Bouncing forward in business, body and motherhood with Tiff Hall

0:02 A listener production. This is Crappita Happy, and I am your host, Cas S. Dunn. I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher and of course author of the Crappita Happy books. In this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent people who are experts in their field and who have something of value to share that will help you feel less crappy and more happy. Longtime listeners of this show know that it all started as a partnership between me and my very good friend, colleague, fitness queen, martial arts legend entrepreneur Tiffany Hall. Tiff, of course, is the founder of her own fitness brand TXO, and Tiff and I have worked together on that program since it started back in two thousand and sixteen, so a very long time. And of course many people were sad when Tif left the show, and so she has come back for a guest appearance and I thought it was high time that we caught up with Tiff again to see what she is up to these days. Now, I have to apologize. During my conversation with Tiff, she and I both recalled that the last time we were in a studio together was when she had just had Arnold.

1:26 Now afterwards we realized that actually we have caught up one other time after that, we caught up after she left the show and she returned for a special guest appearance. So much has happened over the last few years. It is all a blur. Now Tiff has a second baby, she has gone through changes in her business, she has gone through significant injuries and illnesses. She keeps on transforming and evolving. Nothing keeps her down. Of course, TIFF's motto is that we do not bounce back, we bounce forward, and that is what she has done. She has now launched a podcast by the same name, also called Bounce Forward. Oh and stay listening until the end of the episode to hear about a really great deal that Tiff is offering listeners to join her TXO Life program. You will not want to miss that. I know you're going to love this conversation with one of our favorites, Tiff Hall.

2:24 Tiffany Hall, Welcome back to the Crappy to Happy Podcast. It's been too long, Cass. I'm so excited to be here because we started out Crappy to Happy co hosts and then I went away, had a baby, and you continued on and you've looked after our little baby, Crappy to Happy so beautifully, and it's just blossomed, hasn't it. It has. It's gone from strength to strength. And then I remember we had such a great response when we got you back as a guest, and that was just after you'd had Arnold, Yes, and now just had Vader. It's like six years crazy. And we were we were in a studio together in Melbourne last time we recorded an interview together. And since then we've been through COVID, and I've moved overseas, and You've had a baby. A whole lot has happened. So I thought I would just love to get you back on and have a check in, have a catch up for all of the listeners, especially the ones who've been there from the beginning with you and I. Oh and the Crappy to Happy journey.

3:29 I love it. So Tiff, let's just start with in that time since you and I last chatted. I mean, I remember we were in Melbourne together. You had had Arnold, who was a tiny baby, and you had broken your ankle. I remember you were hobbling around on crutches. And as Ed was having to help out with Arnold because you were kind of incapacitated. Uh huh with this ankle injury. Now, since then, you've had wrist reconstruction, You've survived, you know, chronic fatigue. I don't even know if we still call it chronic fatigue? Do we am me? And pots? Like you had a mysterious illness that really took you out for a long time. You've had another baby.

4:15 Uh huh. I guess through all of that, Like, as a founder of a fitness company, how did that all affect you psychologically? I mean obviously you had health challenges, but mentally emotionally, like, what how was that for you? It was the worst when I had Arnold, I broke my ankle and I couldn't wait there and I couldn't carry him. He was six months, I think, really little, and yes, so I was on crutches and couldn't carry the baby. And just recently Vader was eleven months and I had a knee arthroscope and I couldn't carry her. I actually had to have my pa move into my house and live with me to get her up and down the stairs for me and just carry the baby around for me, what a PA because I couldn't manage.

5:03 And I just think that when I was younger, in my twenties, a fitness industry was all about smash and bash get in their pain is gain, you know, you want to really earn your calories, you you know, And it was tough and I was a gladiator and there was a lot on my body. And now I am paying for those days with my body breaking. Really, I've had a lot of injuries from two risk reconstructions, no cartilage in my knees, nearthroscope, broken ankle, continuous things with my nervous system. And it's just a testament to that kind of training doesn't work. And the stuff that I'm doing now, which is holistic through my Tixo and Tixo life is the right way. Twenty minutes a day, not smashing yourself so you've got longevity, is so much better.

