Sept. 15, 2019

Healthy hormones with Nat Kringoudis

Healthy hormones with Nat Kringoudis
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Healthy hormones with Nat Kringoudis
Healthy hormones with Nat Kringoudis
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Season 4 Women's Health And Wellbeing Physical Health

Your body is talking, it’s time to listen. Nat Kringoudis is a doctor of Chinese medicine, acupuncturist, author, speaker and natural fertility expert (the list goes on) and she’s on a mission to help women recover their health by making their ‘hormones happy’. Cass Dunn and Nat discuss the importance of educating and empowering women so they can take control of their health, reduce their stress and give your temple of love the attention it deserves.https://www.natkringoudis.com/
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A listener production.

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Hey guys, you're listening to Crappy to Happy. I'm cash done.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist, a mindfulness meditation teacher,

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and author of the Crappy to Happy books. In this series,

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we look at all of the factors that might be

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making you feel crappy and give you the tools and

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the techniques that will help you to overcome them. In

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each episode, I introduce you to interesting, inspiring, intelligent people

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who are experts in their field, and my hope is

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that they will help you feel less crappy and more happy.

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Nat kring Goodis is a doctor of Chinese medicine, acupuncturist, author, speaker,

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and a natural fertility expert. And she is a champion

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and advocate of women's reproductive health with the aim of

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preventing problems before they arise. Natt is an absolute wealth

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of information when it comes to women's health, and she

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was so ready to dispense the simple, practical advice that

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I love, which made it an absolute joy to have

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her on the show. Doctor Nat crinkis welcome, Such a

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pleasure to have you on the show.

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Thank you for having me excited to be here.

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Yeah, I'm excited to talk to you. So, Nat, you

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are a doctor of Chinese medicine and you specialize particularly

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in fertility and women's reproductive health. Is that correct?

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That's correct. That's definitely how I made my name in

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the industry some fifteen years ago, when there were many

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women banging on my door asking for help because they

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weren't getting answers to the questions that they were asking

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and no one had No one had solutions, and I

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didn't have solutions. Yeah, I was like, I don't really know.

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You know, the conditions that we were seeing were a

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result of modern issues like stress, but there was no

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answer and there wasn't a lot of research into it

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at the time. I think the level of stress and

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pressure that we live under nowadays is far more than

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ever before. So I resisted it for a really long time.

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I was like, I'm not equipped to treat this, you know,

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I don't know what I'm doing. I didn't get trained

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in these symptoms and problems and issues, and so eventually

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I realized, well, no one was doing it, so maybe

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someone needed to.

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That's so interesting. So what sort of just out of interest,

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So what sort of things were you trained in and

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were you treating.

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Yes, So I mean when you do a I've done

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several degrees to get to where I was at, and

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nothing was looking at these symptoms of say infertility or

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estrogen dominance, or the role that chemicals were playing for women,

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seeing symptoms of missing periods, all sorts of reproductive issues,

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pcos syindimetrios has these sorts of things. There wasn't a

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lot of information yet we knew it was a problem.

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So you then went and educated yourself pretty much so

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that you could help.

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At the time, like I said, there wasn't a lot

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of answers. We knew that these were problems, but we

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didn't really have reasons as to or not scientific greeds

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or yet proven reasons. So it's a different conversation nowadays.

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But the difference is I guess, yeah, fifteen years on,

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it's really interesting to see where that's come and it's

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been such a pleasure to play a role for so

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many women that Yeah. Eventually I was like, look, I

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don't know, but let's experiment, and so I asked the

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patient's permission at the time to do that, and then

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we started getting really great results and that just led

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to an influx of women you know, into my space,

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and you know, which has really led me to this

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absolute questioning of hang on a minute, what happens if

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we actually started to fix it before it was broken?

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What happens if we actually started to educate not just

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women at the time of fertility, but sort of teach

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them that fertility is not just about babies. It's actually

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about a thriving reproductive system from the minute that you

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start to change with your hormones. So that to me

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is a very different conversation to be having. But really,

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when I'm very passionate about it, women is educating women

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of kind of all ages and stages because we all

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have a responsibility in that.

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Well, I'm glad you said that, because that I was

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planning to ask you good all about that. But I

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am interested now to know kind of the women who

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walk through your door now, for example, these are women

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generally who are struggling to get pregnant. Is that still primarily.

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I would say it's probably about fifty to fifty nowadays,

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And at the beginning I would have said maybe eighty

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percent of our patients for fertility patients. I guess that's

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for several reasons. When we're more educated, so we can

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bring in lifestyle changes before you might seek the help

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of a practitioner a professional. Two, I think there's a

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lot more people doing what I once did, which is

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great because there's so many women that need that help

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and support. And three because I do think that now

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I am reaching out to various ages and stages, So

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we're seeing a lot of a lot of things like

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premature puberty. You know, young girls starting to reach puberty

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from a really early age, and how do we set

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them up to help with that? And again all the

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result of our modern lifestyle. So we're seeing and a

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lot more in demetrious and pcos than ever before. So really,

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I think women are keen to get their hormones on

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track earlier, which is great, But the fertility part still

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plays a role, and not everybody still understands or has

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this connection between their environment, whether that's their external environment

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or the internal environment being there, how their organs behave

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or misbehave, and how that impacts our fertility. And there

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are still misconceptions around that. We still think we can

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push our bodies to the absolute limit and expect a baby,

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and it's not how it works. And you know, I

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see patients all the time where I'll say there is

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actually physically no space in your lifestyle for a child.

