Feb. 6, 2019

Finding your why with Kristina Karlsson

Finding your why with Kristina Karlsson
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Season 3 Creativity & Self-Expression Job Satisfaction Positive Psychology

Do you have big dreams for your life? Kristina Karlsson, founder of Kikki-K stores talks with Cass Dunn about how to tap into your strengths, values, find a sense of purpose and have the courage to pursue what matters most to you.Connect with Cass:www.crappytohappypod.comhello@crappytohappypod.com 
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A listener production.

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Hey guys, you're listening to Crappy to Happy. I'm cas Dan.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist, mindfulness meditation teacher, and

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author of the Crappy to Happy books. In this series,

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we look at all the factors that might be making

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you feel crappy and the tools and the techniques that

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will help you overcome them.

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In each episode, I.

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Introduce you to interesting, inspiring, intelligent people who are experts

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in their field, and my hope is that they will

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help you go from crappy to happy. In today's episode,

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I am talking to Christina Carlson, who is the founder

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and creative director of kicki Ka, the global Swedish design and.

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Stationary business that we all know and love.

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Christina has always been a believer in following your dreams,

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and she recently released her book Your Dream Life Starts

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Here to inspire others to dream big and go after

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their dream life. We had a really interesting conversation about

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finding your why and the importance of dreaming. You can't

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help but be inspired by this woman. I walked away

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from the conversation inspired and motivated to dream bigger and

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live a bigger life. I know that you were going

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to love this episode. So you were twenty two when

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you first had the idea or the vision to create

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a Swedish inspired stationary store and to have these stores

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all around the world. I would love to hear, like,

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what led you to that? Where did that come from?

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Yeah? So I was actually twenty two and I arrived

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to Australia. And when I arrived to Australia, I met

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my partner Paul in Austrian Skiva sorta, and I came here,

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you know, thinking I'll stay for a year, you know,

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see how it was. It's you know, it's the other

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side of the world from Sweden, so I wasn't really sure.

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Then I loved I loved being in Melbourne, I loved

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being in Australia, and I loved Paul. So I thought

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I am going to stay here. And if I was

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going to stay here, I had to do something I

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really loved. And that took me.

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A few years to work out what that was.

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Okay, So that was like the crappy part of even

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when I'm saying that, it's I had a lot of

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great time during that time, but it was a searching

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time and I think I was around twenty five, and

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I had to go home a couple of times. My

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little brother was sick in cancer, so I had to

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go home urgently a couple of times. So it was

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a bit of a challenging time in a lot of

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different ways, and also to making that decision.

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And this is before internet.

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It's hard to believe, especially if my kids don't understand

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that there was a life before internet.

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But it was really a really quite.

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Difficult time to kind of work out what I was

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going to do, you know, was I going to stay

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here or and if I was, what was going to do?

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And then from there I did a lot of searching

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and I first came actually started working in the travel

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industry because one of my passions was trouble. I realized

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that traveling was great for myself, but not booking other

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people's trouble.

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So I moved on from that. And that's when I.

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Work up one morning at three am, and I work

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out my partner, I think for the fifth time that night,

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ask him what am I going to do with my life?

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And he was a little bit over me, you know,

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complaining and winching quite a bit, so he said, why

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don't we write down? It was important to you, and

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a three am he turned on the light and gave

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me a piece of paper. And this is what I

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call my first dream, you know, putting my dreams on paper.

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And on that paper I had that I wanted to

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drive to work every single day and absolutely loving what

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I was doing. And I have to say that I

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was excited to drive here today because I love loving

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part of this, so thank you. I wanted to have

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my business. I wanted to have a business on my own.

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I wanted to have a connection with Sweden.

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I wanted to work with Swedish design because that was

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one of my passions.

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And then I wanted to make five hundred dollars a

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week and that's what that was my little first dream list.

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if I'm going to have my own business, I have

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to have a beautiful home office. And you know, I

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love being organized, I love all that kind of stuff.

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Love good to do list, but back then it wasn't

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anything available, so I was kind of, you know, I

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was like, oh, this is so boring. And then I

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got super excited and I thought, I know exactly what

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I'm going to do.

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And I went home to Portland.

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I said, I'm going to open beautiful Swedish design sturs

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around the world in my favorite cities being London, Paris,

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New York, et cetera.

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So that's how it started.

