July 17, 2023

Challenging toxic wellness culture and gender rules with Steph Claire Smith

Challenging toxic wellness culture and gender rules with Steph Claire Smith
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Challenging toxic wellness culture and gender rules with Steph Claire Smith
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Season 9 Women's Health And Wellbeing Personal Growth & Healing Physical Health

Steph Claire Smith is a model, a business owner, author, podcast host, and she is a wife and mum to two-year-old Harvey. Together with her best friend Laura Henshaw, Steph co-founded KIC (formerly known as Keep It Cleaner): a wellness app with a mission to kick toxic wellness rules out the window.Today, Steph joins Cass to talk unpack:

  • where KIC all began
  • why this mission matters so much to her
  • the gender bias she experiences as a founder and also the primary breadwinner in her family
  • and the big plans that she and Laura have for the future of KIC.


Steph has also generously offered you all a free months access to the KIC app (which includes over 1000+ workouts, recipes, meditations and more). To take advantage of this offer, go to kicapp.com. Select the monthly option and use the discount code KIC1MONTH to get your one month free access. (Note: You need to register on the website, not the app, to use the discount code)
Connect with Steph on instagram and listen to KIC POD in the LiSTNR app, or your podcast app of choice.
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Transcript
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A listener production.

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This is Crappita Happy and I am your host Castunn.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course author of the Crappita Happy books. In

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this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent

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people who are experts in their field and who have

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something of value to share that will help you feel

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less crappy and more happy. Steph Claire Smith is a model,

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a business owner, author, podcast host, and she is a

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wife and mum to two year old Harvey. Together with

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her best friend Laura Henshaw, Steph co founded Kick formerly

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known as Keep It Cleaner, a wellness app with a

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mission to kick toxic wellness rules and be a champion

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for change, encouraging women to embrace a healthy and happy lifestyle,

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prioritize the mental and physical wellbeing without succumbing to harmful

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trends and unrealistic expectations. Steph joins me on the Crappy

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to Happy podcast to talk about where it all began,

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why this mission matters to her, the gender bias she

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experiences as a founder and also the primary breadwinner in

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her family, and the big plans that she and Laura

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have for the future of Kick Now. By the way,

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Steph is also generously offered Crappy to Happy listeners a

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free month on the Kick app.

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Stay tuned to the end of the show to find

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out how you can grab that offer.

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Right now, here's my chat with Steph. Steph Klair Smith,

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Welcome to the Crappy to Happy podcast.

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Thank you. I'm so excited.

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Yeah, I'm so happy to have a chat with you, Steph.

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I have watched you and Laura grow your Kick company

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since probably a few years ago. And I don't know

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if people would know the backstory, but I was working

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for a cop like a digital's kind of well being company,

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helping to create content, and they asked me if I

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would be interested to create some I think it was

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meditation scripts or something for this new program that was

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coming out for these Kick girls.

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And I was like, who are the Kick Girls? And

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they're like, you know, keep it cleaner, Steph and Laura.

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And to be honest, like I didn't know who you were,

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but I quickly found out who you were. That was

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from the very earliest days of your Kick program. Then

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I realized that you had like product lines and you

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have gone on to really grow this company.

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I would love to know.

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Where did it all actually begin, because I came in

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kind of at that like a fair way into the

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evolution I guess of Kick, But where did it begin?

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What was the inspiration for you and Laura creating this

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business together?

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So it's really funny if we've come full circle with that, cas,

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but that would have been in twenty seventeen when we

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had a program with another company. That's before we launched

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Kick our business. But no, we started technically in twenty

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fifteen with an e book and there was thirty seven

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of mine and Laura's favorite recipes in this e book.

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And why it was created, well, Laura and I met

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in twenty thirteen through modeling, and it was one of

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those friendships where you met the person and you just

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felt like you'd known them for years and you were.

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We were very much the yin to each other's yang,

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and it just it was just a really nice fit

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of a friendship. But we both then spent twenty fourteen traveling,

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so I moved over to the States for about ten

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months and Laura did a few months in Europe for modeling.

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lowest points when it comes to I suppose the way

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we looked at ourselves, our confidence in ourselves, our body confidence,

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and we had really poor relationships with food and exercise.

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We were both really fortunate that we grew up in

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families where you know, the word diet wasn't thrown around.

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My mum didn't even speak of insecurities of hers until

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I was like an adult.

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I really remember it, like this pivotal moment where I

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went shopping with her for a dress and I reckon.

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I was like twenty, and she was trying to.

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cover the top of my arms, or I like a

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dress to go past my knees because I don't like

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my thighs. And that was the first time I'd ever

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heard herself kind of took down to her body.

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have gone from you know, fad diets and hated on

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their bodies in front of them, that they've really kind

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of seen that as normal. I supose and grown up

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with it. So I think for two people who grew

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up without those kind of that kind of chatter or pressure,

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had a really healthy relationship with both food and exercise,

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loved sport, loved being active to them, diving into the

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industry of modeling, and being a part of this new

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era of Instagram where you can have access to all

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these people you aspire to look like.

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of stuff.

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We definitely fell into the tre app all of comparing

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ourselves to others, comparing our diets, and I exercised regime

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to others and definitely focused on, I suppose the wrong motive.

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So like both of us, we exercised a certain way

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and ate a certain way purely for the way that

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we looked like.

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We had this outcome that we wanted and.

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Fortunately so unfortunately it was just to get as small

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as possible. And that was also trending at the time,

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I would say as well, which we've seen throughout history

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that like body types have trended, that've come and gone

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and kind of circle round and round again.

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When you really think about it, because we're born with

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certain genetics, you know, we all have very different lifestyles.

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There are so many things, there's so many reasons why

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we don't all look the same, and whenever these trends

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come up that make you feel like you need to

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fit into a certain mold, it's just.

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It's so sad.

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And so I think Laura and I, whilst we were

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in the depth of our struggles, we really bonded with

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each other on that, and I think what we both

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noticed was that, especially in the space of social media,

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there was like these two different kind of things that

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were happening around health.