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Your body hears that, sees that, knows that, and we've

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got to create that. Now, that's difficult too. If you've

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been trying to have a baby for a period of time,

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what do we do We add more to the mix

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because we don't want to think about it, We don't

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want to feel it, we don't want to go through that.

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Why am I not falling pregnant? I'm not good enough?

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You know, this whole internal dialogue that we can bring in,

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and I see it time and time again. We start

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to push away the very thing that we want.

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Interesting, isn't that the whole psychology.

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Of Absolutely But you know, Chinese medicine definitely subscribes to

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the fact that we are fifty percent physical and fifty

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percent emotional when it comes to treating any health condition,

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and so we will treat both when we're treating a patient.

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And I think that's where the magic lies in Chinese medicine.

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It realizes and understands that there you can't separate those

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two things. Sure, you've got to have the fundamentals, you've

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got to have the right nutrients and you've got to

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have the right hormones and the right messages. But if

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that's being slightly skewed because of your thought processes and

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you know, those thoughts we don't even know we're having,

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that can be it can be the reason. And that's

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hard as well, you know, And no one wants to

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be told to relax.

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No, that's confronting for people too, isn't it.

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It is very confronting. You know. I will often see

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women saying, you mean to tell me, you're telling you're

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telling me that this is a result of my thoughts,

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my behavior, Like I wouldn't consciously do that, and I

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know that. But if you're ticking all of the boxes,

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and let's say, your nutrition's great, you're removing your body,

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you're exercising, you've you know, you've adapted a work life

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balance that is supportive of what you're trying to achieve.

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I said nutrition. Your sleep is great, you know you're

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getting the right amount of sleep, but you're still not

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falling pregnant. There's usually some type of an emotional issue

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or situation that's going on that needs to be addressed.

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And again it's the one that it's the last thing

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we want to address, because it's often the hardest thing

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in a dress.

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Yeah, so true. You mentioned just then PCOS endometriosis. I

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was to say the thing that I probably see a

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lot in the communities that I work in and as

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well as my own business. I'm obviously the psychologist in Tific,

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so it's a huge group of women online trying to

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live a healthier lifestyle. PCOS comes up all the time.

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And the other thing, just on a different level altogether,

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is just things like managing hormonal food cravings, almost like

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uncontrollable food cravings. So what kind of things I guess

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they're two very different questions, I know, But what kinds

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of things can we be doing to manage to manage

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our hormonal health?

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I think what we need, whether it's PCs, endometriosis, ad inmiosis,

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whatever it is, what we need to appreciate is genetically,

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that's our predisposition. Can't change our genes, but we can

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change the way that our body behaves, and we can

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change the way that you know we can epigenetics is

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you know, we're so lucky that we're living at this

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time and there's so much research available and we understand

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that our environment very much influences the way that our

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genes behave. Now I talk to this also from another perspective,

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just to throw Yeah, I have a little boy with

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a genetic condition cystic fibrosis. So I'm wildly, wildly interested

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in genetics and how I can manipulate his genes. And

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I can see how amazing that can be for him.

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If I look at somebody who's got an absolute, known

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genetic defect, why can't that work for anybody? So that's

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where I translate that over. I'm like, if I can

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get his body working optimally, I can get anybody's body

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working optimally. Really, nothing is fixed or permanent. So yes,

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your diagnosis is your diagnosis, and that is your genetics,

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but we need to look at everything else that we

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do around that to influence our body to behave basically,

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and so I say that we're kind of like a

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human petri dish. You know, you did that experiment in

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science or biology in your ten where you put bacteria

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in a peat tradition, one went in an incubator and

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one went on the window sill, and what grew was different.

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And we can look at our genes a little bit

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like that. The environment that we put it in will

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influence how that plays out. So for PCOS specifically, yes,

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it's genetic, we know that, but there's certain things that

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definitely influence the way that our body responds to our hormones.

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Generally at the core of PCOS is inflammation, insulin resistance,

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and some type of liver and gut sort of issues

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or discrepancies. So if we know that that's the case,

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we can start to bring in some little hacks that

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really work PCOS because of this insulin resistant pattern, it

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responds if you just said to me that what's the

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one thing, and you know how hard is it to

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answer the one thing, because there's never one thing, right,

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But if you said to me, what's the one thing,

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I would say intermittent fasting for women with PCOS, hands down,

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it's really unbelievable. I resisted intermittent fasting for our very,

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very long time, I have to say, because everything I

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had learned in terms of hormones and the way our

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bodies worked, that was ridiculous. As far as I understood.

