May 29, 2023

Creating more time with Melissa Ambrosini and Nick Broadhurst

Creating more time with Melissa Ambrosini and Nick Broadhurst
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Season 9 Mindset Positive Psychology

Melissa Ambrosini is the bestselling author and host of the podcast, The Melissa Ambrosini Show. Named a 'self-help guru' by Elle Magazine, Melissa is on a mission to inspire women to create the most exciting and meaningful life possible. Her latest book, Time Magic, was co-authored with her singer, songwriting, film producing, former Sneaky Sound System member, husband: Nick Broadhurst.And with all the success these two have, on top of parenting an active toddler, we are going to catch up with Melissa and Nick to find out how we can reclaim and redistribute our time so we can focus on what really matters.
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A listener production.

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Melissa Ambrosini is a best selling author and host of

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the top rated podcast, The Melissa Ambrosini Show. She's been

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named as self help Guru by Elle magazine and she's

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on a mission to inspire women to create the most

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exciting and meaningful life possible.

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So we have that in common.

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Her husband, Nick Broadhurst, is a singer, songwriter, film producer,

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former member of the ARIA Award winning band Sneaky Sound System.

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Together they are entrepreneurs, they're building a house, they're creating,

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they're parenting and active toddler.

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So how do they do it all?

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Melissa and Nick have teamed up and co authored their

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latest book, Time Magic, which is a radical new way

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to rethink your approach to time and change your life.

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Here's my conversation with Melissa and Nick.

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Melissa and Nick, thank you so much for joining me

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today on the Crappy a Happy Show. I love the title,

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Thank you. It does get a lot of positive feedback.

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That title alone has won some guests over. I've randomly

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emailed somebody and said.

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Will you come on my podcast? And this with a

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name like crap or Happy? How could I say no?

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You guys are well known in the wellness space in

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Australia and internationally. So I'm really curious that you have

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now written a new book all about managing I'm going

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to say managing I know it's called time magic, we'll

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talk about that, but managing time.

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So I'm really curious to know.

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How do you see the association between how we use

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our time and our health and well being.

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It's a good question, and really, you know, health and

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wellbeing is everything, right, time is also everything. Yeah, they're

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so so importantly they work hand in hand together. It's

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one of the reasons why in this book we spoke

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a lot about health as well in relation to time.

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So we do cover a lot of health stuff in

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the book, but also longevity as well, because we wanted

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people to realize that, you know, there are options these

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days for technology. Not talking about stem cells and you know,

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cryo chambers or anything. I'm talking about using technology to

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liberate your time on a day to day basis, but

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also using the advancements and the simple things we can

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do every day to live a longer, happier life. So

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for me, I just I think they're actually completely tied together.

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What is time without health?

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True?

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So time for us is something which we've had to

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learn to get better and better over the years. I'm

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not going to say master it, because you know, it's

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a constant, ongoing process. But we did manage to create

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a life for ourselves which became normal for us, but

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we were very clear that it wasn't normal for a

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lot of people. We'll get a lot of questions from

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friends and family, How on earth do you do it all?

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How do you run your businesses, do your music go

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on to or have investments build? How be a far,

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a father or a husband? Blah blah blah blah. It

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came up so often, and as we shared this information,

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we realized, oh, there's really something powerful here, and that

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was really the birth of time Magic, was wanting to

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share what we're learned and accumulated together over the years.

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I mean, it's one of people's biggest struggles, isn't it,

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Never feeling like there is enough time, but at the

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same time feeling like we are. I mean, we just

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lose so much time to not being as productive as

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we can be. What do you see is the biggest

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mistakes people are making or the biggest challenges that they're

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facing when it comes to this like how do I

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make more time?

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Like? How do I get more out of my day?

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How do I fit it all in?

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It's not so much about losing yes, it is, I

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guess about losing time. It's about unconsciously wasting time, which

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a majority of people are doing, unconscious wasting our life.

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We only get one The average person lives to seventy

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nine years. For us, that is way below what we're

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aiming for. We're going for one hundred and twenty, and

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anyone who reads Time Magic can learn how to go

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for one hundred and twenty as well, And we actually

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teach you in the book. If you follow our time

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Magic tricks Time Magic principles, you can reclaim up to

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sixteen years of your life, which we can talk more about.

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But I think a lot of people and we have

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been there too, unconsciously waste time.

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The reason they're doing that.

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Is because firstly, they haven't taken the time to get

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really clear on what are their core values, what is

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actually important to you, How do you want to live

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your life? What is your dream life? What does that

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look like for you? So firstly we're not even stopping

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to ask those questions, and we have to ask them

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regularly because of the different seasons we're in in our life.