5:57 I hit of endorphins, you maintain your nice way, you know, you feel like you feel great about yourself. I just I just regret those days, and psychologically, injuries have become a part of my life. I'm a retired athlete, and any athlete you know has their seasons. I'm nearly forty. Nobody is smashing themselves as an athlete. At forty. They all retire and they go into the next season of their life. And that's where I see myself now. And I did have to retire from you know, smashing myself in fitness videos a couple of years ago basically, and I had to step back bring other trainers in. To do that, I bought my business out from my business partners at the time. I became CEO and I became a businesswoman, and that was the next season of my life, and I just had to really I actually got a psychologist cast to deal with the injuries because I didn't have the strategies and I had to learn. And it really did help to think of myself as an athlete and that I had been through it all, had had amazing success, and then it was time to step back and heal and go into another phase, which was exciting to think, oh what can I do and to become more creative, But at the time, yeah, it is super hard and it's very hard to get motivated because you think to yourself, here we go again, here's another injury.

7:28 I'm looking at a three to six month recovery, and it was devastating because it impacts my family. I have two young children, six and one, and I have a husband who's incredibly busy with four jobs, and you know, he becomes a career and that impacts our relationship as well. So my mind now is all about, please no more injuries. I'm fixing the things that need to be fixed, but I don't want any accidents. So I'm very careful with my train and I am back filming videos, but nowhere near the amount that I used to do, which would be twenty thirty forty in a day, I would do ten videos. Now I'll take a day recovery, I'll do some more videos the next day. And I get it.

8:17 I get it. When I was younger, it was all about being cost effective and we only had the cameras and the crew for one day. We could only afford it for one day, so we had to get entire fitness programs in the one day. And crazy, I mean, it was so bad to my nervous system. It actually burnt out my nervous system and it turned off my battery. But now I say, what costs you put on your health, and so I will pay for the cameras for three days, just so I can have recovery days in between. And that's you know, I'll go without other things in my business just so that I can look after myself and my other trainers, because I don't want that happening to them either.

8:58 Sounds like it was such a huge, which mental shift, and because you are not just the owner of this fitness brand, like you're the face. You're the face and body of the fitness brand. And so that shift in your own self concept not just to I can't just do this to myself physically, but to shift you mentally into like, as you said that, well now I'm no longer a like working athlete. I'm a re tired athlete. I'm a business owner and somebody else can take on that role. So important. I think that's such an important message and obviously great for you mentally. It took a long time too, because it was a shift in my identity because I was always fittif and super six pack and muscles on muscles, and that was me.

9:45 And then I started to look different because I was having all these injuries and I couldn't sometimes I couldn't maintain my weight. Sometimes I couldn't do cardios. Sometimes I was completely couldn't do anything like even lift a kettle to boil some water with my wrist. And I found it very difficult to manage my weight without exercise and having to then be more mindful of my food intake because I used to really just not eat whatever I wanted but not really worry about it because I was so so active, you know, it just had to pull in other things that I could control and forget about the things that I couldn't. So it was just different.

10:26 And as somebody who runs a wellness program and who has a whole community of women who are interested in health and fitness and who also look to you for inspiration and aspiration, how much more empathy do you now have for people who might be struggling to get started because you had always been fit, And I think when you've always been fit and you don't really know what it's like to not be fit, it can be really hard to put yourself in somebody's shoes and just you know, there's all these just get up and get out and do it, and put your shoes on and just do it, you know, But do you do you have a different kind of approach and a different kind of empathy. I guess, for yes, for people who might be struggling.