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So it started being, you know, not feeling great and

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you know, really really working on what I was going

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to do with my life.

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And here I am, here you are.

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Did you manage to make the five hundred dollars a week?

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I did, but that was the hardest one. Actually.

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Yeah, you know it's to start as business. This sounds

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great on paper, but it doesn't always turn out the

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way it is.

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No, and we will get to that.

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But what I love about that story is that you

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obviously what it came down to was getting very clearly

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connected to what was most important to you personally. Yeah,

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like not what would be a good business or what not,

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what would be profitable or smart or sensible, but what

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really you value and what mattered?

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Yeah, yeah, and I think that's it.

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You know, I've just written a book Your dream life

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starts here, and I actually encourage everyone to really start

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with a dream.

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In terms of.

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I always ask five questions, what would you do if

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you couldn't fail? If you had all the money, the resources,

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the knowledge and the energy to do whatever you wanted,

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and no one told you couldn't do it because I

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think we are so influenced by our peers, you know,

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social media, parents, schools, whatever it is, and actually started

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to dream, like if you could do anything in life,

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what would you actually do? And when you think that

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versus goals, I think you just get to more what

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is important in your heart, just your head.

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Yeah, I think that still people find that a really

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challenging question. I think people still even unconsciously, there's that

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block that comes up straight away, well, what would you

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do if you couldn't fail?

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Well, what do you mean?

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Like, of course I might fail, you know, there's always

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that logical So how do you break? How did you

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for a start, like break through that and just back yourself.

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Yeah, but I think it's a practice. You know.

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Dreaming is like you know, like meditation. You know, the

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more you do it, the more, the better, the better

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you get. And also the more you're dreaming, the more

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dreams you have. Like I feel like, you know, wherever

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I am, I always have you know, I'm sitting here

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with my notebook as a dream coming up or a

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thought that I want to capture. But it's it's very

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similar to any practice that you're doing, and and the

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more you do it, the better you become.

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And and I really do believe that if you.

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Are taking some time and you know, I was listening

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to one of your podcasts on the way here about

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not being busy. We're so so connected all the time,

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and actually starting to take some time. So take some

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of your tips on on that podcast with you know,

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I don't know what it was called, but not being busy,

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Escape the culture busy.

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So it's a very first episode.

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Yeah, it was just really you know, it's just so

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it's just so common everywhere and people don't actually have

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time to be bored. So actually starting with that and

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actually remove yourself a little bit and actually take some

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time to dream, even if it's just ten to really

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think about you know, if I could think about my

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whole life, if I was sitting here at the end

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of my life, what would I like to have achieved

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in terms of not just achieved in terms of business

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and career, but also what kind of person do I

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wanted to you know, would I be proud to say

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that I was and what do I want to fit

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in because I think so many people realize that too late.

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And now I'm referencing Bronnie Ware who wrote the book

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to five Regrets of the Dying. I think that's the

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right title. And I loved that book because it was

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so it just feels so real, and so many people

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realize too late that they regrets or they wished I.

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Did something different. And I think number one regret in.

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Her book is that people wish they lived a live

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truth to themselves. So I think if you read that

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and if you think about you know that life is

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not going to be forever, you know, what would you

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actually do? And I think those kind of questions really

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gets too heart versus But you need to kind of

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be bit more present and you need to kind of

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disconnect a little bit to actually get to that space.

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But once you do, I think, I think, you know,

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it's a really it's a really worthwhile time to spend.

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And one of my one of my mentors or one

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of my coaches in the past is Robin Sharma, really

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and he he told me once I don't know if

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he got from someone else or he just said, never

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waste a good crisis. You know, when you actually are

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feeling not so great. It's a really good opportunity to

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actually take some time to think, you know, if I

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want to feel good, what do I need to do?

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And put some some things in your life that will

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make you happy.

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That's fantastic advice. Never waste a good crisis, and so

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for anybody who doesn't know. Robin Sharma is obviously famous

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for The Monk who Sold his Ferrari was one of

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his best selling books, and he's got another.

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He just came up with a book like a few

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days ago, which I'm reading now, which is great. It's

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called a five am Club. Yes, I need to get there,

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and I love it because I'm very much an early

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morning person. And I love that because I think if

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you start getting up early, you have that time to

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actually really connect and most people don't. I'm not interrupted

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in the morning like you know at night or so

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many other you know, other people's agender, so especially if

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you have children and family, et cetera.

