things that are meant

556
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.160
to be quite easy, like just take him to a

557
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.480
birthday party, I have to really think about it and

558
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.200
how am I going to do Vader with that? And

559
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:23.839
It's just it's just been like that constantly through the

560
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.200
twelve months, where I'm trying to give to Arnold in

561
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.640
all the ways so that he's making social friends and

562
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.440
growing up and having a good little preppy experience, and

563
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.720
yet I'm struggling because it was like, oh, that's Vader's nap,

564
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.200
Oh that's Vader's lunchtime. I'm going to give her a bottle.

565
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.519
And all the other moms aren't in that phase because

566
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:49.599
they've had their children close together. So it's just it's difficult,

567
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:52.200
it is, but it is just a phase, and I'm

568
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.960
learning to find my groove just slowly. Though.

569
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:01.000
You must have new level of appreciation for solo parents

570
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.640
because what you're describing some of that stuff is like, well,

571
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.759
if Ed was around, if he wasn't working on Sundays,

572
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.000
for example, he'd have faid oh yeah exactly, or he'd

573
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:15.240
do the birthday party. So gosh, kudos and excellently and

574
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.480
some acknowledgment to the people doing it on their own,

575
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.440
because it is absolutely is so tough. How have you

576
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.279
managed to run a business amongst.

577
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.079
All of that? Oh my goodness. Having a really strong

578
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:33.519
team has been really important, Like lots of support just

579
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.400
being at peace that I haven't been able to do

580
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.680
all that I want to do with my business, and

581
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.160
that's okay because my family comes first, and my babies

582
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.200
come first. Taking Arnold to a birthday party or doing

583
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:49.519
his homework with him when I should be on a

584
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.480
zoom meeting has come first, and I'm at peace with that.

585
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.319
So it doesn't mean that I have the biggest app

586
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.200
in the world, No, it doesn't. I'm comfortable with that,

587
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.200
and I think you just have to have that level

588
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.079
of acceptance. You know. There are times when I see

589
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:11.400
my competitors and I get pangs of anxiety and sadness

590
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.319
and oh, I wish I could be doing that, but

591
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.039
it's just impossible. And also, I'm a female owner, founder,

592
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.799
CEO in this space. My competitors are male, some of them,

593
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.119
and they haven't had to take time out to be

594
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.319
pregnant and run a business pregnant. They didn't have to

595
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.920
have no maternity leave and be breastfeeding on zooms and like,

596
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.519
you know, like all of that, and they didn't have

597
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.759
to then recover their body from giving birth and lose

598
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:44.599
the weight and get feared again. And it's a woman's

599
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.720
job and you can't carve that out. I'm proud of myself.

600
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.720
I did all that whilst running a business. Did I

601
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.000
get to do all the things that I wanted? No,

602
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.720
I'm really excited that I'm launching an app finally and

603
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.839
that I'm a to do these things. But it's been slow,

604
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:07.240
and yeah, yeah, it is what it is, like, I

605
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:08.199
just have to accept it.

606
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.599
I feel like I'm speaking to a whole different TIF

607
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.599
than the TIF that I worked with and first met,

608
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.199
you know, seven years ago when I first came on

609
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.920
board to TIF xso at the time now, so back

610
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.239
in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, when you first and we

611
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.800
had this podcast and you talked about the perfectionism and

612
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:34.039
the striving and they're overworking, and you are just in

613
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.880
such a different place now in terms of just that

614
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.800
healthy level of acceptance and letting go of what you

615
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.760
can't control, and letting go of that unrelenting standard that

616
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.000
you always held yourself to.

617
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.360
And you helped me because you always said done is

618
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.880
better than perfect, and that's something I say to myself

619
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.079
every day because I can't afford perfect anymore, and it

620
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.000
eats me up still, but I have to just say

621
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.920
it's that's honest, yeah, it's done. And I hand things

622
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.679
over and I go oh, or I put out a

623
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.320
podcast episode and I'm thinking, oh, you know, but it

624
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.760
is what it is, and I just have to I'm

625
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.280
a mum and that comes first, and at the moment

626
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.360
I have a very young family. That's just the way

627
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.199
it is, and I have to accept it. So I

628
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.840
feel good about being in this place. Do I wish

629
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.639
that I could push more and live in a better suburb,

630
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.159
or have a bigger house, or have a gym that

631
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.480
was indoors, which I would love instead of my garage

632
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.440
outside where it's freezing, or you know, you start to

633
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.039
think I wish I could drive a better car or

634
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:50.079
this or that. But I'm really happy with what I've

635
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.559
got and so grateful. I'm so so grateful for everything

636
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.880
that I have. And you just have to have that gratitude,

637
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.159
I think, and it's something that I carry with me

638
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.320
every day. And whilst I'm trying to compete in a

639
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:08.360
very flooded market of fitness apps, I'm also I don't know,

640
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.159
I'm also very much at peace of like, oh, you

641
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.760
I'll either workout or if it doesn't, and on another

642
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:18.400
app that just goes whatever. Like I've had my say,

643
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:22.320
I've helped people. They've changed their lives because of me,

644
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:26.480
and I feel really proud of that. I'll carry that

645
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.079
with me. But if it doesn't work out, what can

646
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:30.920
I do. I'm not going to stress or make myself

647
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.119
sick over it. You know where I have. I've made

648
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.719
myself sick in the past because I've been trying so

649
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.239
hard and battling battles that you just can't win. So

650
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.079
now I fight the battles that are worth fighting, and

651
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.639
I just let others go. Just let them go.

652
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.079
That's such a solid message. I feel like that's actually

653
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.159
almost like a really good place to end this conversation. Obviously,

654
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.639
you know you and I go back a long way.

655
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.599
We keep in touch with each other. We're always across

656
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.880
what each other is doing, supporting each other. Where can

657
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.159
people will find you? Now? Do you want to give

658
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.559
a shout out to your own brand new podcast that

659
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:05.360
you've just launched?

660
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:06.000
Thank you?

661
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.199
What would you like to share with Crapy to happy listeners.

662
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.440
I've launched a podcast called Bounce Forward. You can find

663
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.400
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664
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.440
bouncing forward from setbacks, lots of health tips, lots of

665
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.840
motivation will get you to your goals. I'm really loving that.

666
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.800
I'm loving the podcasting. But if you want to do

667
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.800
some of my fitness videos or get involved with the program,

668
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.960
that's at Mytichso dot com. It'll soon be an app.

669
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.119
So you just have to look for So and that's

670
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.239
me or I'm on Instagram at tifhole underscore XO. Thank you, cas,

671
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:49.360
but yeah, you can find me anywhere basically YouTube, Facebook,

672
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:50.559
I'm around.

673
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.320
Thanks for coming on, tip, It's been such a joy

674
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:54.079
to catch up.

675
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.719
Oh thank you for having me casts. It's been so

676
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