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I had a patient once and stand out right, so

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she'd had a trauma, petuitory had been damaged, and we

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need our petuitary to help us ovulate, and so she

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hadn't had a period since she'd had that trauma. And

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she came to me in the clinic and she said,

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I'd like to get my period back. And I actually,

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probably for the first time ever after fifteen years in

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clinical practice, I really laughed. I said, well, that's going

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to take us more miracle because if you've actually got

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structural damage, I don't know if I can help with

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you getting a period. We can help your body to

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be healthier, we can balance your hormones more, but period

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is the icing on the cake here, and I'm not

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sure anyway, So we started to adopt some things, and

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she'd done some reading and she said, I really want

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to try into mint fasting. And I was like, oh gosh, look,

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I always work with what the patient wants to do,

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and I love it when they're motivated to do something,

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so long as it's not dangerous. So I was like, Okay,

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I don't know how that's going to work, but okay,

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let's bring it into the mix. And so we bought

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all this into the mix and I we never forget.

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It was just a couple of days before Christmas and

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she emailed me, and she said, you're never gonna believe it.

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I got my period, and I was like, what in

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the world, you have got to be kidding me. After

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many many years, let's say, fifteen years of not having

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a period, having to have two children that were conceived

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via IVF because she didn't have a menstrual cycle, and

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she got a period back. And so it then, again,

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as most things do for our patients, led me on

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another path of investigating as to why would that be,

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why would that help her get her period back? And

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it was at the time where intermittent fasting was just

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becoming something that you know, Michael Mosley was looking and

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turn researching and all these people are starting to look

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at and so there was talk about it, and so

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I started experimenting with patients pcos specifically and especially for

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those ones that are definitely that typical androgen you know,

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excess testosterone, facial hair weight gain, missing periods or sporadic periods,

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acne hair loss on the head, you know, typical PC.

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And it was a game changer. I was able to

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for most of the patients that I do that now,

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I remove them off most of their supplement protocol or

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regime and I'm very less is more when I use supplements,

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I just want you to have just what you need.

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I think we overprescribe in every area, especially supplements, because

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we think, oh, well they're healthy, so we should be

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a better manner, and it's like, no, that's not how

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this works. It's been a game changer, and it's finding

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the right type of fasting for your body and what

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you need. So it wouldn't necessarily be something you do

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every day, but it might be something that you start

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to play around with. Definitely, twelve hours overnight makes a

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really big difference. Now, twelve hours overnight is not hard.

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From seven till seven, we can all do that, but

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the longer we know, the research indicates that the closer

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we can get to sixteen hours, that's where the benefits

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are in terms of helping to regulate our insulin, which

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drives testosterone for anybody but especially women with PCOS, helps

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with gut health, with repair, with making our hormones, so

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many facets of our life. So it's been Yeah, that

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is the one thing that I can get patients to

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do that really does help with their hormones, and especially PCOS.

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That's really interesting. I've heard about I'm sure I've heard

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about in mitten fasting being good for diabetes.

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It's great for diabetes, I mean longevity, just general health.

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I don't never before has food been so available to us.

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You know, we can walk out the door here today

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and we can get there's hundreds of options. You can

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go and eat it anytime downtown Melbourne. Pretty sure, never

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before in history has it been such a smallus board before.

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wonder what our ancestors did, because they had to have

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done something right. We wouldn't be here if they didn't.

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And yes, they did plenty wrong, but there was things

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that intuitively they knew. And I look at this and think,

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it makes so much sense to me that we didn't have,

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you know, corn flakes and milk straight up in the morning.

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We didn't, so our nutrition was very different, and I

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think that's to be said about that. So you know,

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once upon a time I would have said to my patients, oh, no,

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we need to eat six more meals a day, and

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you know that would ruin your metabolism. And the research

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certainly is showing us no, that's actually not the case.

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And for some people, less is more.

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Friends of mine just before we finish off on that

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intermittent fasting. So friends of mine have done that as well.

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I haven't done that very successfully, but so a lot

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of people think it's the five two that you have

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to almost starve yourself for two days a week, but

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the sixteen eight is a really good alternative, is absolutely so.

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I don't I'm not a fan of the five too,

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just because I don't really want to spend two days

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in my week starving. Yeah, some people love that and

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that's fine. Eight yeah, sixteen eight. And what I get

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people to focus on is the eight hours that they

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can eat. Don't worry about the sixteen hours you can't.

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We're like, sixteen hours without food.

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I can't do this.

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It's like, no, you can actually, and this benefits men

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and women, not just not just women. I have patients

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startup off doing what we call crescendo fasting, so two

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or three days a week and really looking at fitting

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it in with your lifestyle as well. So on the

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days that you might fast, and if you're someone that

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exercises in the morning, maybe they're the mornings you either

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don't exercise or you do something that's more gentle, like

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in yoga or something that you're not going to go

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marathon running, especially when you first start. So you might

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do that two or three days a week, and yeah,

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you have your eight hours of eating, but there's sixteen

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hours that you don't. I can tell you that the

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majority of my patients will come back several weeks later

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and say, oh, I just do it every day now

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because it feels so good. I feel so much better when.