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Like you ask me those questions, now I have a

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very different answer to before I had a baby. Yeah,

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you know, everything is shifted for me. So I think

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the first thing we need to do is really ask

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ourselves those questions, like what is important to me? Is

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it spending more time with my family and friends, or

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is it creating the best online program or the best

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supplement range or the best app And for some people

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that is what they're lit up by. There's absolutely no

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rules here, there's no right or wrong. All we have

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to do is just ask ourselves these questions and get

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really honest and clear with what is important for you.

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In this season of your life.

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Then from there, once you have the answers, then you

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can create your day, your ideal day, in accordance to

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those core values. To live and be in alignment with

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those core values is the best place to stop wasting

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your time.

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It's the first place to start.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I Actually in your book, there's a pie chart, which

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you know, takes those seventy nine years and shows you

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very visually where a lot of those years are going

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by the way of a graphic of a slice of

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pie and.

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I was actually reading it and my teenage.

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Daughter came past, and I said, how many slices of

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pie do you think you.

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Are spending on your phone?

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And you know, I could have asked myself the same question,

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to be honest, but we all project onto our teenage children.

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Now, what is it.

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It's like thirteen years, I think, is what it says.

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And that's every second of every minute of every day

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for thirteen complete years. I mean, just that in it

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self is so confronting, isn't it.

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Yeah, And if you consider that we spend not even

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two years of our life.

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At school, yeah right right, yeah.

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Back to back, but thirteen on our own.

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It doesn't make sense.

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Like, and so I think you're right, Like, when we

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just actually take a conscious step back and look at

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where in reality is our time going, then from that

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point we're in a position to start making some different choices.

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But you have to start with that, Yeah.

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I think as well.

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You know, when we both had big health crisis in

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our life long time ago, two thousand and nine, twenty ten.

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When you have something like that happened to you all

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of a sudden, it does reshape who you are and

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it does shine a spotlight on potentially a new core value.

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And for us, health became very much.

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A core value.

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It always was for me, but it became central in

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my life because when you lose that vitality in that health,

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you know, you don't ever want to go back there.

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So that core value gets really firmly created. Time is

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very similar. If you go through the process in the

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book with Time Magic and you really look at your life,

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that could be your little mini crisis to shape or

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reform your relationship with time to make time a core value.

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And to be clear, you.

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Know, time Magic is not I know you said management

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before you said you know, it's probably not the right

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word to use, because it's not in the sense that, yes,

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there is time management in the book, but it's called

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time Magic because it's about creating space. It's about creating

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space for the things that you love. Because, as Melissa said,

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we had seventy nine years on average, and how do

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we really want to be spending those years? Is it

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unconsciously doing things or consciously doing the things we love?

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And that's what the book is about, is to create

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the space to do what you want with your life.

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And you know, if you do one thing from the

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book and you get back six months or a year

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even of your life. That is an extremely good investment

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of twenty eight dollars, I would say.

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Yeah, for sure. In fact, you're right.

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Even the seventy nine years was kind of confronting to

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me because I'm like you, I have this idea that,

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of course I'm going to live much longer than that.

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But again, like, unless you are.

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Quite intentional about how you're living, then the reality is

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that that's that's the average, right. Yeah, So we all

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have to be really realistic about that too.

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Absolutely, And that's why we put the health Hacks and

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the Everyday Longevity chapter in the book, because there's no

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point in extending your life to one hundred and twenty

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if you are riddled with disease and cancer and can't

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remember anything like that's not fun for anybody. You know.

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We still want to be running around, we still want

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to be doing yoga, we want to be healthy and vital,

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and it's the things that you do today that will

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make that a reality for you.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Just before we got onto this, I spent the better

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part of five minutes, when I was already running late,

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looking for my necklace. Now you can't see me if

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you're listening to this podcast, but my necklace is around

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my neck, and you know, it's like running around looking

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for your sunglasses when they're on your head. I think

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I waste so much time doing things like that, and

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I think I'm not alone in that. I guess I

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don't know if there's a question in there. I think

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it's just about we have to really kind of I know,

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for me, like just learn to slow down a little bit.

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It's like we by slowing down, we actually create more

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space in our lives and create more clarity and focus

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in our actions as opposed to I think what's different

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about your approach compared to probably other time management approaches

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is that there are a lot about squeezing more in.

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Would you say that that's.

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The difference, that's the distinction instead of trying to fit

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more into our time, about let's actually do less but

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do what matters.

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Yeah.

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And that said, we do go into detail in the

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book with a specific productivity system called tickle flick.

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Yes, So I want to talk about that.

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Okay, let's talk about it.

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Let's talk about that.

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So tick off flick.