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I loved what you said about disconnecting and taking some

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time to be quiet and to be still. I think that,

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I mean, that's critical, isn't it. We I live in

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this world, as you know, as we've talked about on

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the show before. We're hyper busy, always doing, always ticking off,

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but never actually stopping to think about is this at

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the end of the day, what is really important to me?

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Or is this my own agenda or somebody else's. I

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also love what you said about the stationary was kind

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of it wasn't the main game plan, it was it

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came to you as a side note, almost like if

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I'm going to run a business, I need stationary. Oh well,

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I'll make stationary, yeah the business.

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So sometimes you know it. And I think so many

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people say, you know, they don't know what to do,

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but sometimes that search is part of it, and and

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it does take time. If everyone knew exactly what they

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were going to do, everyone will be doing it. So

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so you kind of really have to understand that the

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that the it's part. It's a process and not just

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something that just comes up and then it's done. And

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I still feel like, you know, I'm constantly constantly, you know,

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asking myself, is this what I want to do? You know,

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in terms of all the stuff that I'm doing, you know,

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is this what I you know, next year, what I

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want to do versus this year? And I always reflect

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on my year, and you know it's in the book

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you know, if they could leave this this year again,

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what would have done differently, because that often gives you

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some indication what maybe should be focused on next year.

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year in terms of I always try to add something

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new habit or remove one that you don't like as much.

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new coach or whatever it is. So I always try

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to do something different each year. So one of the

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other reasons that I wrote the book was one of

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my dreams is to inspire one hundred and one million

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people to write down three dreams and then go and

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chase them. And I want to do that because I

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feel that I meet way too many people who are

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not living their dream life or their best life. And

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I do think that if we all do something that

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we love, and something that you know is your dreams,

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that your authentic, real dreams, then that would make the

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world a better place because we will all love what

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we're doing. And then that will inspire other people to

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love what they're doing, and that will have a beautiful

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ripple effect. And as part of the book, I we

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are as part of the book, we're also giving away

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a US dollar a book sold to doctor Terry Right Trent,

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who was Oprah Winfrey's all time favorite guest and she's

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an extraordinary inspiration. She grew up in a very challenging culture,

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and we brought her Australia because I feel that if

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you hear her story, anything is possible. And because you know,

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live our dream life. If you look around and look

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at all these people who have transformed and with doctor

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Terror Trent, that Dr Terror Trent, that started with the dream.

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Someone asked her, what are your dreams? So one of

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my other dreams is to sell a million copies because

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I'm giving a US dollar per book sold to her

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foundation because she got one point five million dollars from

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Oprah to start schools. She's now started eleven schools, but

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she needs to sustain them. So if we can all

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contribute to that, that is one of my dreams. So

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I'm working hard on that. I don't know how to

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fascinating story. She's a remarkable, remarkable woman. I'd encourage people

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to listen to that. Thank you and yeah, And I

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love that this idea of having a purpose in life.

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our experiences or perspective for the greater good to give

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something back. That's when we're really kind of on purpose

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in life. So I love that you have that vision

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not just to inspire people with the book, but then

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to use the funds from the book to contribute.

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great things, you know. I get to meet so many

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amazing people and get to inspire so many people. So

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there's really it's really nice synergy.

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your reason for doing whatever it is that you do.

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my tram list. But as I you know, developed the

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business and kick k was born, and you know, we

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we you know, I was focusing on all the things

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that it was important to me. I realized that after

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a while that we needed to have a wife for

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the whole business, not just for me.

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our purpose.

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A Kikik is to inspire and empower people to live

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their best life. And we do that under four words.

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my heart. So this is what I live and breathe

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in our private life as much as kikik. And that's

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why I love what I do, because if I read

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a book or if I do something about private life,

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it kind of translates straight to kikik. So it's like

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I live and breathe the Kikik culture, which is which

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is what you really want to want to do if

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you can. So for me, it all starts with dreaming.

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one is dreaming because I really think if we all

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started there versus setting goals, you know how how we

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if we look at goals for next year, you often

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look at where you are today and then you stretch

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yourself a little bit or might focus on something that

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is a little bit out of your comfort zone or

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a little bit out of the ordinary. But if you act,

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stop and start dreaming and thinking, if I couldn't fail,

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if I had all the money, in the resources and

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knowledge and the energy, well what I actually do, And

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go to do because the dreams are only as good

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as the action you take, of course, so we need

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to take action when it's set goals around all your

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dreams to make sure that they happen, and I can

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you actually don't have to make all your dreams come

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true if you don't want to, so you can actually

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be really abundant with your with your dreaming.