11:06 Now I'm a better trainer for all of it. And that's what's kept me going, Cass, that thought that, you know, whenever I had an injury or a setback, I thought, this is a good thing, even when I put on and I don't know why it happens to me. I put so much weight in pregnancy, thirty forty kilos with Vader, and I just thought, this is going to make me a better trainer, because I'm huffing to get up the stairs. My joints are aching from carrying. I was ninety kilos by the end of it, and my joints were aching and carrying the weight, and I couldn't get in and out of the car very fast, and that would frustrate me, and just little day to day things. Carrying that extra weight was so frustrating. After I had Vader, still having the weight on it was so incapacitating. So I found that I just was so much better at understanding how difficult it is to do a push up when you're carrying a bit of extra weight. I wouldn't even suggest trying start with another exercise. And you know, and I have regrets because I was on the Biggest Loser and I was young, and I was so fit, and I was in my twenties, and I used to prescribe exercise that I wouldn't prescribe now, you know, having been through all that I've been through, I got the results in the end. But I just feel I've learned so much and I'm so much better at modifications and training people and understanding where they're at and building better programs.

12:36 Now. I just I think I've come a long way. So they're blessings. And my dad always says that your injuries are your biggest teachers. And I carry that with me because anyone who has done taekwondo had a background in a full, full contact sport will understand injuries like I do. You have to take them as being teachers. Otherwise you just you don't survive mentally, it's too hard. Yeah, so true. I did taekwondo as a teenager and I carry a knee injury to this day from a flying side kick I did. My knee just jammed up when I kicked the bag and I was like fifteen, and to this day, that knee, yes, still is weak at times. So when you say you did it for years and years and years, I mean I stopped.

13:19 Yes, Yes, bags and impact and kicking. It's bad for your body. It's bad for your body. But you have to find other ways of doing things. And I did carry a lot of grief for a long time because my surgeon said no more running, no more impact sports, no more boxing because of my wrists. I have things that I can't do lower body and things I can't do upper body, and these are my big loves martial arts, boxing, running, high impact hit and I was thinking, well, what can I do? What's sit on my ass and ride a bike. You know that's not me. You know, I don't like cycling and all of this kind of thing. But I've learned to love the bike, and I've learned to love weights and get into weight training and try to adapt.

14:03 And it's very, very very important to have that mindset where you can change and adapt. Whereas for a long time I was in denial and I just wasn't having. It in a space that is very saturated in the fitness market. And I guess with the even you know, with the move towards body positivity and like go of dots and you don't need to follow a plan. All that sort of messaging that's out there. How important has it been for you to diversify, like I've seen you put out an active wear range, You've put out supplements, Like, is there what's the strategy behind that? For the entrepreneurial listeners in our audience? Well, exactly what you said. It's a saturated space. You're fighting for attention and you're paying for attention, and it's very expensive to advertise the cost per acquisition for customers.

14:53 It's very expensive, and you know, it's it's just getting worse and worse. But you know, I'm very proud that I can hold my stance with my memberships and you know, it's very healthy and it's going really, really well. But I looked to the future and I just thought, well, plus memberships and subscriptions, I think I'd love to try active wear, which I'm obsessed with and I live in, and I'd love to try supplements because I can never find the perfect supplement. And I didn't do many. I just did too because I really do believe that you shouldn't have to take a thousand different supplements. You just need to with everything you need in it. I'm looking to do other things as well, and I just wanted to test that space and it was very successful, especially having built an audience already. I thought, oh, there's an audience who are listening to me and who enjoy what I do, and I wanted to see if I could give them other cool stuff and it worked. It was very successful. So I don't know, I'm not as passionate about the clothes and the supple and says I am about the fitness, like I light up when I get to talk about push ups and squats, but I still love it and it's been really good for the business to have that extra, you know, revenue as well. I think anyone looking to start in the health and fitness space, I think that you really do have to diversify and start to think what else can I do and be

16:25 specific as well, you know, not that you do everything everything. I'm very specific. I'm all about women and I stick in my lane there. So I think that's something good to remember and really hone in on, Yeah, who are you for? What value are you giving? Yeah? Yeah, great message? How much creative input do you have into the clothing line because I love it. I ask you constantly when are you shipping overseas? When to the UK? Because I love your active ways? Oh thank you? Not a lot of yeah, obviously. I have a team of professional designers because I can't design like I'm not a professional designer. They'll ask me like, what colors are you vibing on? I send inspo of things that I'm loving and they create it from that.