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One was like the real fitness fanatic that was like.

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low calorie meals for food, or if you were like

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on the wellness space, it was kind of like gwenos

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Paltrow two hundred dollars to put together a beetroot cake

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that just tastes like beetroot and you had to go

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to a super food store to like find the ingredients.

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You couldn't just get them at Coles or Woolies. There

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was nothing really in between. That kind of was what

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we grew up with. The food we grew up with

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just you know, like your pasta bakes and your.

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Meat and free edge and all of that sort of

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stuff that was still.

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Enjoyable and didn't have this you know, high focus on

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calories and really restrictive ingredients.

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And all that sort of stuff.

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So that's where the ebook, the idea of the e

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book came, and at first, I would say it was

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much more of a passion project, although there was a

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lot of business thought into it as well.

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I just don't think we thought it was going to

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be as successful as it was.

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But we had two spons on board, two different brands

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that were mentioned, yeah.

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Throughout a lot of the ingredients.

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One was a yoga company and the other was a

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I think it was like a powdered kind of like

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cackl powder and all that sort of stuff, and they

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were mentioned in the ingredients and so they paid for

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a spot in the ebook. And these were brands that

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we both worked with on our platforms before. We were

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very fortunate to have already grown a bit of a profile.

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I think at the time I had about four hundred

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thousand followers already and that was wow, fifteen that's massive.

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Yeah, it was especially.

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Massive, Yeah, and also very savvy, very savvy to get

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sponsors for an ebooks straight up front, because how old

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were you both at the time.

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Well, so I would have oh my god, that's good maths,

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I reckon. I was twenty one when we launched, and

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I will say that it had come from learning.

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So like when Instagram first came out and.

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My following started to grow, there was different brands that

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worked with me in a way of just kind of

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sending me product and I was so excited to get

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free stuff that I would like post about it. And

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that was kind of how it started. And that's how

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it worked in the beginning. And then you know, I

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started to realize a lot of those clients kept coming

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back and back and back and wanting more and more,

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as I was like, obviously I must be selling something here,

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and so it did kind of spark a bit of

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you know, interest to want to talk to my community

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that i'd grown about something that I really cared about

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and help them in some way. And also I suppose

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use my platform not just for good, but also in

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a way that I was going to profit from it

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as well. And it just got a response that we

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were not prepared for. So from there a community started

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to form and they wanted more and not only did

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they want more, but we also wanted to share more,

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and so it went from an ebook to a subscription

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website which had three recipes and one workout uploaded per month,

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so not a lot of content, but people did subscribe.

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And I think the best thing about our community from

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the getting, especially those of the ebook. Our ebook was

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not anything special like it was. We didn't wait for

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it to be perfect to release it. I mean, I

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think there was like twenty or spelling mistakes even in

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the first release, but even the recipes, like the photographs.

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Are not ideal, and it was it was just not

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the best design or anything.

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But I think if you if you look back at

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something you started with, I think anyone would be able

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to relate to not feeling, you know, super proud of.

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What it looked like.

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But because our images weren't that great, people felt like

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they could create our you know, muffins and banana bread

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and it looked better than the photos.

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So they were sharing it and posting a lot about it.

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And so then this community started to grow, and it

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was this beautiful community of people that were sick of

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diet culture and those quick fixes and messaging and yeah,

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I suppose from there we went to work with the

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company that you were speaking about earlier in twenty seventeen,

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and we were working with them for a year, learned

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a lot through that process, and I think the passion

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to want to do more just kept growing in our valleies.

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And that's when we left that and went off on

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our own and started from scratch with Kick and launched

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the app in twenty eighteen.

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And it's grown from strength to strength.

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Was it really important to you when you talk about

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going out on your own to really have full kind

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of creative control over the app and the program?

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Yeah? Absolutely, and I mean for sure.

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And I suppose that company in particular, like they were

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working with a few different programs, and so they were

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capturing learnings from different programs, and one thing that they

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kept questioning us on was certain messaging that they knew

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from using it throughout the programs, like transformations before and after,

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these kind of promises of you know, changing physical appearance

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and all that sort of stuff that really works.

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In paid marketing. That kind of kept coming up as

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like something, do you want to try it?

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on because it just did not align with our values

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and it's.

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Something that we've stuck to this day.

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And sure it you might have got a subscribe as

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quicker or unfortunately is something that people do buy into,

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but it's just it didn't ever feel right and it

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wasn't the reason we started in the first place.

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So we're really proud that we've stuck to that.

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just talk fast forward to now and the evolution of

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Where is it at now?

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Absolutely, I think as the years have gone by, we've

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kind of seen that we definitely trying to be bolder

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in the space. I think the noise of diet culture

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and stuff isn't dying as quickly as we hoped it would.

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There's definitely much more of a holistic approach out there,

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and there's so many options and it's great and we're

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so proud to be a part of an industry that

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does a lot of good. However, there is still so

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much wrong with the industry, and we're in a position where,

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because of what we've always stood for, we can be

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really bold about it and really stand strong against toxic

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diet culture. Things quick fixes and just restrictive diety things

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that aren't sustainable. And that's what kicks all about, is

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just finding sustainable ways that you can build healthy habits

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and find what works for you because everyone's idea of

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living a healthy life is different and that's okay. So

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for us changing the name from keep It Cleaner to Kick,

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that was a big one because we no longer had

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this I suppose strong. We didn't think the word cleaner

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really approached the holistic approach that we have with the

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fitness and mindfulness and everything involved, and kick being such

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a short, punchy word as well, it just felt more

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fun and powerful and bold, which is the.

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Direction we're going.

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So it was a really exciting rebrand because it meant

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that we can just be louder in the space and

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we've made it our mission to be so we've kind

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of publicly said this is what we're going to do.

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Hold us to account, and we're really excited about it,

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and it got a really really great response, which we're

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really proud of.

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I was really excited when I saw that as well,

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and just being really even the fact that you go

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girls with sorry girls, young women, that sounds it's fine.

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I'm one of those people that don't get offended by that.