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You can dream.

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But anything you know, where do you want to live,

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and where do you want to you know, how much

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do you want to make or whatever it is? Dreaming

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is really powerful and then you're doing is obviously all

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about making those dreams happen that you choose to. And

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then the third word is enjoy. I really do believe

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that every day needs to be lived. So I love

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big dreams and big you know, really big.

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days and it's also about recharging. So enjoy for me

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has two things. It's about recharging so I could do

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all the big fall things, but it's also about enjoying

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the little things in life. And I think they are

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the one the little things in life when you look back,

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it's the ones that you're going to remember. Like for me,

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that could be to have a cup of tea and journaling,

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write cards. I used to be when I travel, I

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often go to like a beautiful wine bar.

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alcoholis yeah, which is an interesting.

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I'm doing that? Oh yeah, nice?

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of red wine and sit and write a card and

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really enjoy that process. Or get up early, go for

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walk and take some cards and sit in a cafe.

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So really about recharging, but also doing things that you love.

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you know, have Sunday so as a non booking day,

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I have no plans on Sunday, So that's about enjoying

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that we all have something to share, regardless where we

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Into your career and you're quite young, I think there

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is always someone someone behind you that could could get

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some support. And that's always the people less fortunate than us.

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a unique story, all very unique, So what can we

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do to share and make the world a better place?

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these are all the words that is really important to me.

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I need to get that for that person.

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Always like to share, and.

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That's really much part of the kikik for philosophy because

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we are whatever we come across, we always want to

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share that. So content, you know, products and books or

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you know, all the tools that we are using ourselves,

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we are sharing with our community.

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I love that I'm writing a book myself. It's just

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just finished. I've written two books this year, and one

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of them is about Crappy to Happy, how to love

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your work yep. And one of the things that I

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have said in there is that the more that you

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you are outside of work aligns with who you are

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at work, then the happier and more fulfilled and the

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more successful that you will be.

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And that's exactly what you just said.

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You know, who you are just shines through the whole

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company philosophy and culture, and therefore you just it's not

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work life and home life, it's just life.

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one to really, you know, to really to really find

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your values. And I have that an exercise in my

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book as well, to really to really There's a few

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different ways of finding values. But I sometimes find when

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people are thinking about values, they think all their values

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that maybe should have, not what they really have. And

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I love doctor Dean Martine. I don't know if you're

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come across him, but he has a values test, which

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is a free tool online. It's also in the book,

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and that when I'm referencing his tool, and I think,

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what we really want to spend time on, and what

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we really like doing, and what we think about and

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do most of the time, even when we're busy, they

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are often our values.

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So for me, that's like reading. I always have.

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I always, so learning is one of my highest values.

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I remember doing that doctor John De Martini's values exercise

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a long time ago when I first started with life coaching,

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and it can be quite eye opening when you actually

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really think about you ask somebody what their values are

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and they'll say, oh, well, of course my health and

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my family and how do you spend your time, and

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how do you spend your money, and how do you

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spend your and then we see what really.

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Matters absolutely and sometimes sometimes some you know, I because

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I often get people asking, you know, how about you know,

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I don't really want to spend a lot of time

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on Facebook, but I'm doing it. But they're kind of

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removing yourself a little bit about taking away that instant

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gratification things, you know, because that's more of an addiction.

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Versus the true real Yeah.

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my values is not Facebook, and I'm like, no, it's

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not probably unless there is an interest in there that

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you are looking at versus just following people's comments or

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whatever whatever they do.

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So again, it seems that the taking that time out,

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the digit detox, disconnecting, taking your break gives you the

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space to actually reconnect with what does really matter, because

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otherwise there's all of these just constant intrusions.

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takes a few days to actually get rid of that.

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it will come to you, because I think we are

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so used to pick the phone up, So I think

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it takes a little while to actually really remove ourselves.

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in nature and alone time because not that's one of

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my favorite things to do. I love my family, I

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love being around people, but you have to spend some

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time alone to really get to know yourself.

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I deactivated my Facebook account once for thirty days, and

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probably unsurprisingly.

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I missed nothing.