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I do that.

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And it's very interesting. Out thought for food changes. When

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we eat this way, all of a sudden, food tastes amazing,

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like far better than it ever did. You don't think

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about food all the time, so we are conditioned. It's

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a habit, I'm pretty sure. But we're probably feeding that

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that you know, sugar craving that you spoke of. If

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we're not, if we're giving ourselves a rest, things just

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change and it's actually it's quite healthy adjustment. I Again,

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patients will say, oh, I've got a history of an

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eating disorder. I'm very worried about doing this, and I've

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never had a problem with it. Their relationship for food

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completely changes. So yeah, I would say, if you're going

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to try it on, you know, it's always good to

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get the right advice. However, you could safely do it

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two or three days a week and just see what

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your body does.

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So that's eating between eleven and seven, for example, which

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absolutely manageable.

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So manageable, and you know, then people get really fixated

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on well do I need to fit three meals into eight?

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And I'm like, just whatever you need. We did not

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have to put rules around this as such, and even

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the sixteen hour part I even say you don't have

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to count it, just somewhere in that vicinity you're going

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to have a meal, and you know whether you get

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to lunchtime, whether you some days I will my lunch

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breaks at two o'clock, but I have enough fuel and

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energy to get to two o'clock. So it's just interesting

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you play around with it.

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Yeah, that's good advice. That's really good advice. I hope

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forward slash happiness. Not you mentioned the importance of starting

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to take care of our reproductive health from early on,

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not just when you run into problems. And my daughter's

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just turned thirteen. All of her friends are turning thirteen.

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They're all hitting puberty, and I'm as a mother, I'm

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really interested in this, like, how do I help her

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to I guess, manage, you know, the whole hormonal thing

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as a teenager.

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It's tricky because we've made it really complicated, and it

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doesn't need to be. I think before we even get

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to thirteen. I think one of the ways that we

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can start to change this is speaking to our children

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from when they start to ask questions about, you know,

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where did I come from? How has I made? We

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have the most ridiculous answers, oh the stalk delivered you

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on the front step? You know? Does that then lead

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to all sorts of other issues of all what happens

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if you weren't home? And where you get was I abandoned?

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And you know, really silly stuff, right, So I think

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I really want to encourage parents to have and loved

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ones to have conversations as they arrive that are age appropriate.

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Kids are really funny. They we have an emotional attachment

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to our experience and we associate it to probably a

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sexual experience when we start to talk about puberty and

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hormones and whereas they haven't had that yet. So when

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you can speak the facts to them from the age

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that they start to ask, it becomes this beautiful, organic

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discussion that just continues to grow over time. Much like Mum,

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when I eat food, what happens? Well, my son asked

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me yesterday when I eat dinner. When I eat dinner,

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they come out one way and when I have a

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drink it comes out the other. And I'm like, that's

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exactly right, mate. But it's just the facts, and he

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was ready to learn that, just as you know, how

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is a baby made? Oh well, you need part of

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mum and part of dad, and you know you have

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these truthful conversations, which means that when we get to

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being eleven, twelve, thirteen and things start to change, it's

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just this natural progression of a conversation and there's a

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lot more support around it. I think never before, I

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know as a teenager, I didn't get all the facts.

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I went to a Catholic school. It wasn't appropriate to

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talk about a lot of things, and it's still now

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not deemed appropriate. I still speak in schools and get

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told what I can and can't say. Really, I find

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it fascinating. I say to parents all the time, Oh,

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your school just needs my book. And people have said

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to me, oh, yeah, but we're at a Catholic school

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and that would never happen, And I'm like, well, I'm sorry,

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but I didn't realize that. And I'm singling out Catholic

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just because that's what comes up a lot. It's across

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the board here, But I didn't you know that they're

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anatomy was any different to anybody else's. You know, That's

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that's such a cop out answer if you ask me,

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That's just doesn't make any sense. So I think we

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need to be having these open, truthful conversations that allow

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us it to continually evolve. However, in my research, what

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I've learned is we don't understand ourselves as the next

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genera or the following generation to be able to teach

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these young women. In my research, when I was writing

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Beautiful you. We discovered that forty percent of mothers didn't

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understand the difference between their vagina and their evolver. Now

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we can laugh about that, and there's a bit of

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a you know, we laugh about those words anyway, But

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the reality is, if we don't understand ourselves, how we're

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supposed to teach our daughters so true what they need

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to know. And I understand also it's a different time,

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but we were it was an uncomfortable conversation for us. Yeah,

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and it can be an uncomfortable conversation for us to

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have with our loved ones and our daughters. So I

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think we need to understand ourselves better. When we do that,

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then we can pass this information on. And I think

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that's actually really really important to continue also having that conversation.

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But you know the problems that I see that again,

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as mothers, we worry, and we can approach things out

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of fear and make shotgun decisions. When young women's hormones

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take a long time to settle down. We are not

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mature in our hormonal development as women into are twenty four,

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so up until the age of eighteen, and irregular menstrual

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cycle is quite normal, normal and we go through that phase,

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especially around sixteen, when we start to show PCOS like symptoms.