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When we started writing this book, I knew that we

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had to have some way that people could manage their

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lives with much less overwhelm. And I had studied productivity

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for years and years and years. I've read thousands and

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thousands of pages on it and ultimately had my own

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way of operating, which I think was simplified version of

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things like getting things done, these sorts of systems. And

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I said to Melissa, look, we've got to do something

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in this book that helps people reduce overwhelm manage their

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life seamlessly.

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But it has to be done in three pages.

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So I sort of set myself the task of creating

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a system based on what I was doing, and that's

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where Tickleflick came from. And it's very very simple. When

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you actually employ this system, you really have no excuse. Well,

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you should really never be overwhelmed ever again.

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Well stressed, that's a big call. That's a big call.

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It is, let's hear about it.

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Well overwhelmed. What is overwhelmed?

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Overwhelming happens when you are, well, there's too much going

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on up here in your head, right, You're trying to

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track too many things mentally, and you don't know what

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to action.

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That's really overwhelmed. For you.

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And it's funny because it actually happened to me yesterday.

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I sat down at the dinner table and I was like, baby,

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I'm really overwhelmed, and I said, tonight, I'm going to

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do something that I don't do very often. I'm going

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to go after dinner and while you go to bed,

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I'm actually going to tidy up my entire tick orf

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flick and get it back into shape. And today I've

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just been like cruising all day because I know exactly

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what I have to do, and it only got to

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that place because I wasn't following my own rules with

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tick or flick, right. So it's incredibly powerful. And that's

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example of if you have a certain amount of time,

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like Melissa has limited time to work, that's how you

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can really laser focus and get done what matters in

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order of priority without any overwhelmed. So it definitely is

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about creating space. But we also show you if you

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have certain number of hours in the day and you

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want to be super productive, we show you how to

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do that as well, So it covers really everything.

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I'm really glad that you mentioned that that even though

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you designed the system and you said you'll never get overwhelmed.

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Did you still got overwhelmed? And I think it's really

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important to be realistic about that. This is not aiming

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for perfection because people, you know, people like, oh, I'll

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never be able to stick to that. I've tried like

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loads of different to do lists and like Asana and

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Monday and click, like there's alls of these different tools

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and apps you can use, which I just find overly complicated.

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Then I just get more stress because I'm paying for

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a tool that I'm not really effectively using. So I

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would love for you to share your simple tick or

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flick system because I will one hundred obviously I've read

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about it in the book, but I will one hundred

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percent be implementing that.

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There's really two apps to think about, and one is

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cool Things, which is for Apple only, so if you're

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on a PC or Android, then you'll have to use another one,

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which we love, which is called to doist. And I'm

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actually currently changing. I talk about in the book that

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I use things. I'm currently changing to do list. Oh

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really purely because I want to bring the entire all

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of our organizations, all our companies into the one system.

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simplify even more and really and teach the team tick

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or flick, so it's all in one system, all together,

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all doing the same process. No excuse for us as

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a team to get overwhelmed, because we know what we're doing,

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we know the order of priority. So ticker flick is

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really quite simple. We start out with basically capturing everything

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that's in your head or on the back of a

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piece of paper or wherever you've got it written down,

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capturing it all into what's called an inbox, so you're

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just getting it all out, just vomit liter just get

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it all out.

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We also call it the brain dump.

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Yeah, well actually call the daily dump.

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And from there you get to process that and put

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it into either a tick or a flick action. So

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when you tick something, it's something which will take you

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one or two minutes to do, so you tick it

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and you get it done and you never look at

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it again. If it's a flick, it's probably because it's

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going to take you longer or there's more than one

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step involved, and you flick that into a project, and

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those projects have orders of priority, and whenever you're doing

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a project, you don't write something like plan wedding, Like,

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that's fifty steps there, right, So you break that down.

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When you have something you need to do, you take

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a new project, you write down every single, tiny little

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thing you can possibly think of that has to happen.

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You put it in an order of priority, and off

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you go, and then you can just very calmly go

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about your way of executing on that project without having

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to think about the project. It sounds simple, and it's

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very similar to something like getting things done. It's it's

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a simplified version of other productivity systems and you just

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have to ask yourself the question do I ticket or

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do I flick it?

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And that's it. It's very very simple.

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And I apply this to my email as well. So

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when I do my email time, I either tick the

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email straight away yep, got the email or whatever I respond,

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or I will flick it, which means forward it to

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someone in my team who will deal with it. Or

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I will boomerang it to come back when I need

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to address it, or I will archive it if.

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I don't need to see it.

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So that's how I can get to inbox zero every

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single day very quickly. I also don't want to spend

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my life in my inbox, So I kind of teach

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people how to communicate with me, and it's definitely not

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in email. I don't want to be writing long emails.