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Girls. But even with the audience that you have, just

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saying you know, the word clean or cleaner is you know,

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it's loaded and it's not the messaging that we want

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to send. Like there'd be a lot of people who

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would go, oh, actually, like maybe I hadn't even thought

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about that, but that's but it's true, Like we need

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to change how we communicate the language that we use

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to be aligned with you know what the mission is,

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which is that holistic health and well being.

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So I was excited to see it.

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Yeah, thank you.

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I mean, I think I think the word clean it

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definitely has its like problematic things, and it can trigger

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people in very different ways. And I think I think

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those areas where it's still necessary and it still makes sense,

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Like but at the end of the day, with what

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we do holistically, it didn't. And so yeah, we're really

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really comfortable and happy with that that way forward.

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You and law Laura have been friends for such a

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long time now and now you run this business together.

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I mean it's an.

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Empire basically, but how do you manage being business partners

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and best friends? How do you manage conflict. Have there

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been points of difference. I'm just curious to understand how

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you keep those boundaries.

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It's an interesting one and I know why it comes

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up a lot because I have had experience where working

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with friends hasn't gone, you know, the most amazing way,

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and so I know it's not for everyone, and it

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doesn't work for every friendship, but for Laura and I

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think we were so aligned from the very beginning of

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what we wanted from Kick and who we wanted to

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reach and yeah, the impact that we wanted to have.

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We're so aligned and all of that, and we still

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are now that that has been our biggest driver, and

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that's our biggest why So I think you know, when

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you go into business with someone and it's about money

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or it's about success or you know, labels and all

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that sort of stuff, that's when things can get you know,

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a bit dark and you know, not so great. But

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because it's not about that for us, and it's just

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about helping as many people as we can and reaching

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them in many different ways and using our different unique

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strengths to do that. It's that's what's kept it really strong.

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But I would say through that process there's been a

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lot of a lot of communication. We talk every single day,

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and we talk really, really openly, and we've learned over

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the years. At any time we've held on to anything

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because you know, maybe we don't want to put something

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else on the other person's plate, because we know they're

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already busy and we don't want to stress them out,

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and it's probably something we're overthinking, so we've try and

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push it to the back of our minds and just

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move on. Anytime and the rest have done that, it's

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only boiled up to something worse, and then when we

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finally had the conversation, it's all fine and like it

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was all kind of most of it was in your

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head and if anything was.

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In fact true, you can work through it.

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And so that's something we've learned, and I think that

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only comes with experience and years of working together. Again,

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I think it's becoming more and more important that these

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conversations have had At the bigger we are getting, you know,

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we're talking about raising money and talking to investors, and that's.

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Like a whole different kettle of fish.

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Because Laura and I currently are the only shareholders of

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the company, so obviously when it comes to raising money

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and having other people on the board and all that

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sort of stuff. It's different business changes and yeah, so

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we've definitely made sure that you know, our friendship is

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incredibly important through this process, and you know, honesty with

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each other and open communication is what's kept us strong.

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It's lovely to watch the friendship.

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I think that's a friendship that many people aspire to

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throughout your business evolution. Step you on a personal level,

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have got married, You've had a baby, Little Harvey just

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turned to right, and you are the breadwinner in your family.

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You've spoken openly about this. I'm curious to know how

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much discussion was there with Josh about that decision for

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him to be the stay at home parent and for

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you to be the working parent. Was it a no

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brainer or was it something you kind of had to

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work through.

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Well, So, to take it back to I suppose the

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scene of where we were at in life. We were

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in the middle of COVID in Melbourne, where both of

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our lives had shifted quite dramatically. We were both living

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very spontaneous lives that often took us into state or

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overseas monthly even weekly, and we were outside of kick

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we were also a part of another business, which Josh.

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That was his day to day throughout this time.

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We were coming to a point where Kick was going

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so well, which was obviously so amazing, but it was

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getting to a point where I wasn't able to be

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involved in that other business and Josh's I suppose love

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for it wasn't there. And when we were talking about

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having a child, it was also the reality of trying

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to both balance our own businesses at the same time

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with having a kid. Whether or not we wanted to

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do that, and for a period of time, we wanted

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to make it work, and so when I was pregnant,

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we were both still working on that business. But I

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think towards the end, when everything was happening with Kick,

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and I knew that I wouldn't like my matt leave

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was going to look very different to others. And I mean,

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I did have a very good matt leave, and I'm

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very happy with the balance that I was able to have,

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especially within that first year, but.

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You know, I was like I was missing out so

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much in work.

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I put myself in the weekly meetings from I think

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when he was like two or three weeks old, just

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so I could be up to date with everything, I

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just didn't have the day to day responsibilities, you know. Yeah,

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So we made that decision and Josh decided to leave

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that company. We both did, and so that obviously opened

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up a lot of time for him, and we did

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have a discussion of like, you know, is there something

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else that you want to get into. He's got a

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background of project management in shop fitting, which he did

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for like eight years, so he had kind of options

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of where he could go. But he was really really

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excited about the idea of being a father and kind

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of taking that you know, stay at home dad roll on.

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And I was really excited about it too, because I

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think for me going back to work, having Harvey was

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I always knew I wanted to be a mom. I

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knew it was something from a very young age. I

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knew I wanted to be a mom, and I wanted

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it to happen early. But I think as soon as

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I had Harvey, I was like.

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Wow, this is so fulfilling. He just changed my life

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for the better in so many ways.

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And so I think I like, I obviously I acknowledged

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that I'm so fortunate I would have had the choice

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to have gone back to work. And I chose to,

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and I wanted to because Kick fulfilled me in a

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whole other way. And I'm obviously it was my first

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baby in so many ways too. But I think just

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having an honest conversation with Josh where I knew that

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my involvement with Kick was going to be more than

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just like a nine to five or I could which

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off outside of work hours, because when you're a business owner,

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you're just so consumed by it all. I kind of

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was really comforted by the idea of him taking on

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a lot of the home responsibility and harvey responsibility as

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my partner, and.

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He was just so stoked by it. So it was

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kind of a no brainer.