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Our body goes through a phase of that which is

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often that phase where as mothers, we freak out, we

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take our daughter to the doctor, and then we're on

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this slippery slope of synthetic hormones that actually, in the

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long run most of the time, aren't doing any favors

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to a developing body. If you shut down that system

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at sixteen, so the pill will do that, it will

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shut down the reproductive system. Come ten years later when

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we decide to can't transition off it because we're thinking

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about maybe having children. Your body has to start up

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where it left off. So if you haven't matured in

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your hormones and you shut that down, it has to

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continue to do that up until a point where it

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can start to cycle properly again. And this is where

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a lot of women are being caught out. They're saying,

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I didn't know that the pill was going to do this.

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I didn't know that synthetic hormones could actually have this impact.

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And also, if we are experiencing hormone imbalances, we really

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need to look at why just using something like the

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pill isn't treating it. Unfortunately. I think where it's useful,

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it's different to use it for contraception. That's what different

464
00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:42.759
conversation altogether. If we need a little bit of relief,

465
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.119
you know, a lot of girls are in pain with

466
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.039
their periods each month. They can be really heavy, they

467
00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.839
can have to take time off school. You know, that's

468
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.000
where it might be useful for a little bit of relief.

469
00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.839
But it's not a long term solution, unfortunately, and we've

470
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:57.680
sold it as that for a really long time. And

471
00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.759
that's a different conversation. But it's something I'm passionate about

472
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:05.440
because balancing young women's hormones when they're sixteen through to

473
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.759
twenty four is really where it counts for their long

474
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:09.960
term health, right menopause and beyond.

475
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.119
That's so interesting because that really is the time. I know,

476
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.000
not me personally, but I know of so many people

477
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.119
who will take their daughters to get on the pill,

478
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:20.759
or they will say, my daughter's asking to go on

479
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.640
the pill, not for contraception, but because she has these

480
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.400
really heavy periods. You know, they're painful periods, and maybe

481
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.599
this will be the solution, and so that women are

482
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:29.039
getting on.

483
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.400
The pill really young, totally and as a mother, you

484
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.440
want to give your daughters it's right, the best that

485
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.200
you can, and that's what is the option, and don't

486
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.599
We're also not saying that your doctor doesn't have your

487
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.559
best intention, you know, his best intentions for your child.

488
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:47.880
But also the problem here is that really synthetic hormones

489
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.240
should be prescribed by a gynecologist because there's so many

490
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.319
tests that really need to be run to use those,

491
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:55.920
and that's not your GP's job to do that. They

492
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.480
are a referring person and they're there to identify these

493
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.119
issues as they arise, but they're also the person that's

494
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.160
dispensing the pill as it stands, as well as you're gynecologist.

495
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:07.519
So I think being really curious and looking at the

496
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.119
symptoms and really asking the questions, but why, Like I

497
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.559
always say to patients, but why is that happening? I

498
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.519
understand you've got heavy periods? Why could that be? It's

499
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:18.839
usually one of three things, you know, it's not hard

500
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.039
to work out, is.

501
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:21.240
What are the three we want to know?

502
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:25.759
There's very much. It can be an iron issue. It

503
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:28.400
can be an excess estrogen issue, and that's most common.

504
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.039
You know, more estrogen, more lining, more bleeding, that makes

505
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.480
the most amount of sense, and from a complementary perspective,

506
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.359
often the gut is involved as well, so deficiency within

507
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.319
the gut can often lead to heavy bleeding, which is

508
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.920
kind of iron that kind of links back into that

509
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:48.119
as well. But usually it is excess estrogen. And you know, again, well,

510
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.839
then why is that? You know you're not metabolizing estrogen properly?

511
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.480
Have you upset your microbiome and your bacteria is not

512
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.640
doing that? Is your liver and not clearing properly. There's

513
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.720
so many reasons that can be and they've very simple

514
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:03.759
to actually address and not hard. We just need to

515
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.880
have the right information to do that. So there's always

516
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.920
I always say your body is talking to you all

517
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.000
the time. You just have to be still enough to

518
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.880
be able to listen. And if you can't do that,

519
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.599
then enlist someone else that can be a fresh pair

520
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:18.079
of eyes to be able to do that for you.

521
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.440
I'm glad that you went down that path because I

522
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.160
was going to ask you, so, what can we do?

523
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.559
What can we do from it? Natural?

524
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.640
Well? I think both. I think we need to rule

525
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.759
out anything sinister, and I would never say don't see

526
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.039
your doctor. That's dangerous. However, if the pill is what's

527
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:35.759
being offered, because that's all that there is at for

528
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.200
a sixteen year old, we're not gonna you shouldn't be

529
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.160
using a marina. That's silly. They haven't They don't even

530
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.359
have a developed uterus properly yet. It hasn't reached its

531
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:48.000
full potential. So the pill is really the option. And

532
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.680
the nice thing about the pill is that we can

533
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.920
stop it whenever we need to. It's not something that's

534
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.279
a device that needs to be removed. But if that's

535
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.319
what's being offered, then I would be getting a second

536
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.359
opinion and I would be looking at what else is

537
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.039
you know, driving this for a sixteen year old girl.