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Yeah, you soon realize that you miss nothing, and yet

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we so compulsively feel, you know, check it just to feel.

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The empty ways.

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It's a good exercise, I think.

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Yeah, absolutely, Christina.

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So I think we all would love to live a life,

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you know that we feel passionately about, to have a

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sense that our life has meaning and purpose. But a

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lot of people don't ever achieve that, or they don't

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feel that way.

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In your experience.

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You know, you've met a lot of people touring around

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with this book too, I'm sure, and heard lots of stories.

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Do you think that everybody has the potential to live

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a life of their dreams?

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Yes, absolutely, but you actually have to take some time

479
00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.079
to work out what that is because what my dream

480
00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.000
life is is not the same as yours. So we

481
00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.240
really have to really tune in and see what it

482
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:36.880
is for us. And the reason why I actually wrote

483
00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:39.119
the book was because I do a lot of talking

484
00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:42.480
around the world, and I talk about my story and

485
00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:44.880
I talk a lot about you know, you know, taking

486
00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.160
time to dream, and then after you always have those

487
00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:50.599
people coming up. So where do I start and you know,

488
00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.559
what do I need to do to kind.

489
00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.400
Of get there? And we never had one.

490
00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:58.160
Product at g UK they could actually do everything that

491
00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:00.440
I do in terms of the dreaming path.

492
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:02.039
So that's why I wrote the book.

493
00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.319
But I do really believe that everyone can do it,

494
00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.640
but it's not the same for everyone. So for someone

495
00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.200
often I feel that people are thinking that they have

496
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.559
to start a business, or have to climb the letter

497
00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:17.200
or whatever it is in terms of career, but sometimes

498
00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.640
it's the dreams might be taking a year off or

499
00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.119
work four days a week, or you know, take time

500
00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.799
off when you have young children, or even when you

501
00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.400
don't you know, because we're so focused on this career

502
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.440
and business or whatever it is, and of course we

503
00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.960
need all to make money, but you could do things

504
00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.400
a little bit differently. And that's why I think we

505
00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.359
all have to tune into ourselves versus just thinking about

506
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:42.519
what other people are doing.

507
00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:43.640
And that's why I think.

508
00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.400
A lot of people use a lot of people don't

509
00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:48.319
have the self belief that they could actually live their

510
00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:49.039
dream life.

511
00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:50.160
But it takes a bit.

512
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.359
Of work to actually work out what that is. And

513
00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.920
that's why I think so many people don't do it

514
00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.240
because I actually don't really know what their dreams are.

515
00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:02.200
So I think that's number one is actually take the

516
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.160
time to ask yourself. You know, if you could remove

517
00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:07.359
every you know, every person in your life in terms

518
00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:09.119
of not telling you what you can do or not

519
00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:13.440
can do, and you and you're knew, for example, that

520
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.720
that if you were to do something's a little bit

521
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.720
out of your comfort zone and you actually could do that,

522
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.559
you know, you could have the knowledge and you could

523
00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:23.440
have the you know, the resources and all that stuff

524
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.599
that needed to be around to make it happen. Then

525
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:28.680
I think you actually can do it, but you just

526
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:30.440
have to take the time to do it, to work

527
00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:31.079
out what it.

528
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.720
Is, and to believe to develop that self belief.

529
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:36.279
And I think, you know, for me, when I think

530
00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:39.200
about this as a clinical psychologist, I'm obviously very aware

531
00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.720
that people who have had really you know, a lot

532
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:46.160
of adversity in their childhood or you know, you know,

533
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:49.240
difficult upbringing or trauma or whatever, that often really affects

534
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.680
their level of self belief. And so in the past

535
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.480
I've been a little bit like, well, you know, you

536
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.880
have to be compassionate towards yourself and you have to

537
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:00.559
you know, just somebody telling you that you can just

538
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.079
do whatever you want. Often that just makes them feel

539
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.720
even more despondent or more like a failure if they

540
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:08.359
find it they can't, you know, if they don't have

541
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.680
the impetus. But I also I think I've turned around

542
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:13.519
a little bit because I think sometimes that that way

543
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:17.440
of thinking can almost enable people's excuses, and so I

544
00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.799
think it's really important as a psychologist. I feel like

545
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:22.680
it's really important that we've got to find that balance

546
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:27.160
between understanding where you've come from and that maybe there

547
00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:29.680
are blocks and subconscious you know, there's that pattern of

548
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.880
self sabotage. But everybody also has the capacity to like

549
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.240
the past doesn't have to dictate the future. We all

550
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.039
have the capacity to turn that around. And we see

551
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:42.680
that with people who have had the most extraordinarily difficult childhoods,

552
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:44.799
and one will use that as an excuse to never

553
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.799
achieve their dreams, and one will use that as the fuel.