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I think it is the biggest waste of time. So

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send me a voice message, a little quick voice message

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on voxer or something like that.

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I would much rather do that.

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And there's a lot less pressure than having like the

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perfectly curated email with the best punctuation, like I just

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want to say yep, got it, Like I don't want

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to say hi, how are you? Like, you know, all

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of the no, it doesn't true time, you know, just.

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Yep, got it?

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All good, speak to you later, you know what I mean.

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So you can apply to go flick to your email

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as well.

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Yeah, I was really interested in the email kind of

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section of the book as well, because I think a

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lot of as struggle with email overwhelmed. I use Gmail

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like you guys do, and you recommend in the book,

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but there were some things in there that I wasn't

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even aware that I could do so, for example, and

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I think this is really helpful stuff to share with people.

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Apparently in Gmail you can send and at the same

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time like archive it as soon as it's sent. Whereas

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I have got a thousand emails which I have responded

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to or I haven't or whatever, but they're all in

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the same inbox, and then I don't know what to.

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Do with them.

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And I've I've created a thousand folders to store different

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email like to move them into. And somebody said to me,

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I don't think what Gmail you need folders because I

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think that Gmail is It's got a good enough search

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function that you can.

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Find anything you need. Just archive it. Hallelujah like that. Yeah,

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that in itself is life changing.

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One hundred percent.

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I get to email zero every day through this system

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because for me, like having a thousand emails whole, that

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would just like blow my mind with overwhelm.

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And I don't want to delete everything because I often

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need to search back to something from could be ages ago.

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So send an archive.

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Gond an archive gone out of the inbox, s hea later.

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You can also snooze it so it comes back to you. Yes,

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So even if you send an archive, you can snooze

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it to come back if they haven't responded in like

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a week or so or something, so you can go, oh,

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trigger your memory to go, oh, they still haven't responded,

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Maybe they didn't get it, maybe it went to their

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spam or something like that, so you can follow up.

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Yeah, that just to add to that, send an archive

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really should only be used when that's the final action

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for that email thread.

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So what if it's not the final action, then what

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else where.

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Does it go?

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Well, you want to make sure because the thing is

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you don't want to be thinking in a week, oh,

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what happened to such and such they didn't reply. You

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have to think it's taking up brain power. Right, the

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send an archive is okay, this communication is finished, send

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an archive. This one's not. I actually need to know

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if there's a reply. I want to know if there's

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a reply to this. So that's where you send, and

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then you go snooze and you return it tomorrow or

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depends how urgent it is.

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A week, a month.

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You can do send later as well. You can send it,

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write something and send it in a month if you

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want to have a birthday or something like that. So

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there's a lot of things you can do, but every

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single email needs to have a final action, whether that

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is archiving.

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It or snoozing it.

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Yeah, and really it's really not that complicated, but it

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makes a huge difference.

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I said, can you talk about You said, there's the snooze,

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But I was also really interested. This is something I

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did not know about about the boomerang function. So that's

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a separate app right, that you can bring in.

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Can you explain that.

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Yeah, it's just an extension.

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So yeah, you can get that in your email as well,

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which is really great.

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So like, for.

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Example, tickets to a concert, you don't need that sitting

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in your inbox, but you do need it the day

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of the concert, so I will boomerang that to come

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back to me the day of the concert that morning

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on at six pm.

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Yeah, at the time of the concert.

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Yes, So it's right at the top of your inbox

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at the time of the concert when you're going to

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be walking in the door when you need the ticket,

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right at the top of your.

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Email, so you can boomerang it back.

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I use this so often, so often I use boomerang.

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I love it.

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Yeah, for things like that, tickets, flights, all of those

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sorts of things.

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It's just awesome.

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Then it's not sitting in your box causing overwhelmed.

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I hope that you're enjoying this conversation and realizing the

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benefits of positivity in your own life. If you are

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That's cool.

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Speaking of email, Nick, you decided you're off email altogether.

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I'm retiring from email now. This is a dream come

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true for most people. Can you please explain how how

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in this modern world you are able to extricate yourself

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completely from email?

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Well, Cas, you would have seen today there was an

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email thread between el.

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Yes.

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So at the moment, I'm back in the inbox because

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we're building our home and there's a lot invoices and

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design function design decisions to be made, and it's just

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a lot easier for me to be in there and

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making their decisions. So the way I run it at

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the moment, I have my assistant Laura, who basically runs

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the inbox, and if it's for.

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Her, she labels it Laura.