17:16 It might be like a toggle or a bigger zipper or something like that that I'm loving at the moment, and they'll work it into you know, the clothing. I had a green moment where I loved green, and then the whole range was bright green, like high viz green. And it's just been so fun. It's just a bunch of fun stuff and it's just clothes, and and you know what I love about it is it launched like when I was I was trying to have a baby, and then I had a baby, and then it was pregnant, and then I was postpartum. I've been every size, Like in my closet, I have from extra small through to extra large inflex active wear because I have worn it at every size and at every size. It's comfortab and it's inclusive, and it's great shapes for women and all different kinds of bodies. And that's what I'm really proud of about, you know the line. Yeah, yeah, amazing, Thank you, Caz.

18:11 After you had Arnold, I'm sure it's going all the way back to after Arnold. You posted a photo of yourself, your post baby body on Instagram, like I think, I'm pretty it was Arnold, right, It wasn't Vager, it was past years ago. Yeah, yeah, and that image of it, nobody had done that. You're a fitness trainer, you had your post baby body, you were in your underwear, very raw, very unfiltered. Put that photo out on Instagram. What inspired you to make that decision and put that photo out publicly? I just felt so much pressure to bounce back to the weight and the aesthetic that I was before and therefore be the person that I was before. But I felt that I had changed so much having had a child and gone through what I had gone through, and I just thought, I'm not going to bounce back, and instead I declared I was going to bounce forward, which meant just accepting where I was at and respecting the recovery time of that fourth trimester and the baby bonding, And I wasn't going to go and do a boot camp or a hardcore diet or something like that and jeopardize time with my baby, my milk supply, and injure myself more have my pelvic floor just fall through. I just was going to be so careful. That kind of mentality of just easing yourself back into it wasn't around then six years ago. It was all about bouncing back

19:42 and I was like, no, it has to be slow because I'm a trainer, and I knew if I went hard, I'd hurt myself. And I knew if I went hard, I would undo all of my good work psychologically with loving fitness and loving health and wellness. You know, I wanted to preserve my relationship with fitness. I wanted to make sure that I was enjoying the comeback. And so, yeah, bounce forward became this mindset for me where it wasn't just about bouncing forward from after having a baby, but I was being contacted by women who are bouncing forward after divorce, or bouncing forward after a massive breakup or losing their job, or I was bouncing forward from injury and business disappointments and frustration, and it became a mindset.

20:29 It's something that I've carried through to my second pregnancy, second baby, and all through the things that have happened to me that weren't ideal. But I did bounce forward in that I accepted where I was at with them, and I learned from them, and I had some basic things that I did that, yeah, helped me to survive. Really, I now it's going back a long way since that photo went. It really went viral, and so and I know you've talked about it before, but like, were you prepared for the response that it got? Like it really had a big impact, didn't. I didn't expect it. And I run an online business, so we have I have social media people and things are put through them, and sometimes they'll post for me, like just put things up that I write or but this was just off the cuff. I just posted it.

21:24 I know that my even my team were like, oh my gosh, tips in or underwear, Oh my gosh, what do we do? And I was just like, it's fine, I'm I'm not taking it down. Ed was just like, You've never looked so beautiful. My little baby's there. You know, you look so womanly and I love your curves and all that, and I'm like, oh, okay, we'll just leave it and see what happens. And then people were asking me for interviews not about bouncing back, which was so relieving because I'd been contacted by magazines to bounce back and be on covers of magazines before I'd even had the baby. So to be interviewed about bouncing forward and saying no, I'm not going to lose the weight quickly.