538
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:06.279
I don't know if you've stepped into a school lately.

539
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.039
You probably have because you have a daughter. But the

540
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:13.200
pressure that they are under as teenagers is out Like

541
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.680
I know that nothing in comparison to what we were

542
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:21.200
exposed to that severely disrupts your hormones. Stress hormones and

543
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.440
sex hormones they compete, and that's because you set your

544
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.279
stress hormones are there to help you get something, get

545
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.759
an outcome. You don't need your sex hormones to get

546
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:31.880
an outcome. Really, you don't need to have a period

547
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.960
to survive, you don't need to ovulate to survive, So

548
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.839
they kind of just get pushed to the side, whilst

549
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.680
the stress hormones get to really dictate and rule. And

550
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:43.119
they're supposed to do that as well, but not just

551
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.920
not at the level that we, you know, expose ourselves

552
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.279
to for that to happen. So that can be a

553
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:49.960
factor too, and I think we need to look at

554
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:51.920
that and a lot of young girls that I see,

555
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.200
it really is about getting them aware of how to

556
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.559
manage that. I don't think we're taught how to manage

557
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.000
stress very well either. We know it's there, we know

558
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:01.720
it's an issue, but what do we do. Yes, schools

559
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.200
are starting to bring things in like mindfulness, and we

560
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.519
have this awareness, but I think we've done up until now,

561
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:09.880
we haven't done the best job in teaching that.

562
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.880
That makes so much sense, and yet it's something that

563
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.559
most people would never even consider because obviously we know

564
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.960
that stress shuts down the reproductive system like that, it

565
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.079
impacts the reproductive system, but I've never really considered that.

566
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.480
But it's pretentious. Yeah, absolutely, but how that would affect well, yeah,

567
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.559
if you're shutting down some of those axis between your

568
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.000
brain and your ovaries and your adrenals or whatever it

569
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.079
might be, or you're disrupting that. Then of course it's

570
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.000
going to show up in various ways. Maybe it's delayed

571
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.880
or late periods, or painful periods, been painful periods. I say,

572
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:47.920
for most women, the level of pain in your period

573
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.839
is a direct reflection of the level of stress that

574
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.880
you're under. Interesting and if we can work out where

575
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.240
the stress is coming from, stresses and just being busy.

576
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.000
Stress could be looking in the mirror every morning, going

577
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.240
you look awful. It could be what's your liver doing?

578
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.559
You know, what chemicals you exposing yourself to. There's so

579
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.880
many things that it could be, so really assessing the

580
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.240
small things, the things we can change, things like you know,

581
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.160
turning off the Wi Fi overnight because that's doing ridiculous

582
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.079
things to your hormones and your daughter's hormones too, and

583
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:25.319
your son actually maybe switching to greener cleaning products, body products,

584
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:28.880
things that don't contain loads of endocrine disruptors. We know

585
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:34.720
those chemicals severely disrupt our sex hormones, your nutrition. If

586
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:36.720
I had a dollar for every time someone's like, God,

587
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.279
does it really matter. It's like, oh, that's the only

588
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:43.079
one thing you did was adjust your nutrition to support

589
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.519
your health. You I mean, I probably wouldn't have a job,

590
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.880
I would have nothing to do. But we think we

591
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.000
can get away with it and we love that. Oh

592
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.039
but I ate you know eighty twenty rule. I ate

593
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.759
healthy eighty percent of the time. But do you really

594
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:58.960
because if unless you're measuring that and work out what

595
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.119
that actually is, we're probably not doing that either. So

596
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.799
there's lots of little things that are well within our control,

597
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.599
and there's some things we just have to let go of.

598
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.519
We can't control the air we breathe when we walk

599
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.319
out the front door here, you know, to a degree,

600
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.880
our water quality, those sorts of things. We are pretty

601
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.400
lucky here, but there are a lot of places that

602
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.960
it's not great. So it's just analyzing the little things

603
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.400
and also living your life, which is really hard. At

604
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.359
the same time. We say all of this information, but

605
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.920
you know, if this all becomes too overwhelming and too hard,

606
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.039
then that's another stress that's try it's count adauctive, and

607
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.079
so sometimes we just gotta let it go to actually

608
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.039
be like throw our hands up in their air and

609
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:38.920
move on.

610
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.400
But I think for anybody listening to this, it's really

611
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.799
empowering and really reassuring to know that there are things

612
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.319
that they can do that there are things that they

613
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.880
can do today to change the way, like the physical environment,

614
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.119
the psychological environment that can make all the difference.

615
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.279
Absolutely. I mean again, a teenager probably doesn't have the

616
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:03.039
same level of not awareness, but I guess experience to

617
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:04.720
be able to look back and go, oh, when was

618
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.559
the last time I felt overwhelmed like this? And and what

619
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.880
always works out? Okay? I just need to remind myself

620
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.599
little things like that.