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If it's not, she just leaves it so I know

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it's for me. Whereas before she would handle everything and

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she would slack me if there was a question, and

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if there was a contract to read. She'd say, Look,

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I've left a contract in the inbox for you. It's

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quite lengthy. You might just want to go in there

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and read it. So to fully retire, I think is

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near and possible. Unless I don't know, maybe the President

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of the United States or something. They probably don't do emails.

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Maybe they do. I don't know, maybe they do.

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I'm not I reckon. They probably still answer some.

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But I think reading if you can get your emails

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down to two or three responses a day, to me,

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that's effectively retiring from email.

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As I said, I'm a bit more in it at

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the moment because of our house build.

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But if you go to timemagic dot me and you

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put in your name, an email, and your order number

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of where you purchase the book, we'll send you a

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couple of things. One is over two hours of audio

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of how successful people start their day, and we have

477
00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.319
some of the top scientists, doctors, sports people, thought leaders,

478
00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.640
spiritual leaders around the world sharing their morning routines.

479
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:11.759
It's really freaking cool.

480
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:13.799
And the second thing is we give you the time

481
00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.640
Magic toolkit, and in that toolkit is the actual job

482
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.039
posting that I used to hire Laura oh wow.

483
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:22.279
So you can.

484
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:24.839
Copy it, tweak it, you can post it in something

485
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.680
like upwork dot com and I call it I think

486
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.240
it was an email ninja, and you can find your

487
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:33.160
own email and then you can come in and handle

488
00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.480
it for you, because honestly, there's so many things we

489
00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.480
do not need to be doing ourselves. For example, there

490
00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:47.400
is this incredibly long, outstanding email thread with this royalty

491
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.440
collection agency in America for music. Right Royalty Collections for

492
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:56.039
Music is so complicated and ridiculous. It's crazy and so archaic,

493
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.720
but you have to do it. But do I want

494
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.920
to do forty emails back and forth to try and

495
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.319
get my bank account updated in America?

496
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.079
No? I don't. So that goes to Laura and she

497
00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:11.000
she loves this stuff. She's totally happy to do it.

498
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.119
So and this kind of comes back to that bigger

499
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.440
question that we were talking about at the start, is

500
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.920
like what is important to you, Like what do you

501
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:23.440
love to do? And the things that you don't love

502
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.440
to do, stop doing them or outsource them or delegate

503
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.400
them in your business and in your personal life, and

504
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:34.240
then do more of the things that you do love

505
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.200
that do bring you joy. That whole crowding out, you know,

506
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.519
crowding out of all the things that you don't want

507
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.400
to do in your life. Like that's literally if there's

508
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:44.160
something that I don't want to do, I'm like, no,

509
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.200
I don't want to do it. I'm at that stage

510
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.279
in my lifehere, I'm just like, no, I don't want

511
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.759
to do that. I mean to ask Nick to do it,

512
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.720
or like you know, pay someone to do it or

513
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:57.160
outsource it. And I know that is a luxury. And

514
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.319
you know, you can always do swaps as well with

515
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.839
friends and families. Like if there's something that you don't

516
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:05.480
want to do and there's someone in your life that

517
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.359
loves to do that, swap with them. You do something

518
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:11.960
for them that maybe they don't love to do, like cooking.

519
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.160
You could bake for them whilst you know they do

520
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.680
your tax return or whatever it is. Do some swaps,

521
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.720
get creative outsourced. Life is so precious and so sacred.

522
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.400
Do more of the things that bring you joy and

523
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:27.200
less of the things that don't.

524
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:31.400
Yeah, I think that the both of you have talked

525
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:34.440
about being kind of really caught up in that hustle

526
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.079
culture in the past. Melissa, you talk about having an

527
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.119
identity kind of wrapped up in your productivity. I think

528
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.000
a lot of people will say, well, I don't have

529
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.480
the luxury I have to do it myself. I don't

530
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.359
have the luxury of doing the things that I love,

531
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.319
Like wouldn't that be nice? But I guess what do

532
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.200
you say to those people? Because I sometimes wonder is

533
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:58.640
it really that you don't have the choice, or is

534
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:02.359
it that you don't don't necessarily realize as many of

535
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.279
us don't. There we're actually we've been conditioned into this

536
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.440
kind of rest is Rest is not an option. Relaxation

537
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.039
is lazy, It's a waste of my time. You know.

538
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.160
There's a lot of kind of unlearning deprogramming that has

539
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:17.960
to go on around that I would love for you

540
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.960
to talk about that.

541
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:25.319
So much unlearning, so much reprogramming. And I catch myself

542
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:31.640
to this day still subscribing to some narratives that my

543
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:35.599
true higher self don't believe in. And I'm like, whoa, whoa,

544
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:39.599
whoa whoa whoa is up there? Like why why am

545
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.519
I getting sucked into that narrative? So the first thing

546
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.519
is ask yourself.