22:08 I'm going to just enjoy myself and love exercise and do it safely, that was great. I thought it was a good message for women, and I was happy to put it out there. So yeah, I didn't take the photo down. I did go to sleep that night going oh oh what gone? That was going to be my question. Did you have a moment where you thought, oh shit, I shouldn't did. There was part of me where it was like, you're a fitness trainer. People aren't going to trust you if you have put on forty kilos. People are not going to come to you to lose weight if you've chunked it. Like that was my thought process. This is going to hurt business this. People are going to leave. People are not going to join the program with a fat trainer.

22:54 I was a size oh god, eighteen twenty, you know, and I was usually a size six to eight, and I just felt so different in my body, and those negative thoughts that were really mean were keeping me up that night. But I was like, no, you've just had a baby. Except where you're at you've had a hard time in your pregnancy. You you enjoyed food that you could eat and keep down, which was high salt and high fat foods. So I lived on sausage rolls, not the ideal nutrition, but you just have to accept it.

23:35 I had to be nice to myself in the morning and just say we're going to leave it up. You've done the right thing. And if people leave, then they don't get it. But people flocked. People came to the program, and it made people think, oh, I think she understands me. She understands and we're going to do it together. That was the main thing. Yeah, it's such a brave It shouldn't be brave, but it's such a brave thing to do. And I think it's so validating that allowing yourself to be vulnerable got you such positive results. I think we all hold back from doing the vulnerable thing because of exactly the fear of rejection. What will people think? People are going to judge me? And when you can take that step and just do the thing, it's so lovely to be actually rewarded and accepted and appreciated for it, because then you're more likely to do the next vulnerable thing, to keep on being real and keeping it honest. And we need more of that. God, the world needs more of that.

24:38 I mean, we really do. I think we have it more so now. But you're right at the time you did that, you know, six years ago, was that we weren't seeing a lot of that. No. I was looking for role models, and I was thinking, who who has been really fit and at the top of their game and then just lost it and made a comeback and and talked about losing it and talked like no one. No one had talked about that, having lost their fitness, having lost their body and their their shape. And I just thought, oh, well, you know, it's too hard to be perfect, it's too hard to lie and try and be perfect. And because part of me was just like, I'm going to cancel everything. I'm going to hide for three months, and then I'm going to emerge looking like I did after having dieted and exercise and blah blah blah, and I'll be the I'll match my website front cover or the you know, the app like I'll look like the girl on the cover of the magazines, in the press shots and in all the branded imagery across my website. That'll be heard like my phone didn't recognize me, like you know when you put your face up and you yeah, your face ID. My phone wouldn't recognize me. And I used to like almost burst into tears every time that I tried to get into my phone and it would lock and I'd have to do my past code because you know, my face was different, and I was like, oh, it doesn't recognize me. I've

26:08 changed so much, but it's fine, Like now I laugh about it. That's fine. And you change anyway, like you age and you get wiser and you're not meant to stay the same. And I don't want to go back to Tiffany back then, who you know, before I had children. I think my body's stronger in different ways now having had kids, and you just got to wise up. I guess. I hope that you're enjoying this conversation and realizing the benefits of positivity in your own life. If you are enjoying the show, please be sure to like and subscribe so that you get notified when you EPs drop and head on over to Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen and leave us a rating and review. You did actually get back to being very very fit after Arnold. I remember I was with you along along that journey and we worked together for yeah, a lot of that time, and you did become very very fit. So how was it then having Vader? Like, how have you found the adjustment to having a second baby? I mean not just physically, but just generally, how is life?