554
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:50.599
Absolutely, I mean we see that all the time. And

555
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:54.359
you know, in the most you know, I guess disadvantage

556
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.880
in schools of sometimes you look at someone like, you know,

557
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.039
Richard Brands so for ex some time A referencing him

558
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.400
in the book because I you know, he was just dyslectic.

559
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.960
Yeah yeah, and you know he looked what he has achieved.

560
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.640
So so I think a lot of that our excuses.

561
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.200
But of course, you know the things that everyone goes through,

562
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:19.039
and everyone goes through things, some very very difficult things

563
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.640
and some less so. But it's all, we all have

564
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.680
our issues, and we all have our things that we

565
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.839
actually have to work on. And I always try to

566
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:31.039
remind people when they say these that they don't you

567
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:32.880
know that you know, you know, I didn't have this

568
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:35.880
and that, and and I love sharing my story because

569
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.319
I didn't have any education. I'll finished at well, that's it,

570
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.279
and I started a business in my in a new country,

571
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:46.319
no network. English is the second language. And I'm only

572
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:49.240
sharing that because you don't actually have to know everything.

573
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.400
And I was, you know, because I also have a podcast,

574
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.240
and I was talking to gret Reuben and she was

575
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.039
saying that to her kids, that you don't have to

576
00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.359
be too you don't have to be great to start,

577
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:02.759
but you have to start to be greater. So there's

578
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.799
a quote in the book like that. I'm not sure

579
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:06.599
exactly who says it, but we were talking about that.

580
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.519
And I think so many people think that they need

581
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.680
to be perfect before they start, but actually just doing

582
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.279
one little action just gets that ball rolling and then

583
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.920
you can add to it. And I think you actually

584
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.079
have to do the work. And I think that is

585
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.440
the difference between someone who is succeeding and not succeeding

586
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.799
in whatever that success means. It doesn't mean that you

587
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.799
have to start a business. Could mean that, you know,

588
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:35.039
you become the fittest or you know, the most present person,

589
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.680
whatever whatever it is.

590
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:39.200
But there's another thing that.

591
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:44.279
I always tell people that, regardless of their background, regardless

592
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.240
how difficult it was, at the end of the day,

593
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.160
we're only here for a short time on earth. And

594
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:52.799
if we realize that and we are think because one

595
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:54.480
of my dreams is to liave TOI one hundred and twenty,

596
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:55.599
so I'm trying to work out.

597
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.359
How to do that. But even if I get to.

598
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.440
Live a long life, life is pretty short in view.

599
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.160
So at the end of your life, you and only

600
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.599
you could make the difference. Yeah, those you know you could,

601
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.119
you could. You can blame and you can you can say,

602
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.319
well I didn't have that and didn't have that. But

603
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.559
in the end of the day, we are only in

604
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.359
control of ourselves. It doesn't matter what your you know,

605
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:20.559
your partner or parent or peers are saying, because they

606
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.519
are not going to be at there. They might be,

607
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.720
but they're not going to be the ones who could

608
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.200
have made a difference. So I think it's such a

609
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.720
good reminder to do a bit of work on thinking,

610
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.680
you know, you know, really even adding up to you know,

611
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.200
in my book, I have work out how many months

612
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:36.680
you have to.

613
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.599
Live, and that is a real thing.

614
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.279
Yeah, it's very confronting and I actually have a chapter

615
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.359
in the book called life is Short and and I

616
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.480
encourage people and this is not this is difficult for

617
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.359
some people, but I encourage people to think, if they

618
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.359
were to die in three years time and living, continue

619
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.279
living the way you're living now in terms of your health,

620
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.160
and so you can do everything that you want to do,

621
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.720
what would you actually change? Because sometimes three years is

622
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.240
enough to do some things that you actually want to

623
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.599
do in your life. And it often connects you with

624
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.240
your heart versus your head. And I did these exercise

625
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.240
ones and I love sharing this because my son Axel

626
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:20.400
comes with me a lot when I travel and take

627
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:22.680
him out of school a lot. It's only ten and

628
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.359
he learned so much and I love it. But I

629
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:27.000
was going to Philippines for a trip and it was

630
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:31.279
only like a short time. And he's he's a kikik product.