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And I think when we were telling friends and family,

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close friends and family, they understood. But at the same time,

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it's not something that's common in any of our friends

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and family. We were also the first in our closest

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friendship groups to have a child as well, so that

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was different. But I think the one difference was like

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a lot of people were kind of asking Josh, oh, yeah,

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but like what's next, or you know, they were thinking

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it was kind of just an interim because he left

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the other business until he figured out what he wanted

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to do.

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He'll just do this for a little bit, but he

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was like, oh no, I'm kind.

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Of doing this for the foreseeable future, and like maybe

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you know kindergarten, which again we're fortunate to do that.

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We're in that position where we can do that.

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I think it was just about having an open communication

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about it, and we've had to have that conversation again

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and again I've reminded him that if at any point

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he you know, has that itch, because we don't necessarily

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have to have two incomes, but if he wanted to

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have something else to go through, and like, you know,

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it's a lot on your mental load to be a

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stay at home parent, it's and your physical I think

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people who stay at home are incredible what they do,

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and it's definitely its own job and its own right.

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But we've had that chat about like if he wanted

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to if an opportunity came up and he wanted to

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take it, like what was that would that look like?

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And would we get Harvey into daycare and all that

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sort of stuff. But he's so happy right now and

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he's killing it and he's he's loving it.

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So for now, this is this is what we're doing.

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But yeah, we'll see and obviously, like the world is

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changing and that everyone knows what's happening with inflation and

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everything right now, so we'll obviously have to keep an

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eye on that like everyone else is. But yeah, I

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think for now, he's just doing such a good job

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and it's helping me mentally as well, knowing that they're

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having this.

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Beautiful bond at home every day.

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And I think the biggest fear I had was being

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the working parent. Would I not have that kind of

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like mother mother son, I don't know, relationship to a

472
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mother that might have spent more time at home, But

473
00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.880
that's absolutely not the case. Like, we've definitely still got

474
00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:16.240
a very very special bond and a different one to

475
00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:19.240
what he has with Josh. So it's been nice and

476
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:20.480
reassuring going through that.

477
00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:25.440
Yeah, I remember when I was the stay at home

478
00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.559
parent and I went back to UNI really early, I

479
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.160
don't know, eight or nine months, needed to get out

480
00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:34.119
of the house, but I remember feeling really resentful sometimes

481
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.400
when my husband got to just walk out the door

482
00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:39.519
and I didn't, And so I guess I was curious

483
00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.400
to know has that come up in reverse, Like has

484
00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.680
there been moments where I understand Josh loves it and

485
00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.319
I obviously loved being with my daughter as well, but

486
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:52.400
have there been those moments where he's not loved it?

487
00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.480
Yeah, I think I think what's been really refreshing for

488
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:58.519
it to be reversed, and I suppose against what has

489
00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.680
been traditionally expect in society, is that I've had girlfriends

490
00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:04.759
who have had kids, and I know what they've gone

491
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.319
through as the stay at home parent with a partner

492
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.279
who has a full time job and isn't necessarily around

493
00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.240
all the time, and the kind of struggles and stuff

494
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.119
that they go through and trying to find time to

495
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.640
exercise or time to get a drink with a girlfriend,

496
00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:19.960
like just the small things in life and how hard

497
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.440
that is to fit in. And so I think going

498
00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.279
into this, I was like, Okay, no, we are going

499
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.200
to have this balance. Like from the get go, just

500
00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.440
because I'm the working parent doesn't mean that I don't

501
00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:30.799
help around the house or I don't, you know, look

502
00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.279
at things for Harvey, like his appointments and his school

503
00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:35.359
stuff and all that sort of stuff. And just because

504
00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:37.319
I'm the working parent doesn't mean I can just call

505
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.720
Josh and being like hey, I'm going out for dinner tonight,

506
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.359
I'm not going to be home. It's like, let's talk

507
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.839
things through, schedule things in with each other. And I

508
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.759
actively try and almost push Josh to make plans so

509
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.279
that he gets out of the house and sees friends,

510
00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:55.400
because that's another way we're pretty different, is I recharge

511
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.279
with alone time and he recharges seeing and communicating with

512
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.279
other people. And because he's with a toddler all day

513
00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.480
and none of his friends, not sorry, not a lot

514
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.920
of friends of his are available to see throughout the week,

515
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.599
he kind of craves that social time to recharge.

516
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.000
And so I'll often be like, are you going to

517
00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:16.039
make plans this weekend? Just like let me know, and

518
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:17.400
we'll do that both ways.

519
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.640
And like, for example, I've made sure that in the mornings,

520
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:23.000
he's got priority to go to the gym if he

521
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.400
wants to, because I'm happy to soak up that time

522
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.039
with Harvey before I've got to go to work. And

523
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:29.880
I will just make because I literally follow our workouts

524
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.640
on the kickapp and I do them from home, so

525
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.039
I can just fit that in around my work schedule

526
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.759
or even in the land room with Harvey if I

527
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.440
have to I've wanted to kind of encourage Josh to

528
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.880
take that time out for himself before a full day.

529
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.119
So I think for us, it's more about just like

530
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:50.839
having those very even split expectations, having conversations about everything.

531
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:53.559
And I think we can all take a lot of

532
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:58.039
inspiration from same sex couples because it's something that they

533
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:00.720
often would have to have these conversation is about, because

534
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.799
it's not like there's some society societal norm of.

535
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:04.519
Like who does what?

536
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.000
If those conversations would be so open, and I think

537
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.480
that's something that we could all learn a lot from.

538
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.680
Yeah, true, so true? And what about the public feedback

539
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:14.519
about that decision?

540
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:14.839
Stuff?

541
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:16.640
Like you've talked about this as well, So.

542
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.240
What kind of negative I guess you're a female founder

543
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.920
and a CEO of a company, you're a full time

544
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.839
working parent with a stay at home partner in both

545
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.960
of those roles as a businesswoman and even as a mother, Like,

546
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.680
what is the pushback that you I don't mean pushback,

547
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.640
I mean feedback from the public. Have you experienced kind

548
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:39.160
of gender discrimination in business? And I guess then I'll

549
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.319
go on and say, like what kind of feedback do

550
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:42.839
you get as a as a mum.