621
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.680
Oh well, I back, I do that with my daughter.

622
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.359
I'm got my psychologist, so of course I do. But

623
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.000
you know, from as early from for many years. She's

624
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.559
only thirteen now, but I've always taught her but remember

625
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.720
last time when this, and remember how that turned out,

626
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.880
and remind her that she has resilience and that she's

627
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:31.960
got through challenges before, and just fixing her like instilling

628
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:33.839
that sort of growth mindset resilience.

629
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.160
Absolutely yeah, and I think that is so important. I

630
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.759
think being able to do that. But I would say this, actually,

631
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.759
parents of teenagers say to me all the time, what

632
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.319
can I do? Like she just won't listen. Oh true, right,

633
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.680
and I'll say, at this point in time, you have

634
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.880
no other option but to be the example, because she's

635
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.599
going to mimic exactly what she sees. I know I

636
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.160
did that. I grew up in a lack of a

637
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.799
description at a hippie household. It was before you know,

638
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.720
healthy nutrition was cool. It was seen as like, oh,

639
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.799
they're that family, you know, whereas nowadays it's just normal

640
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.000
that we most of us have a fairly good understanding

641
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.839
of what we need to do. And so that was

642
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.839
ingrained in me from a really young age. I moved

643
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.200
away to study, to go to university. There was a

644
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.400
KFC around the corner. I was living my best life

645
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.839
with you know, I pretty much had I think a

646
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.400
Zingerberger every day for lunch for three years. But what

647
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.039
was really interesting is I got really unwell and I

648
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.799
gained a lot of weight. My periods were awful, Like

649
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.920
I remember, I just remember dreading them. I'd remember lying

650
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.400
on the bathroom floor. I would pass out from the pain.

651
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.200
I would be vomiting pretty much what endometriosis would probably

652
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.319
look like for most people. And I don't know what

653
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.720
it was, but just one day I decided I needed

654
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.319
to just clean up my lifestyle as you know, a

655
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.039
twenty one year old, and I didn't actually look at

656
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.599
the direct correlation between how my periods improved at that

657
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.240
time until maybe six seven months later, I went, oh, well,

658
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.359
they've actually been a whole lot better. And I went

659
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.759
back to what I knew and what I had been

660
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.240
exposed to as a teenager. So don't underestimate that it's

661
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.279
normal for us to rebel and go and do you know,

662
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:13.960
do what we think is the best thing for us

663
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.960
as an eighteen year old that's going to happen. But

664
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.920
I think being the example is really really important because

665
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.200
it is just becomes something that's part of our upbringing

666
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.599
and part of our innate behavior.

667
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.519
And so nat at the other we've talked a little

668
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.799
bit about puberty, and then at the other end of

669
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.720
the spectrum turning pretty early on early forties, a lot

670
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.880
of my friends, you know, we start getting into perimenopause

671
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.200
and all of that, and then going into the whole

672
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.119
HRT thing. Is your advice I need different or is

673
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.000
it pretty much all of the same kind of basic principles.

674
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.480
It's the basic same principles because what your hormones fundamentally

675
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.680
need from the day to day. And this is not

676
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:55.240
what you do at your doctor's office. It's what you

677
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.039
do in the home. It's the little things each and

678
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.640
every day that really add up. Doesn't really change, you know,

679
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.880
we need fat and protein for hormones. We need to

680
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:04.799
make sure our stress hormones are in balanced so that

681
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.320
our sex hormones can thrive. That doesn't really change. We

682
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.840
might need to tweak things slightly, but again the fundamentals

683
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.719
of this still lie with what we do for our

684
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.320
whole life, not just when we get to reach perimenopause

685
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:24.000
or menopause. Again, our hormones will be directly impacted by

686
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.480
our stress levels. So women going through menopause, I will

687
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.480
say to them, you know, if we can reduce the stresses,

688
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.239
and often it's a very stressful time because we either

689
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.320
have teenagers or young adults and the stress changes. And

690
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.000
then there's also this finding yourself again or hang on,

691
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:41.719
it gets to be about me a little bit and

692
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.199
who am I? And I lost my identity for a while.

693
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:50.000
And so again I can absolutely influence their symptoms through

694
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.039
that time based on helping to iron out what I

695
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.199
call the stress creases within their body, So doesn't really

696
00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.880
answer your question. Yes, but no, ha, the same things

697
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.639
still apply as principles, and you can definitely impact how

698
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.920
your body responds to that. I think the problem with

699
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.159
menopause especially is that again, because we are so stressed

700
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.159
and our ovaries are supposed to pass on their role

701
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.159
to the adrenals, but the adrenals obviously are under so

702
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:22.440
much pressure releasing all of your stress hormones and responding

703
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.079
to that that the ovaries are like, I'm ready to

704
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.960
pass this job on and the adrenals are like, well,

705
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.960
I can't do that today, And that can go on

706
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.920
for many years for women, and menopause are supposed to be,

707
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.239
you know, a transition. It's not supposed to be a

708
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.559
death sentence. And if you can get your hormones kind

709
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.519
of in check along that often you don't need HRT.