631
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.440
He dreams and he has a vision board and he

632
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.480
loves her. So he said, oh, I just can't wait

633
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.240
to go to Philippines. I said, no, you're not going

634
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.720
this time because you need to be at school at

635
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.359
some stage, you see, so you're not coming. And then

636
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.759
I did this exercise on the plane up to Sydney,

637
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.480
just for an hour. I did exercise in the book

638
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:50.759
you know, what would you do if you knew you

639
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.559
were dying three years time? And I kept thinking, I

640
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.119
will actually take Axel on these trip. So when I landed,

641
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.240
I called him and said, wow, oh take you, and he.

642
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.759
Said, dreams do really come true.

643
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.759
But I love sharing that story because sometimes when you

644
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.680
are asking yourself, you you know, because my head was thinking,

645
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:07.839
you know, he needs to go to school.

646
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:09.279
But if I was to die in through this.

647
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.400
Time, I rather him remember me having a trip like

648
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.359
a chip with him, and I know that he you know,

649
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.759
I know that he'll he'll make that education up anyway.

650
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:20.960
And education is such a short part of your life anyway,

651
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.440
so you don't have to focus on that only if

652
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.279
there are other things that are also interesting.

653
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.519
So great story.

654
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.240
So, Christina, this stationary store that started off with beautiful

655
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.240
products for people working from home, like now it really

656
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.960
has transitioned to like it is a dreaming store, isn't it?

657
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.640
This vision boards and journals and so has that changed

658
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.839
that's changed along the way, I assume in keeping up

659
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.920
with your kind of personal evolution, would.

660
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.079
You say absolutely, yeah.

661
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.200
So in the beginning it was all really about you know,

662
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.279
being productive and being the home office and being organized,

663
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.519
and we did products all around that. But as I

664
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.240
evolved as a person, you'd actually really started them, uh,

665
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.599
you know, kind of the financial crisis.

666
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.559
I always been really into reading.

667
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:07.519
A lot of self self help books to kind of

668
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:08.680
help me being.

669
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:09.920
Motivated to do what I'm doing.

670
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.119
But then when the financial crisis started to happen, and

671
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:19.079
I was just so frustrated by the negativity around me.

672
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.200
So I read The Happiness Project by Chretien Rubend and

673
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.119
I loved it, and I was thinking, more people real

674
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.640
need to read this, and and I called her and said, hey,

675
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.359
I love your book, but I love to redesign it

676
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:34.960
and have put a Kiki Cake cover on it.

677
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.200
So it actually suits our aesthetics. And so she said yes.

678
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.720
So we did a whole you know, we did her book,

679
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.599
and then we did a whole range around happiness and

680
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:46.880
and that just really became because I felt like there

681
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.000
was a need for it. And and then you know,

682
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.319
I became very interested in habits, and you know, I

683
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.720
love mindfulness, and you know, I'm always at goals and

684
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.200
all those things has evolved in terms of the themes

685
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.119
and whatever I'm into at the time is what kind

686
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.680
of transports into to business.

687
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:06.599
So I love that.

688
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.480
I'm so grateful that I found something that I love

689
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.440
as much personally as I do workwise.

690
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.559
Yeah, I love that too. I can imagine that you

691
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:16.519
will never get bored.

692
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.720
No, and we have always had more ideas that we

693
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.000
possibly ever can do, which is a very nice problem

694
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:22.200
to have.

695
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.880
The other thing that I really love that you said, Christina,

696
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.640
is you mentioned before having Robin Shama as a mentor,

697
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.079
and you mention you know the people in your life

698
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.480
who might hold you back or bring you down, and

699
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.440
the saying that I love and in fact, my daughter's

700
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.359
school principle just reinforces at their annual end of year

701
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.319
awards night, and I made sure I got in the

702
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:42.799
car and said, did you hear what she said?

703
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:43.279
Did you?

704
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:45.599
It is that is that you become the average of

705
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.759
the five people you spend the most time with. So

706
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.680
look around you and have a look at who you're

707
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.519
surrounding yourself with, because you'll only go as far in

708
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:58.079
terms of your goals, your aspirations, whatever you can imagine

709
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.119
for yourself from chief, for yourself.