551
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.960
Yeah, in business, I have a funny relationship with it

552
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.480
because like I try not to let it get to me.

553
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:53.039
And it's not always from men either, Like a lot

554
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.720
of the time judgment can come from other women. But

555
00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.119
I think for me it's just I know not everyone

556
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.799
I don't know maybe understands my value or what I

557
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.799
do to day to day, and that's okay. I think

558
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:07.960
it used to really annoy me and I feel like

559
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.200
I needed to prove myself, but now I just I

560
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.680
know what I do, and I suppose the people that

561
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.599
I care about their the opinions that matter the most

562
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.480
to me. But I suppose when it comes to gender discrimination,

563
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.319
I mean there's definitely boardrooms we've sat in with a

564
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.839
lot of you know, comly middle aged white men who

565
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.319
almost want to pat you on the back like a

566
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.359
little girl after you show a certain presentation and just yeah,

567
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.279
the tone of voice and way of talking to you,

568
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.200
talking down to you. You just couldn't imagine them doing

569
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.200
it to your male counterpoint part. So that's absolutely something

570
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.799
that happens. But again I think it I either ignore

571
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.720
it or sometimes it just ignites a little fire in

572
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.920
my maley to be like, well, yeah, it's fine then

573
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:54.440
you know, you know, But when it comes to being

574
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.440
a mum and the judgment I've received, I think there's

575
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:02.480
just people who are so stuck in traditional I think views.

576
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.039
Of what a mother or what a good mother is.

577
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:07.640
And I think what I've learned from being a mum

578
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.880
myself is that there is so many ways to do it,

579
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.519
and not just being mum. There are so many ways

580
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.319
to parent and you've just got to figure out what

581
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.640
works for you, and not everyone is going to agree

582
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:17.279
with what you do.

583
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.000
And there is a lot of people who.

584
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.720
Didn't agree with Josh being the story at home parent

585
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.160
and me going back to work because they thought that

586
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.279
there was some sort of I don't know, by nature's

587
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.000
course bond that I was missing out on as a mother,

588
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.319
and that kind of thing was thrown around towards the beginning.

589
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.319
But I think it's quiet and down as I've been

590
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.519
louder about not letting it affect me, because the truth is,

591
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.559
when I was feeling whenever I am feeling insecure or guilty,

592
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.200
I'm in This morning, I literally cried.

593
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:46.759
I had a hard morning. This morning.

594
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.240
I was feeling mum guilt hardcore because more often than not,

595
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.920
I can leave the house and drive out that driveway

596
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.279
and Harvey is happily waving at me and saying buye.

597
00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.240
Mom, by mom, love you, and it's all good.

598
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.000
But today was one of those days where he did

599
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.279
not want me to go, and he was crying and

600
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.480
screaming and reaching out to me, and my heart was

601
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.160
like breaking.

602
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.160
As I was leaving, it felt worst.

603
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.200
And I got to the office and not only that,

604
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.480
but I also felt like the whole way to the office,

605
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.720
I was thinking about how much better my morning could

606
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.519
have been with him, how much more engaged I could

607
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:24.680
have been, how I should have put my phone away

608
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.519
and played more games with him and made the most

609
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.039
of that time, like what are you doing?

610
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:29.279
And judging myself.

611
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.759
And I got into the office and saw Kat, who

612
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.279
was literally our first employee and kick and still works

613
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.039
with us, and she's the mother as well similar age

614
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.079
little boy, and she was talking about a hard night

615
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.240
she's had because he's unwell, and we were talking about

616
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:45.839
our mornings and she said, oh, I saw because actually

617
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.279
ended up doing a story about it. She's like, I

618
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.279
saw your story, and it just it hit home for me.

619
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:50.839
And then I just started crying with her and I

620
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.960
was like, I'm sorry to but it's just like that

621
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.240
mum guilt still hits me. So I think on days

622
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.680
like today, if I get those comments, that can still

623
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.400
trigger that insecurity or that feeling of guilt, and I

624
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.680
can still feel really shit about it. But on good days,

625
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.920
I know that what I'm doing is totally fine and

626
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.880
really healthy and I don't care what anyone else thinks. Yeah,

627
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.440
but it definitely can still hit me on certain days.

628
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.640
Yeah, like all of us, I mean, we've all. I

629
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.839
saw your story and I thought, oh my god. I

630
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.680
mean I have had that same experience, like leaving my

631
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:31.039
daughter at daycare and just like crying all the way

632
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.640
to wherever I was going, like what am I doing?

633
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.640
I think every mother experiences that. So I think that's

634
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:39.640
a mother thing. Do you and dads feel that. I've

635
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.880
often talked. I've often talked to women in my community

636
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.960
about this, Like people took I read somewhere online parent

637
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.359
guilt because I was looking up mum guilt and I

638
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.559
was like, what the fuck's parent guilt. It's a mother thing,

639
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:52.720
it's mother guilt.

640
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:54.359
Yeah, would you agree?

641
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.839
I think it's funny, right, because it's often like I

642
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.279
do think this often because Josh will talk it about,

643
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.400
you know, needing us time and like we should book

644
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.279
in a weekend away and like just have some time together.

645
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.400
And I think that's been the really hard thing for us,

646
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.359
is trying to carve out time for each other again

647
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.039
and nurturing our relationship as a couple, not just as

648
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.359
a family. And I think, you know, when those kind

649
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:21.160
of conversations come up, my mind instantly goes, well, weekends.

650
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.400
Usually my time with Harvey, So can we maybe just

651
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:26.839
make it one night, or like can he come with us?

652
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.440
Or and Josh is kind of like, you know, but

653
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.279
we really need this time, So I think, but that

654
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.119
could just be as well that Josh is with him

655
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.200
all week and he's like ready to handball.

656
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:36.799
Into someone else.

