Oct. 13, 2025

How to be less "Busy & Wrecked" with Dermot Whelan

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Season 16 Psychology & Neuroscience Personal Growth & Healing Mindfulness & Acceptance

Dermot Whelan was one of Ireland's most successful radio hosts and television presenters for over 20 years. When he had a panic attack on the way to performing at a comedy festival, he decided to put aside his scepticism and explore how meditation could help him manage the stress and anxiety that came along with working in such a fast-paced, high pressure career.

Dermot now combines mindfulness with comedy in a way that allows him to pursue both of his passions while offering audiences a pathway to exploring the benefits of meditation that is light-hearted, realistic and relatable.

Dermot is performing his "Busy and Wrecked" standup show in Sydney, Australia on Friday 28th November.

For tickets and UK/Ireland tour dates, go to https://dermotwhelan.com/tour-dates/

In this conversation, we explore how humour can serve as a powerful tool for connection and healing, and how Dermot's dedication to meditation has improved his personal life and shaped his professional endeavours. With two best-selling books under his belt, Dermot continues to inspire others to embrace mindfulness in their everyday lives, proving that it’s possible to laugh while we navigate the challenges of modern life.

Connect with Dermot:
www.dermotwhelan.com
www.instagram.com/dermotwhelanofficial
Tickets for Busy & Wrecked Tour: https://dermotwhelan.com/tour-dates/

Connect with Cass:

www.cassdunn.com
www.instagram.com/cassdunn_xo

Contact Crappy to Happy:

Email: hello@crappytohappypod.com
www.crappytohappypod.com
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Chapters

00:00 - Untitled

00:04 - Introduction to Crappy to Happy

01:13 - The Journey into Stand-Up Comedy

12:46 - The Turning Point: Awakening to Mindfulness

20:08 - The Burden of Busyness

28:02 - Navigating Burnout and Finding Fulfillment

45:26 - Navigating the Balance of Productivity and Well-Being

48:14 - Finding Presence in Everyday Life

Transcript
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This is Crappita Happy and I am your host, Cas Dunn.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist. I'm mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course author of the Crappita Happy books. In

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this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent

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people who are experts in their field and who have

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something of value to share that will help you feel

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less crappy and more happy. Derbertt Wheeler has had a

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long and successful career as a radio and TV broadcaster, comedian,

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public speaker and voiceover artist. For twenty one years, he

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co hosted the hugely successful Dvermot and Dave Show on

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Ireland's leading national radio station. He is, in fact, they are,

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in fact the Irish version of Hamish and Andy. So

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that is cudos and he's the winner of fifteen IMRO.

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I don't know what that is.

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I assume it's some Irish, very important Irish awards, national

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radio awards including Best Music Presenter and Best Music program Now.

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A few years into Dermott's stand up career, he had

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a panic attack on his way to a show, and

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around that time he discovered that meditation really helped him

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to manage stress and anxiety like many of us, and

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he'll fill us in on the details. His commitment to

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meditation did waiver for a time, until eventually he suffered

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a burnout in twenty seventeen, when he returned with a

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vengeance and in fact dedicated himself more than ever to

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meditation and trained to be a meditation teacher. He has

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since published two books, mind Full in twenty twenty one

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and just this year, Busy and Wrecked. Dermott, now, I

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find this fascinating, combines his love of comedy and performing

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with his love of meditation and well being. And if

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this sounds like something that might be of interest to you,

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than good news. He is taking his stand up show

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Busy and Ragged to Australia this coming November.

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Dermott, welcome to crappy to have you.

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Thank you so much, Cas, I'm so excited to be here.

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I'm a big fan of yours.

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Thank you, Thank you. Now, Dermott.

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In the time that we have, I won't ask you

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to tell me your whole personal history, but you did

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come to stand up and radio quite late, relatively speaking

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compared to one other people my start, because you studied

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archaeology first.

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Yeah, that was so useful.

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Right, it's such a natural progression, I mind, the archaeology pathway.

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Well, you said, I was only yesterday playing the new

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Indiana Jones video game with my daughter, she's fourteen, and

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we like those kind of exploration games, and it was

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Raiders of the Last Darc that lit up something in

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me and I wanted to be Indiana Jones. And very

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quickly into my archaeology career, I realized it's nothing like

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Indiana Jones, especially in Ireland, where you're just sitting in

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a wet ditch for eight hours a day.

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Yeah right, Yeah, But even though you had that diversion

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for a time there, were you always drawn to perform?

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Like were you always the class clown? Did you sort

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of have that in you?