710
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.559
And I would be using HRT as a last result

711
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.039
because it is a result of hormone imbalance. And yes,

712
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.679
our hormones do become out of balanced at that time,

713
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:51.559
but they don't need to be polar opposite ends of

714
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.400
the scale. If we can bring them more into line,

715
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:55.800
then the symptoms are going to be far more manageable.

716
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.079
Can I just ask one other question that out of interest?

717
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.559
So when you talk about supplements, I completely understand disclaim

718
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.719
a disclaimer. There is no one size fits all here,

719
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.039
But what are the kinds of things that you would

720
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.119
prescribe as a doctor of Chinese medicine to four hormone

721
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:12.960
balancing kind of specifically?

722
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.840
So I always use Chinese medicine as medicine and then

723
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.840
supplements as supplements, so much like you would go and

724
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.599
get medicine from your doctor for something to really change

725
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.159
the way that the body behaves, that's where we would

726
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.480
use that role of plants and herbal medicine, and you

727
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.559
know it's very effective and has proven to be for

728
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.400
thousands of years. But when it comes to supplements, I

729
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:38.400
will say most you can't. You cannot out You can't

730
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.320
outsupplement a bad diet like you just can't. So you

731
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:44.239
need to make sure that those fundamentals are there. However,

732
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.239
magnesium is definitely one of those supplements that we just

733
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.320
actually can't meet the demands of our body anymore through

734
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.199
nutrition alone. We've sterilized our soils, that's how that gets

735
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.800
into our food, and it's a bit of a sad

736
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.800
state and hopefully we'll see that change as we now

737
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.800
to look after our land and our farming better. But

738
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.800
magnesium is truly should come with a light, little red

739
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.519
cape on the bottle. Over three hundred and fifty energy

740
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:14.199
processes within our body require magnesium to work properly, interesting,

741
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.159
and under stress, we use more of it. So not

742
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.800
only do we not have it, we require more of it,

743
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.360
and we're using more of it when we're under stress,

744
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.400
So most of us are depleted. But I mean I

745
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.559
use magnesium from everything from anxiety to PMS to period pain,

746
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.719
ovulation pain, so many things it really helps with. And

747
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.039
it's just because it does help our bodies cope better.

748
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.519
Again with that S word being stress, so that's probably

749
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.599
one of the main ones. B vitamins as well. Yeah,

750
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.440
really important to help us manage because again, we are

751
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.920
subject to so much stress. I say to patients, though,

752
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:48.400
you can't just take this and then not assess where

753
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:50.880
this is coming from. And stress is a vicious cycle

754
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.119
because we buy into it and then we jump on

755
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.800
this sort of whirlwind and it's really hard to get off.

756
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.440
And what I say to them is we can't continue

757
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.360
to supplement for that. You need to make some better choices,

758
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.199
because otherwise we'll just do this forever. So, really, can

759
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.639
you stand back and just assess what are you stressed about?

760
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.760
And does it actually warrant you to be stressed because

761
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.480
you're probably choosing it because you chose it yesterday to

762
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.599
get an outcome, and here we are again today. So

763
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.960
can we stand back? Can we assess what's going on?

764
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:23.000
And you've probably got one major stress in your life

765
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.679
that in that point in time and the rest doesn't

766
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.880
really matter that much, and there's usually a solution for that,

767
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.039
and we always figure it out, don't we.

768
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:31.280
We do.

769
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.519
So, really, again having that perspective, when was the last

770
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.719
time I felt like this? And it was? Okay?

771
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:43.000
Yes, Nat, this has been a really, really interesting and

772
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.079
worthwhile conversation. I thank you for your time.

773
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.199
Thank you for letting me have the conversation. I think

774
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.440
it's like anyone any one of your guests. I'm sure

775
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.840
they're passionate about their cause and they really want everybody

776
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.480
to be able to have more information. But it's up

777
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.400
to us to educate this next generation. So I really

778
00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.639
want to empower people to do that.

779
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:01.960
And I just want to say, like we always love

780
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.239
to leave people with really practical tips and you've given

781
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.920
us some really good solid things we can all go

782
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.639
and do right now ground to help sort out our hormones.

783
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:16.880
Thank thank you well.

784
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.440
I hope you had your notepad and pen out taking

785
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.280
notes for that one. You can catch Nat on her

786
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:26.400
social media at her website natcringgudas dot com, or on

787
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.159
her podcast The Wellness Collective, which she hosts alongside Cecilia

788
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:37.239
Ramstyle right here on Podcast one Australia. My new book,

789
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.800
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790
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all good bookstores, so if you want to find more

791
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happy in work, go and check it out. On the

792
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.119
next episode, I'll be talking to Ariel Gartan, who's the

793
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founder of the Muse brain sensing headband, about how getting

794
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.320
real time feedback on your brain's activity can boost your

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meditation practice. Harappy to Have He is presented by cast Down,

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