657
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.440
But I do think there's like a little bit of

658
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:44.759
a difference where maybe he's like not as anxious or upset,

659
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.640
but in saying that, there's been times where you know,

660
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.440
Josh might have had to be away for a couple

661
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.359
of nights and he'll be like, oh, I really missed

662
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.279
Harvey or I really miss Harvey. So I think definitely

663
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.240
they still feel it, but whether it's to the emotional

664
00:30:58.359 --> 00:30:59.200
level that mothers do.

665
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:02.000
I don't know. I haven't seen enough of that, but

666
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.200
it is. It is quite funny because yeah, that's the

667
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:06.119
hardest part, is.

668
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.359
Like when you have to put time aside for both

669
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.039
your relationship, but then also you want to soak up

670
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:13.559
that time with your with your kids.

671
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:15.599
It's it's a hard one to balance.

672
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.559
Yeah, it really is. And there's they're little for such

673
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.599
a short period of time. And I know everybody says that,

674
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.559
and I remember people used to say that to me

675
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.720
and I go, well, feel a bloody eternity, actually, but

676
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.960
it is you look back in hindsight and go, actually,

677
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.640
you know what that was a really that was a

678
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.880
really short time, and there's yeah, there's there's time later

679
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:37.880
to do all those things. I get what you're saying

680
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.039
that you have to you have to prioritize your relationship

681
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:41.640
as well.

682
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:43.279
It's a tricky balance.

683
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.920
Just switching gears a little bit so talking about your relationship.

684
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.359
But I know you and Laura have a podcast as well,

685
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.000
and you more recently, I think I've noticed that you

686
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:02.559
you share some really vulnerable things like your personal experiences.

687
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:04.920
You took about your relationship, you took about your sex life.

688
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:10.519
How much thought do you put into who's listening As

689
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.920
a fellow podcaster, there are things that I will not

690
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.279
say on my podcast because I don't know if I

691
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.960
want my partner to hear that, or my partners workmates,

692
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.519
or my mum or you know, like there are things

693
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.400
that I just feel like I can't share.

694
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:24.599
How do you decide what's okay to share?

695
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.440
And do you have a conversation with the people around

696
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.319
you and say would this be okay for me to

697
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:29.359
talk about publicly?

698
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:30.200
Yeah?

699
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.799
For sure, it's so I think for anyone that knows

700
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.799
me really well, I'm a pretty open book to my

701
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.799
close friends and family, very very open book. But then

702
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.279
even online, I've always shared so much of my life.

703
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.920
I suppose a podcast is a whole other level, right

704
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.680
because it's not just like a photo or a video

705
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.839
or a caption. It's a whole conversation and you can

706
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.680
really go into depth of for what you're talking about

707
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.160
and share your perspective on things. So it's something Lauren

708
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.039
and I've really enjoyed because it's also our time where

709
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:00.960
we don't actually get to spend a lot of time

710
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.920
on on one together. Even though we work together every day,

711
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.640
we don't always get that time outside of work, and

712
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.880
so sometimes we treat our.

713
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.680
Podcast session as a bit of a catch up catchup.

714
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.200
And it's not to say that we don't also nur

715
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.000
sure of the relationship outside of the way we do,

716
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:18.960
but just sometimes we don't have time. And so I

717
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.440
think what we've done, we've kind of over the years

718
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.880
been dipping our toes in it and realized that, you know,

719
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.839
nothing bad happened when we did, like, nothing groundbreaking or

720
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.200
bad happened when we were a little bit more vulnerable.

721
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.400
If anything, it made a lot more people feel seen

722
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.519
or heard, and people really engaged with it and really

723
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.119
related to what we had to say.

724
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.839
So it's allowed us I supposed to open.

725
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.200
Up more when it comes to opening up that with

726
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:44.480
things that involve other.

727
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.319
People, I e. You know, my sex life, which is

728
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:47.440
obviously with my husband.

729
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:49.920
I will always talk to him before I open up

730
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.759
about something on the podcast and make sure he's okay

731
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.160
with it, and that has been interesting because he's more

732
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.079
private than I am. But I think sometimes when he

733
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.839
is a bit unsure about it, we'll just talk a

734
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:03.400
little bit deeper about it or put it off for

735
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.359
a little bit and then he can kind of come

736
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.159
around and then once it's live, it doesn't bother him.

737
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.519
But I think it's a funny point bringing up your mom,

738
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.639
because my mom is a big fan of our podcast,

739
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.639
Like she listens to every single episode. She's the biggest support,

740
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.159
and so does Laura's mom, and we love them for that.

741
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.559
But like often we'll have to say, like again, Mom,

742
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.880
if you're listening, please skip ahead, or you know, I

743
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.719
might even mess a message her and be.

744
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.519
Like, maybe don't listen to today's episode. But my mom

745
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.199
and I have got a really beautiful relationship, which I'm

746
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.599
fortunate to say. I mean, when I was in high school,

747
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.320
I definitely didn't. I think I was more of a

748
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:41.960
daddy's girl, and I was a bit I was a

749
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.719
bit cheekyer than my mom was, and so I didn't

750
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.480
really like see ey to eye to her a lot.

751
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.639
In high school, we definitely got along and had a

752
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.079
nice relationship, but there's just things just like you just

753
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.679
don't get me, you know. And then now as an adult,

754
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.679
I'm literally turning into my mom and I think she

755
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.280
is like the ultimate human. I look up to her

756
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.679
so much, and so I think we've got this really

757
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.760
beautiful o from relationship now where even if she did

758
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.320
hear about my sex life, it's like we can make

759
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.480
jokes about it and be fine with that.

760
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:13.400
Like she'll what did she say?

761
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.840
She said something I was talking about because she comes

762
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.400
over most weeks to she stays with us Thursday nights,

763
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.480
and then she'll hang out with Harvey Friday mornings and

764
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.199
kind of give Josh a little bit of time off

765
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.239
and have that kind of Nana time and we're just

766
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.920
so helpful and it's always nice to catch up. And

767
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.639
I think there was one time, it was like a

768
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.639
week after a podcast went live about it was either

769
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.199
our thirty day Intwissy Challenge, it was something related with sex,

770
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:42.079
and Mom kind of made this comment like are you

771
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.480
gonna go to bed? She said something that was like

772
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.679
a joke towards us being intimate, and we just, like

773
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.480
Josh melted, but I just thought it was so so funny.