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Yeah? I think so, and I think you know, you

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can usually spot a future performer if they're an ultra

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boy or girl. And in Ireland, I don't know if

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it's the same in Australia, but generally speaking, you know,

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if I grew up in a rural area, so the

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only stage in town was the altar pretty much, you know,

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it's Sunday mass so if you can get up on there,

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they had their own wardrobe, department. You know, you got

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things to do, props, et cetera. So I guess, you know,

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I definitely had a desire to get up in front

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of people from an early age. And I guess I

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was I was a small kid. I was very shy,

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quite nervous, and I identified, particularly in you know, in

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secondary school, in high school, that humor was something that

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could get me out of sticky situations. Yeah, you know,

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and my own meditation teacher, and I know you talk

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about this yourself in your books, but you know, he

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referred to it as your winning formula. You know, at

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that early age, we we we find our winning formula,

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the things that work for us in particularly in social situations,

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and for me as a teenager, you know, making people laugh,

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I realize, And you remember little moments. I remember somebody saying,

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you know, hey, leave him alone, he's funny. Really yeah,

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And I remember and right that in that moment, I

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guess it was programmed that, you know, humor was always

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going to be an important tool.

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To me social capital.

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Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I guess you know

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we've all been through. I'm sure if you think back

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to your own childhood, there's certain strengths are certain personality

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traits that you lean do to, you know, to create

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those connections and get over anxiety or stress with things

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like that.

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For sure, humor was a big one for me too,

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comes up very highly on my VA strengths, which we

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were talking about before the show. Yeah, stand up. So

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you say that you're quite a shy and anxious kid.

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I can't think of anything more terrifying. I mean, people

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rate public speaking as more scary than dying, you know,

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and as even as public speaking goes, stand up comedy

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strikes me as probably one of the most terrifying things

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to do. I'm just interested to know, well, was it

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terrifying for you? But also just like what is that

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kind of emotional for me? Like roller coaster? Like what

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is the emotional experience of doing stand up?

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Yeah, it's a funny one. And you know what, the

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more comedians I meet and all the comics I've met

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over the years, we all most of shared that sort

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of trait where we're introverts and would have anxiety in

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certain social situations, but yet at the same time we

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do the thing that seems to be completely at odds

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with our natural state, and that's get up in front

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of people, you know, when we know it affects us.

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You know, people's reactions to it affect us more than

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your average person, you know. And maybe some of your

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listeners can relate to that. Maybe they find themselves in

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their jobs or you know, in a corporate setting put

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their hands up for roles or presentation giving or whatever,

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when they part of them inside is going, what are

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you doing? Are you crazy?

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You know?

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And I've put a lot of thought into it, and

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I was like, what is the thing that drives us

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to get up onto that stage and put ourselves at

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that kind of social risk? And you know, you've spoken

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about flow state in your books, and I think that

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I think there's lots of reasons, but I think one

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of them is that on stage, when you're performing, it

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doesn't happen every time, but a lot of the time

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flow state can happen. And in that state, as you know,

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the self critical voice, either the volume gets turned way

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down or it shuts the hell up altogether. So even

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though on paper from the outside it can look terrifying,

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and often it is, particularly if it doesn't go right,

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but there are those moments where it does go right

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and you feel that connection with the audience, you feel

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the connection to your own strengths, your own sense of humor,

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and you hit that sense of flow and that's a

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magical state. And once you get it once, just like

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any extreme sport, I guess you just want to get

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back up there and do it again.

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Yeah, you know, like a bit of it like a

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dopamine hit.

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Is it like adrenaline rush?

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It's I think it's everything.

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Yeah.

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In fact, I did a parachute jump one time for

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charity with a comedian Palamne, and when we, you know,

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reach the ground after we'd stopped screaming, both of us

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looked at each other and went, oh my god, that

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was amazing. Stand up is scarier, you know. So I

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think it has adrenaline and dopamine and all those things,

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and I think, as well, that's I guess one of

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the traps. One of the cliches about comedians or performers

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in general that a lot of them have addiction issues,

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because what do you do when you come off stage

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and you're that high and you hear people saying, you know,

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I just you know, if I don't do something to

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come down off that, if I don't have a few

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beers or whatever it is, I can't get to sleep

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or you know, so I think that's you know, one

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of the potential downfalls obviously is that you're dealing with

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very extreme highs and lows, and if you it's very

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easy to reach for unhealthy things to try and manage those.

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Yeah, and that goes for obviously specifically in that situation,

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but a lot of people would relate to that. You

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also got into radio, and in the interest of Tom,

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I won't get you to tell the whole getting into

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radio story, but live radio is also live radio and comedy.

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These are two things that are really two jobs that

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really where you subject yourself to fairly intense public scrutiny,

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you know, and I think particularly my podcast network in

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Australia was owned by the biggest radio network in Australia.

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So while I did a podcast, I was kind of

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adjacent to radio.

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And I'm very aware of this.