27:22 It is so busy and I have found the jump from one to two children very difficult myself, Like days where I thought, oh, this is just insane, Like I just it's like a bomb going off in my marriage, in my business, in my life. I just it was just so busy. And I don't know whether it's me personally because of the age difference. I have one kid at school, hectic school schedule, homework, after school activities, lots of running around, and then I had a newborn who is all also has her schedule of milk and feeds and food and nappy changes and sleep and naps and all of that, and these two schedules just didn't a line at all, and it was just constantly thinking, I have no time for myself, like not a second. That has been a huge adjustment. She's one now, and there's a little glimmer of I might have some time to myself every now and then, but she's a bit older and more independent. But there was a time where I thought, this is it. I'm just I am a slave to these two kids that I love and adore, and I have no time for myself. And I finally finally get it, Like it's like there's no time to exercise, there's no time to do anything. But I found a way, and my only way is to get up at four and I do wow exercise. I get up for and I

28:55 have a coffee and I brush my teeth and I relax a little bit, and then I I exercise from five till five point thirty quarter to six, have a shower, and the kids get up at six. That's the only way that I can find to do it. Otherwise there's no time in my day. I had to create that time. I don't know if it's the right thing to do, and I'm tired, but I feel better for it, I do. Do you. So what time do you have to go to bed? Well, I had to adjust to my husband's schedule because he gets up at four thirty anyways radio, so he goes to bed eight o'clock. So I just thought, I'm just going to go to bed with Ed, get up with Ed, and exercise, and it's kind of working like because you get up together. And it's a weird situation, I know, with my husband keeping those hours, but it's working for now. And I know Vader will get bigger and she'll go to kinder and she'll do things and I'll have some time to myself. But yeah, it's just a particularly busy period with her being so little at the moment and Arnold being so busy learning to read and write. And he needs me just as much as she needs me. You know, he's not really independent in doing anything yet.

30:10 Yeah. No, that's so interesting when I only have one baby, as you know, And I remember thinking it got to when she was about four or five, starting school and I was kind of in that mindset, Should I have a baby now? Is a gap too big? I mean, I know there's never a right or wrong or perfect, but in a way I thought, I know, this could be really good because she's kind of off doing her scene, and then I could just be home with the baby. But what you've just described is actually kind of a nightmare. Yeah. The two schedules, they just clap, don't line up. They don't line up at all, And then you have things like I have a birthday party to take Arnold to next Sunday, and Ed works on Sundays, so it's at three till five o'clock. A soccer party. Seems simple, right, But that's when Vader has her dinner. Vader gets her dinner at four thirty five, early early, and she's in bed by six. So I'm thinking to myself, do I take dinner to the soccer party and feed the baby there?

31:06 Then she's going to not go to sleep, and it's just a disaster. Like all these things that are meant to be quite easy, like just take him to a birthday party, I have to really think about it and how am I going to do Vader with that? And It's just it's just been like that constantly through the twelve months, where I'm trying to give to Arnold in all the ways so that he's making social friends and growing up and having a good little preppy experience, and yet I'm struggling because it was like, oh, that's Vader's nap, Oh that's Vader's lunchtime. I'm going to give her a bottle. And all the other moms aren't in that phase because they've had their children close together. So it's just it's difficult, it is, but it is just a phase, and I'm learning to find my groove just slowly. Though.

31:56 You must have new level of appreciation for solo parents because what you're describing some of that stuff is like, well, if Ed was around, if he wasn't working on Sundays, for example, he'd have faid oh yeah exactly, or he'd do the birthday party. So gosh, kudos and excellently and some acknowledgment to the people doing it on their own, because it is absolutely is so tough. How have you managed to run a business amongst. All of that? Oh my goodness. Having a really strong team has been really important, Like lots of support just being at peace that I haven't been able to do all that I want to do with my business, and that's okay because my family comes first, and my babies come first. Taking Arnold to a birthday party or doing his homework with him when I should be on a zoom meeting has come first, and I'm at peace with that.