547
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.880
Is that what you truly believe? Like do you truly

548
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:50.799
believe that.

549
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:52.960
You have to do it all and only you can

550
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.440
do it and you can't afford it or whatever it is,

551
00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:01.000
do you truly believe those societal narratives? And if the

552
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.400
answer is no, then what do you truly believe? Like?

553
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.960
What is true for you? I think that's the first

554
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:08.519
place to start.

555
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.359
I think a lot of it comes back to inner

556
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.319
mean girl and worthiness, Like what's your in a mean

557
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.680
girl telling you I can't afford this, or you don't

558
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.759
deserve that, or you possibly can't ask for help for X,

559
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.359
Y and z. So that worthiness, you know, really just

560
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.200
going ah, there's my mean girl telling me that I'm

561
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.240
not worthy. You know, everything is a story we tell ourselves.

562
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.720
Sometimes they're really helpful, supportive stories like broccoli and green

563
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.799
smoothies are great for you, eat them, drink them. And

564
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.279
then a majority of the stories we tell ourselves are

565
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:49.400
not supportive, are not helpful, but they're on repeat in

566
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:55.200
our mind over and over again. But when we actually stop,

567
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:04.119
slow down, take a breath, and tune inward, the answer

568
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:05.799
is always there.

569
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:06.960
The answer is.

570
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:11.440
Always within, Like what really resonates with me? What feels

571
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.000
good for me?

572
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:17.400
I think we live in a time where comparison itis

573
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.759
is so rife you know, you just look at your

574
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.440
phone and instantly comparing to all of these other people's

575
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:29.839
lives that aren't the true reflection of someone's life. It's

576
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.279
not the whole picture, it's not the totality of someone's life.

577
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:39.480
Therefore it's not a fair comparison. But yet we still

578
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.400
do it, and it causes so much stress. But when

579
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.599
we actually, like when I slow down and when I

580
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.119
am just in the moment with my daughter, I am

581
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:57.160
at the most piece, the most inner piece, When I

582
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:01.400
am sitting on the floor with her fully present, I

583
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:05.599
am so peaceful, and I'm like, I have made it.

584
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.799
This is it. I've made it. Yeah, I'm done, this

585
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.359
is it. But then I'll look at.

586
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.839
My phone and I'll get stressed out and caught up

587
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.440
and start comparing, and.

588
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.039
Then we need to take a breath again.

589
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.119
And this is why, you know we talk about in

590
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:28.920
the book meditation practices are so important because those practices

591
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.680
are what anchors us back into our true self. And

592
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.839
this is why we need to do it daily so

593
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.960
that we can keep checking back in, get present again,

594
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.920
come back to the present moment, always keep coming back

595
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.359
to that moment. That's why we are such huge fans

596
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.440
of meditation same.

597
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.000
I mean mindfulness and meditation is probably foundational to literally

598
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.799
everything that I teach everybody, and people get sick of

599
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.359
me banging on about it, but you obviously share a

600
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:04.559
similar view. Like you, it all starts with that being present,

601
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.880
recognizing what's happening as it's happening. Otherwise we're just we're

602
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.279
just swept away by all of the noise in our

603
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.640
own head and all of this reactive, reacting, emotionally, reacting,

604
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.519
you know, doing unconsciously, just doing things whether they need

605
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:24.440
to be done or not. So one hundred percent concur

606
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.799
and even as I say that I haven't been doing

607
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.559
my daily meditation lately, and I think that's really important too,

608
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.480
Like we all go off track, like you're talking about

609
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.359
your overwhelm nick and your emails.

610
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.000
You know, we all go off track. And it's not

611
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:37.880
about how far off.

612
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.720
Track you go. It's about how quickly you can recognize

613
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:42.319
that has happened and come back.

614
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.000
And just try as an experiment, asking yourself for the

615
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:50.039
next couple of days or the next week, when do

616
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.680
I feel most at peace? When do I feel most

617
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.359
at peace? What am I doing? Is it in the bath?

618
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.720
Not on your phone. Is it in nature? Is it surfing?

619
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:02.799
Is it meditating?

620
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:04.000
For me?

621
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.000
It's yeah, it's sitting on the floor with my daughter.

622
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.799
It was this morning walking through our guard and holding hands,

623
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:16.240
just chatting with her. Like I literally was like, Yes,

624
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:21.920
this is what life is all about. So asking yourself

625
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.160
where do you feel most at peace? Do more of

626
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.279
those things every day?

627
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:29.839
Yeah? Perfect.