774
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.119
So like, yes, if there's anything that is kind of

775
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.679
involving other people, I make sure they're along for the ride,

776
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.639
make sure they're okay with it if they're not, but

777
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.920
they're okay with me sharing and they just want it

778
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.280
to be anonymous. I'll just say, you know a friend

779
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.039
or a family member, but I always get that approval first.

780
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.559
And yeah, if there's a few things something that I'm like, gay, mom,

781
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.639
please don't listen, I'll just tell her and she'll avoid

782
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.119
that episode. But again, I'm pretty comfortable with I mean,

783
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:23.920
if I can share it to everyone else, I can

784
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.119
share it to my friends and family. But like and

785
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.320
the people who I'd feel uncomfortable about it, like my

786
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:29.119
father in law.

787
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.519
He does not listen to our podcasts, so right, you know, yeah, right,

788
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:34.760
not worried about that.

789
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.039
That's another one.

790
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.519
But that's another one who like but goes out of

791
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.280
his way to like buy my books and wants to

792
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.400
follow everything I'm doing is my eighty six year old father.

793
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.480
So when he's saying to me, how do I get

794
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.639
on this? How do I get onto this podcast? Oh no,

795
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.280
you don't need to worry about how do I listen

796
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.960
to your audiobook? No no, no, that's too technical. I

797
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:57.960
mean not that he couldn't listen to my audiobook. But

798
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.000
he's just I mean, love him, love him for being

799
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.519
so interested. But sometimes it really, it really is a

800
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.440
bit like this is not your audience. Really don't have

801
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.280
to you don't really need to.

802
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:14.800
Yeah, Steph, what's next for Kick, there is so much,

803
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.840
so much planned, I think things that I can share.

804
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.639
Laura and I are gearing up for some pretty exciting

805
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:26.679
chats to do our first raise, and the reason we're

806
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.480
doing that is we've got some really exciting plans to

807
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.239
expand the business.

808
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.159
Globally, yeah, which is really exciting.

809
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.199
But like outside of reaching those markets and all the

810
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.079
work that's involved in that, we've got so much more

811
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.719
we want to do with the product itself and some

812
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:43.679
more technical stuff to do with the app, just to

813
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.599
better the experience for our current users, but also to

814
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.440
make it a better experience for new ones as well,

815
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.800
especially going into those new markets. So yeah, it's really

816
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:56.679
really exciting. Foot's definitely on the pedal right now and

817
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.559
will be for a while, but it's all very very exciting,

818
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.960
and the team's growing. We're at twenty three people now,

819
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.639
which just crazy.

820
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:06.960
Never ever ever.

821
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.000
Thought I would be working in an office every day,

822
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.159
let alone, because I just never saw I saw myself

823
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.960
as a pe teacher or a model, not someone in

824
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.000
an office or you know, running a business with a team.

825
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.039
So it's like anytime we hire someone new as well,

826
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.519
we're like so grateful that someone wants to work with us,

827
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.840
and we're just like, I can't believe that we have

828
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:27.599
this life.

829
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.280
Like we're just so grateful and.

830
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.679
Excited that people are as passionate about what we're doing

831
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:32.800
as we are.

832
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.800
So yeah, there's lots happening.

833
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.320
It's so exciting.

834
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.360
I mean, when you're talking about like raising capital and

835
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.719
expanding globally, it's just I mean, I just I'm so

836
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.280
in awe of the both of you and what you've

837
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:48.480
done on the vision that you have.

838
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:50.480
So congratulations on all of it.

839
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.119
Thank you, Thank you so much.

840
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:53.960
I was just curious tonight.

841
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.320
So when you just said you saw yourself as a

842
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.840
PE teacher, how did that go, like letting go of

843
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:03.280
that kind of you know vision and shifting gear.

844
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.639
So I suppose for me, when I was in high school,

845
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:13.320
I always had interest in you know, arts, design, food, health,

846
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.800
pe and as it was kind of coming to that

847
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.000
point where we had to decide on what direction you

848
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.920
were going to go, everything was pointing to, you know,

849
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.880
primary school teacher or PE teacher because I loved kids,

850
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.599
and I loved education and health and well being, and

851
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.480
so I felt like that fit. I also wasn't like

852
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.360
incredibly academic in the way that I knew that I

853
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:37.079
was realistic with my interscore and knew that there wasn't

854
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.920
going to be anything I could pursue that was like

855
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.199
law or a doctor's degree or anything like that. Not

856
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.360
that I had much interest in going there anyway, but

857
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.719
that's kind of where I were sitting, and I was

858
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:49.440
going to be really happy to go down that path.

859
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.840
But then I had this kind of interest from a

860
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.800
very very young age in the modeling space. I used

861
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:58.079
to love dance and acting and all sorts of different arts,

862
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.559
but modeling was something that really always kind of interested me.

863
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.159
And my parents were incredibly supportive to the point of,

864
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.159
you know, supporting me through a gap year where I

865
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.199
still kind of figured out what direction I wanted to

866
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.079
go with my studies. And in that gap year, I

867
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.440
started modeling, and I was just really fortunate that I

868
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.760
picked up some good, regular clients and was working quite

869
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.360
regularly and making good money and meeting credible people and

870
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:27.039
having amazing experiences and starting to travel. I suppose got

871
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:31.119
the bug for the modeling life and decided to pursue that.

872
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.199
So I never went to UNI. I've never studied anything.

873
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.000
I just I think it's something that I find incredibly

874
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.280
inspiring for people that have and I love that. You know,

875
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.960
my best friend, my co founder, she did ten years

876
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.760
of law just so that she could finish it and

877
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.880
get her degree, and that is just incredible.

878
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.079
The motivation to finish was.