32:53 So it doesn't mean that I have the biggest app in the world, No, it doesn't. I'm comfortable with that, and I think you just have to have that level of acceptance. You know. There are times when I see my competitors and I get pangs of anxiety and sadness and oh, I wish I could be doing that, but it's just impossible. And also, I'm a female owner, founder, CEO in this space. My competitors are male, some of them, and they haven't had to take time out to be pregnant and run a business pregnant. They didn't have to have no maternity leave and be breastfeeding on zooms and like, you know, like all of that, and they didn't have to then recover their body from giving birth and lose the weight and get feared again. And it's a woman's job and you can't carve that out. I'm proud of myself.

33:49 I did all that whilst running a business. Did I get to do all the things that I wanted? No, I'm really excited that I'm launching an app finally and that I'm a to do these things. But it's been slow, and yeah, yeah, it is what it is, like, I just have to accept it. I feel like I'm speaking to a whole different TIF than the TIF that I worked with and first met, you know, seven years ago when I first came on board to TIF xso at the time now, so back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, when you first and we had this podcast and you talked about the perfectionism and the striving and they're overworking, and you are just in such a different place now in terms of just that healthy level of acceptance and letting go of what you can't control, and letting go of that unrelenting standard that you always held yourself to.

34:48 And you helped me because you always said done is better than perfect, and that's something I say to myself every day because I can't afford perfect anymore, and it eats me up still, but I have to just say it's that's honest, yeah, it's done. And I hand things over and I go oh, or I put out a podcast episode and I'm thinking, oh, you know, but it is what it is, and I just have to I'm a mum and that comes first, and at the moment I have a very young family. That's just the way it is, and I have to accept it. So I feel good about being in this place. Do I wish that I could push more and live in a better suburb, or have a bigger house, or have a gym that was indoors, which I would love instead of my garage outside where it's freezing, or you know, you start to think I wish I could drive a better car or this or that. But I'm really happy with what I've got and so grateful. I'm so so grateful for everything that I have. And you just have to have that gratitude, I think, and it's something that I carry with me every day. And whilst I'm trying to compete in a very flooded market of fitness apps, I'm also I don't know, I'm also very much at peace of like, oh, you I'll either workout or if it doesn't, and on another app that just goes whatever. Like I've had my say,

36:18 I've helped people. They've changed their lives because of me, and I feel really proud of that. I'll carry that with me. But if it doesn't work out, what can I do. I'm not going to stress or make myself sick over it. You know where I have. I've made myself sick in the past because I've been trying so hard and battling battles that you just can't win. So now I fight the battles that are worth fighting, and I just let others go. Just let them go. That's such a solid message. I feel like that's actually almost like a really good place to end this conversation. Obviously, you know you and I go back a long way. We keep in touch with each other. We're always across what each other is doing, supporting each other. Where can people will find you? Now? Do you want to give a shout out to your own brand new podcast that you've just launched?

37:05 Thank you? What would you like to share with Crapy to happy listeners. I've launched a podcast called Bounce Forward. You can find it anywhere you get your podcasts, and it's all about bouncing forward from setbacks, lots of health tips, lots of motivation will get you to your goals. I'm really loving that. I'm loving the podcasting. But if you want to do some of my fitness videos or get involved with the program, that's at Mytichso dot com. It'll soon be an app. So you just have to look for So and that's me or I'm on Instagram at tifhole underscore XO. Thank you, cas, but yeah, you can find me anywhere basically YouTube, Facebook, I'm around.

37:50 Thanks for coming on, tip, It's been such a joy to catch up. Oh thank you for having me casts. It's been so much fun. Yayo. To celebrate the launch of txo's gen Fit program, which is working out according to your age, Tiff is generously offering everyone a one year subscription and access to all of the TXO programs, meal plans, mindfulness, everything that you will find in that program for just ninety nine dollars using the code Tanya ninety nine t a NYA ninety nine, So be sure to jump on that deal.

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