628
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:32.880
I just want to pick up on one thing before

629
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.799
we kind of wrap this up. But when you talked

630
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:40.519
about Nick outsourcing the inbox, I know immediately people and

631
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.160
I know you said it's a luxury Melissa, but I

632
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.599
know immediately people are going, oh, well, wouldn't it if

633
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.599
I can body pay somebody to manage my inbox? I

634
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.319
just want to make the point that many years ago,

635
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:52.680
you guys would have read the same book. Many years ago,

636
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.079
I read Tim Ferris's Four Hour work Week, and in

637
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.720
that book he talked about this wild idea of hiring

638
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:04.160
like a VA in a virtual assistant in the Philippines

639
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.920
or India or somewhere, and he was basically seeing how

640
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.920
much this person could could take on for him to

641
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:14.000
reduce his amount of commitment to doing certain things and

642
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.759
getting sending flowers to somebody in another country and making

643
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.599
bookings for him dinner reservations, and at the time, I thought.

644
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.880
That's ridiculous, as if I'm.

645
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.599
Going to be hiring it.

646
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.440
And fast forward a few years and one of the

647
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.839
first things I did in my business was put an

648
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.920
ad on a website in the Philippines for somebody to

649
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.240
help me with basic admin tasks that would have been

650
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.000
I don't know. I think it's maybe four or five

651
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.640
years ago. She's still with me to this day. I

652
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:45.519
started paying her I think ten dollars Australian an hour,

653
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.119
which was a lot of money for her, and probably

654
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.240
even more than I really needed to I know people

655
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.039
pay less than that, but you know, it seemed comfortable

656
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.599
to me, and she takes so much off my plate.

657
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.240
I'm a small business and you know, I do a

658
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.119
lot of stuff on my own, but she just picks

659
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.359
up so much stuff and she's more than happy to

660
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.480
do it. It supplements her other income. She has another job.

661
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:08.039
And I just.

662
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.880
Encourage people to be a little more open minded about

663
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:12.960
things like that. About there are various ways you can

664
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.480
outsource that are not incredibly expensive. It's not like you

665
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.720
need to hire a full time executive assistant. So I

666
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.359
just wanted to share that, and I guess you've probably

667
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.440
got thoughts on that as well.

668
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.279
Yeah, well, I think what's important about it is, you know,

669
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.640
what can you do with the time that you're saving.

670
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.960
Can you make more than the ten dollars per hour?

671
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:31.640
Exactly?

672
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:33.279
One hundred percent? You can?

673
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.960
One hundred percent And he calls it geo. Tim Ferres

674
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.359
calls it geo arbouitrage where you are basically leveraging the

675
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.920
skills and talents with someone in another part of the world,

676
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.319
but on a much cheaper rate because you're earning a

677
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.599
different currency, and that's global business for you these days.

678
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:52.400
And there's nothing wrong with that because you.

679
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.960
Know you're doing a great service to that person in

680
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.359
their life and giving them stable income. Because I can

681
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.279
tell you we've worked with a lot of Philippine employees

682
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:02.640
and what they want is stability.

683
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.240
The crave stability.

684
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.279
They want to know that they're taken care of and

685
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.360
that they can take care of their family. So for

686
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.000
ten dollars an hour, can you go and do something

687
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.719
else that makes you more than ten dollars an hour?

688
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.840
Of course you can if you live in a Western country.

689
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.440
That is absolutely the reality so it's about opportunity cost

690
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.159
of not doing it.

691
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.440
In my opinion, Yeah, I think that's a really good

692
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.440
point to make as well, to flip how we think

693
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:29.159
about that that you know what, that frees me up

694
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:33.239
to do with my time. Becoming a parent, for me

695
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.679
and for most people, is probably the biggest, single, biggest

696
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.559
blow to our time freedom and autonomy. Suddenly your time

697
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.880
is not your own anymore. You guys became parents a

698
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:49.360
couple of years ago. I'm curious to know how you

699
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.000
have adjusted to that, or how you have used these

700
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:57.440
systems and ideas to maintain that kind of spaciousness in

701
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.599
your life since having a baby.

702
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:01.840
Melissa is going to answer this question, but I'm just

703
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.280
going to say that one of the reasons I got

704
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.079
into productivity is I actually have a seventeen year old son,

705
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.480
and I was a single dad for a long time

706
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.519
and I was doing everything, yeah, and I needed I

707
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:14.639
was running real estate business at the time, and I

708
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.960
had to figure out how to get more done, And.

709
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:18.360
That's why I got into productivity.

710
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.679
But Melissa's got a different Well, I'll let you tell

711
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:23.079
a story.