879
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.760
Like outstanding, Like she doesn't even know if she'll ever

880
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.400
use it, but for her, it was just really important

881
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.679
that she finished it. So even through everything that we

882
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.599
would doing, she was still doing it on the side

883
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:03.800
and just took her time with it, and I found

884
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.639
that incredible. But for me, I think I had a

885
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.760
lot of There's a lot of doubt put on me

886
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.480
from a young age because I didn't have that same

887
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.880
kind of drive or that same academic strength, and a

888
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.840
lot of people told me I wasn't going to go anywhere,

889
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.199
especially when I started to talk about either going to

890
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.280
takee or you know, getting into modeling. There was a

891
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.079
lot of doubt put on me for an early age

892
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.920
that it just I was never really going to inspire

893
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:27.480
to anything.

894
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.800
And so I think for me, I showed them.

895
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:33.760
I mean, I just I love to.

896
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.039
Talk about it because I don't want anyone feeling like

897
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.960
if they're coming to the end of school or they're

898
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.000
trying to decide what direction they're going if they don't

899
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.199
like There's so many different ways that you can carve

900
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.000
out your life and experience things. And for me, through

901
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:50.679
the industry that I went down, I learned a lot

902
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:54.000
about marketing, you know, design working.

903
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:54.880
I was working with.

904
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.519
Adults from a really young age and had to grow

905
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.440
up really quickly, and so there was a lot of

906
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.719
things that I learned through experience. And then when it

907
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:04.480
comes to running the business, I mean, we're constantly surrounding

908
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.119
ourselves with mentors and talking to different founders and all

909
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:09.519
that sort of stuff, But at the end of the day,

910
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.159
we are learning on the go and that for me

911
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.960
is the best way that I learn. And I think

912
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.280
just to anyone that's kind of doubting if they're ever

913
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.920
going to be able to achieve anything great without going

914
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.920
to UNI. There is so many different ways, and if

915
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.519
you choose go to UNI, amazing, But just know that

916
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.280
you're not going to be like you don't It doesn't

917
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.760
mean that you're not going to equate to anything if

918
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:34.280
you choose to do it differently. It's something that I

919
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:35.280
like to talk to you.

920
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:37.960
That's a great message.

921
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.719
That's a great message to share because I think, you know,

922
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.519
my daughter's seventeen at the moment, she's in her last

923
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.440
year of high school. We've moved overseas, like lots has

924
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.480
changed in her life, and I, even as a parents,

925
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.199
sometimes get that like, oh my god, what is she

926
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:51.519
going to do? I don't know, I don't know what

927
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.440
she's interested in. Like then she doesn't know what she's

928
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.400
interested in. But I try to remind myself and remind

929
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.480
her she doesn't have to have it figured out. But

930
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:00.960
it can feel like you can feel like you do

931
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.960
have to have it figured out. You can you feel

932
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.280
that pressure, Yeah, for sure that you have to, you know,

933
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.400
go off and study or learn something, or you'll equate

934
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.920
to nothing. And that's a fabulous message, So thank you

935
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:11.400
for sharing that.

936
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.159
Oh of course, I think it just comes down to,

937
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.119
you know, there's obviously a lot of people.

938
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.039
That are driven to always do better and be better.

939
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.880
And I think something that inspires me about my mum

940
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.280
is I think something she values in life is being content,

941
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.000
you know, like not necessarily always having to strive for

942
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.960
more or the grass is always greener. She was always

943
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.639
really supportive of whatever you want to do in life,

944
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:34.880
just make sure you enjoy it, and that was kind

945
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.920
of why she was so open to me having a

946
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.800
yup year and trying modeling, or you know, my brother

947
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:41.519
was looking at being like.

948
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:43.480
A golfer for a period of time, like different things

949
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:43.679
like that.

950
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.480
It's like, Okay, we'll support you because you really enjoy it,

951
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.320
and if you enjoy it, then you'll probably stick to

952
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.599
it and sustain it. If you push yourself to do

953
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.119
something you don't enjoy only because you think it's I

954
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.119
don't know, going to please someone else or something like,

955
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.440
you know, you're not likely to hold onto it very long, or.

956
00:43:58.440 --> 00:43:59.800
If you do, you might not be that happy.

957
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.960
So I think that was something I was always really

958
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.000
grateful for having that kind of support in finding what

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really fulfilled me. And I'm so glad I did, because

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you know, modeling might have not been the end thing.

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At the end of the day, it was my dream

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and I was so I couldn't believe I could live

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it for the period of time that I did, especially

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as a full time job, but and it was amazing.

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Definitely had its downfalls, but it had its perks too.

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But I think now with what we do at kick,

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I'm so fulfilled in a totally different way that I've

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found you know, my purpose and what and what I'm doing.

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It just fulfills me so much.

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Whereas in high school, I could not have imagined this

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like I would.

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There's no way I could.

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Have fathomed like, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to

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have a tech company. You know, we're going to have

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our own app and we're going to reach you know,

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thousands of people every day. And it's just like, no,

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I have twenty people in the team with me.

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No, I just wouldn't have couldn't have even fathom.

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So yeah, just believe in yourself and believe that there

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are many different ways that you can find success and

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define what that success is for yourself.

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Yeah, amazing.

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Thank you for sharing your time with us today on

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the Crapit to Happy Podcast anytime. Like I said at

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the beginning of the show, Steph has very generously offered

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our listeners one month free on the kickapp, so you

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can download the app wherever you get apps. It is

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called kick kic or go to kickapp dot com to

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find out more and the discount code to use for

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your one month free trial is Kick one month. That

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is kic number one month, m o NTH I will

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put it in the show notes so that you don't

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get it wrong.

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Using that code, you can access everything.

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That the health and Wellness app has to offer, including

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over one thousand plus workouts, recipes, meditations, and so much more.

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Very generous.

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If you'd like to connect with Steph, you'll find her

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over on Instagram. Steph Claire Smith obviously come and connect

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with me on Instagram.

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Cash done, underscore XO.

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If you enjoy this episode, please do share with your

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friends and hit that little plus button on Apple or

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That's it from me today.

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I cannot wait to catch you next week for another

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episode of Crappy to Happy