710
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.039
Will be a direct reflection of the five people around you.

711
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:04.200
What do you have to say about that?

712
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.039
Oh? I couldn't agree more. I'm sorry.

713
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:07.759
I woul bringing this up because it's something I feel

714
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:08.920
really passionate about.

715
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.680
And I often get that question, but how do I

716
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:12.000
do that?

717
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.799
Because some people are surrounded by negative people? And I

718
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.079
always go back to, you know, what are your interests,

719
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.599
and what are your dreams, and what are you into?

720
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.000
What are your values, and then try to find like

721
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.759
minded people. So for me, for example, my learning is,

722
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.279
you know, I never really read fiction. I sometimes I do,

723
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but very rarely. I love reading five books at the time.

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I get so excited talking about books and learning and

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what I want to implement in my life.

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So I started a book group, and I kind of.

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There were so many people I could think about, but

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I really wanted the people who are really as much

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interested in in their self development and biographies and learning

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from others.

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As I was.

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So I kind of, you know, I have doctor Libby,

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who I know it's on your podcast, and everyone around me.

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So it's so so so important to surround yourself with

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people who inspire you. And it's the same what I

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have what I call my fit friends. So one of

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my dreams is to become the fittest every year, so

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every birthday become better and better, because often we are

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thinking that that should be the opposite.

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But I'm thinking, you know, why not be.

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The fittest every year. Yeah, but I'm not always succeeding.

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I'm far away from perfect for something. But I do

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have a friend who i I offer take advice and

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suggests an inspiration from. Her name is Rebecca, and she

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is a person who always exercises wherever she travels as

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much as I do. And often that's, you know, a

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good excuse to not to do it because you jet

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lag and you are in different hotels and whatever. But

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she is also a really big inspiration. So whatever whatever

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people are interested in in who they want to become

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or what they are into, doesn't mean that they have

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to strive for bigger.

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But it could be that you.

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Know they're into I don't know, interior or or you know,

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nature or whatever it is, and really surround yourself with

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those people and be inspired by that. I think it's

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so important in terms of mentors because some people say, well,

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it's easy for you don't know so many people, but

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I didn't actually know anyone. And I started to read

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a lot, so today I think it's amazing, even more

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compared to you know, when I started. You can listen

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to podcasts, so people who who are really difficult to

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get to in terms of they might be well known

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or super have a really super full life. It's so

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much access, like doing online courses. I mean, it's just

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I could do that full time. I just love it.

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So I messaged you on Instagram and so would you

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come on back? Exactly when you came straight back and

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said sure.

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At five point thirty in the morning, I came out

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of my meditation and thought, I think I might ask

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Christina question.

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Yeah, well, thank you for asking that.

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You know, it's it's the more followers who have the harder.

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That is because I kind of just open my or

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what started and opening stuff this year, so that is

777
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becoming harder. But yes, good not mean a good time

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because I'm not always as.

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You all can't just message Christina.

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No you can, but it's hard to hard to respond

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to everybody. Christina, thank you so much for your time

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this morning. It's been an absolute pleasure. I think you've

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shared so much wisdom and I think we will all

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go away feeling more inspired for this conversation, thank you

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so much.

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Thank you so much for having me, and thankful or

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that you do to inspire all us to be living

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a better life.

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I don't know about you, but after that conversation, I'm

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already inspired to dream bigger and better. Christina's book, Your

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Dream Life Starts Here is available at all good bookstores

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as well as obviously in the kicki Ka stores. If

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you want to be inspired to dream bigger, I would

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encourage you to buy the book and the accompanying journal,

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knowing that your purchase is also helping Christina to achieve

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her dream of donating a one.

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Hundred and one million dollars to the Terror Trent Foundation.

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I've also just released my first Crappy to Happy book.

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I'm excited to say that you can order that now.

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That link is in the show notes, or you can

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visit my website castdone dot com.

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We love hearing.

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From you, so if you love this show, please give

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it a rating and a review on iTunes or wherever

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you get your podcasts, or get in touch with me

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personally hello at castdone dot com. In the next episode,

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I'm talking to Tom Harkin, who is a specialist in

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helping men redefine masculinity and open up and talk about

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00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:35.960
their feelings. I know it's a topic that's going to

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be of interest to a lot of you. Happy to

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Happy is presented by Cast done produced by Davis Lensky.

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