712
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.320
Yeah, so this is not Nick's first rodeo with kids,

713
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.320
and so yeah, he had Leo half the time. So

714
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.280
as a single dad, like he said, he had to

715
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.119
work it out. He had to work out how to

716
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:43.800
be super productive and still make money. So interesting story.

717
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:50.159
We wrote Time Magic four years ago. Oh and I

718
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.039
was having a meditation, doing a meditation and I got

719
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.920
this intuitive download and the intuitive download said not right now,

720
00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.360
this book is not right now.

721
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:00.599
We'd signed book.

722
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Deal with one of the big biggest publishing houses, HarperCollins,

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and I got this download that said not right now.

724
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You need to go and write Comparisonitis.

725
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Oh wow.

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So we called our.

727
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Agent and I said, not time, I need to go

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write Comparisonitis and get this out into the world. So

729
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I went and wrote Comparisonitis, birthed that and a baby

730
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.119
in the same week.

731
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.519
They came out in the same week. Wow, two years ago.

732
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And then about a year ago, our publisher called us

733
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and said, what have you guys done with Time Magic?

734
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Did you end up repurposing that content, turning it into

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an online program?

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What did you do with it?

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And we said it's still sitting there, about eighty thousand words.

738
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It's still sitting there. And she said, the time is

739
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now for this book post COVID. During COVID, personal development

740
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.639
and any sort of self help book sales went down

741
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because everyone was buying fiction because they wanted to escape.

742
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.199
So it's really interesting that post COVID everyone was out

743
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.639
into the world again. They're wanting to be the best

744
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.039
version of themselves, you know, self help sales and all

745
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:16.760
of these personal development books, time management, time magic books

746
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.159
were doing really well, and She's like, now's the time,

747
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.280
and so we said, okay, we're going to go and

748
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.320
rewrite most of it, which is what we did.

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We kind of.

750
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Rewrote the whole thing well because I had to write

751
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:33.000
this book. And I realized that this all happened because

752
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.639
if it had come out four years ago, I would

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not have written this book through the lens of being

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a mother. And like you said, time completely shifts when

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00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.840
you become a mother, your relationship to time, everything shifts

756
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.679
when you become a mother. So I feel like the

757
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universe was like pull the brakes and just hold because

758
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.800
you need to become a mother to then write through

759
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.880
that lens. So we rewrote most of the book, we

760
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.320
change the title, and then it came out this year

761
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.719
and it's yeah, people are hungry for this information. People

762
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.719
want to live their best life. People want to make

763
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.159
the most of this precious time here on earth, of

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00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.679
this one life that we have been gifted. And this

765
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.039
book teaches you exactly how to do that. It gives you,

766
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.360
it's very practical. It it gives you so many practical things,

767
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.800
but it also gets you to really think about what's

768
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:34.440
important to you with your career, with your family, your relationships,

769
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:38.320
your health. Like it goes through everything, and the feedback

770
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.639
that we've had is mind blowing. It's changed people's life,

771
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.760
completely change their life. And yeah, I feel like I

772
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:48.519
had to become a mum to write it.

773
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.599
Yeah, that's such a cool story.

774
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And also I just want to pick up on that,

775
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.679
like doing a meditation, just having that intuitive sense that

776
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.639
it's not the right time. I'm always encouraging people pay

777
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:04.159
at tention, like pay attention to those little messages. So

778
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.000
many people would say, oh no, but I've got a deal.

779
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:09.199
I can't possibly put this on hold, Like we have

780
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.920
to pay attention because it's our intuition is never, never wrong,

781
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.960
And you're right. The book is it's very holistic in

782
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.480
its approach. It's not just about time, it is about finances, health,

783
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:25.480
how you spend your time, and it is imminently practical.

784
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:27.719
I think we all want a hack or a tip

785
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.800
or an app, and I was just like devouring them.

786
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.679
I'm like, I've already googled up what does it cost

787
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.760
to get things? I've already I'm already looking.

788
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.199
Into like the whole boomerang email system.

789
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.840
So if anybody is looking for that, you will get that,

790
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.599
but you'll also get.

791
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:43.440
So much more.

792
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.880
So thank you guys for coming on the show, and

793
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.559
congratulations on the book and on everything else.

794
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.920
Thank you so much for having us. It's been so

795
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:53.519
much fun.

796
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.199
We could chat for hours, I know.

797
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:58.960
Thank you so much for having us.

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00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.039
Time Magic is available now in all bookstores or if

799
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.599
you want to grab those resources. Nick and Melissa mentioned

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timemagic dot me. Of course, you can follow them both

801
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.360
on Instagram. I will put a link to Melissa's website.

802
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Do check out Nick's music. It is really really something else.

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00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:30.800
of more listeners.

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Come and check me out.

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