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The you know, it's all about the ratings and the audience,

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and people just lose their jobs overnight. They're they're not performing,

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they're out and I'm just wondering for you, how did

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you cope or in hindsight, you know, especially in those

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early days. How did you cope with that kind of

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scrutiny and pressure.

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I just sort of grinned and bared it. In fact,

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all the people, the consultants who were brought in to

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give out to me and Dave who I did my

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show with all those years, were generally Australian. Yeah, because

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Australia was and still is seen as the home of

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creative radio, and this is where a lot of the

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big radio and TV shows have come from, you know,

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the big formats and things. So I was always used

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to being given out to in an Australian accident. In

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the early years of radio, I started a news actually,

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and I remember in the early days as a newsreader,

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I didn't really know anything about current affairs. I just

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again thought I was going to fling myself in there.

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I was always a good mimic, so I could do

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an impression of a newsreader, and I could do quite

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a good newsreader voice, particularly when I watched things like

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Sky News, where people talk in that weird way that

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nobody does a normal life, and they leave big gaps

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between their words. So I was able to do a

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reportery newsreader voice, and so I got the job.

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So they gave you a niche job.

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They gave me an job. Yeah, and then I just

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sort of winged it from there. But I do remember

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having I guess, looking back now, what would be panic

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attacks on the air, where my throat used to kind

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of close up and my voice would sort of turn

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quite worryingly yoda ish. So I had to step out

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of the booth and then went out to become a reporter.

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And you know, I guess sometimes it's funny now and

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I think, why didn't I think there was anything wrong?

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I just didn't. I just thought, well, that was weird.

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You know, well, I'll just find another way to do it.

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You know, I think there's a lot more awareness now

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in conversations anyway about anxiety. So that was kind of

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the very early naughties, and nobody was particularly talking about mindfulness, right,

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you know, anxiety or anything like that.

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No, they weren't.

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No, So you had a panic attack which you had

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never experienced before, and that was kind of a turning

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point for you.

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Yeah. I was driving down to perform at a comedy festival,

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which was a big break for me, and I was

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really excited, and I guess it was kind of indicative

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of that state of mind that I was in, and

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I guess sometimes we all can fall into sometimes, is that,

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you know, I had one foot on the accelerator in

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terms of I'm going after this. You know, I was

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rising the ranks and stand up comedy pretty quickly, and

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it was all going great. But then it was like

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my other foot was on the break, going You're going

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to fail. This is terrible. They'll find you out. You're

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not a real comedian. You're a radio guide, you know.

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was always going in my mind just peaked at this

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particular time because you know, I was using alcohol as

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my way of navigating stress and trying to keep my

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nervous system at bay, and we all know that doesn't

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particularly work too well as a long term heal strategy,

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our stress management tool. Yeah, And I remember just I

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had to stop the car, pulled it over. I felt

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like there was somebody like literally sitting on me, and

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I thought I was dying. I had never had anything

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that acute before and thought I couldn't breathe. I was

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gasping for air, and I thought that's it. I'm going

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to die here on the side of the road. In

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a very unromantic place called Moulinavat, which is, you know,

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you don't have to know to know what it's like.

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You don't want to end your legacy there, you know,

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outside of Bungalow on this you know, near a roundabout,

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and I remember the ambulance came and I got on

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that and they said it's okay, you're not dying. And

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they gave me a very important piece of life saving equipment,

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which was a brown paper bag, and I breathed into that.

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I don't think it was an official, you know, health

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service brown paper bag because it definitely smelt of ham sandwiches.

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But I was wondering, was the driver of the ambulance

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like rubbing mustard off his face here? Give them that.

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But yeah, that kind of I guess woke me up,

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you know, to the fact that, Okay, if I'm gonna

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want to take on all these exciting challenges, I'm going

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to have to find ways of managing the stress that

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these challenges bring. So quite by accident, I met a

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lady who just asked me to mc her book launch

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just to welcome people to it. She'd just written a novel,

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and I found out that she was teaching meditation to

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the Irish police Force, and I was like, really, really,

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I was very cynical about the whole meditation thing. I

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thought it was for It was very Californian, you know,

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and just for people who naturally look good in linen,

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you know, particularly white linen. You know, you google meditations

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always people of white linen, and I think, you know,

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as Irish people, we can't wear that. It just looked

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like there's too many freckles. We look like we're in

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our pajamas or yeah, or were very impractical for a

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wet Irish winter. Yeah, we just looked like we've escaped

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from over a high wall, which we shouldn't from somewhere

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we shouldn't have. But I quickly realized that actually, no,

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this stuff, you know, because she was using it with

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law enforcement. I was like, Okay, I think you're going

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to have to drop some of the cynicism. Maybe an

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you need to do something. So yeah, I started and

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got great benefits from it.

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Yeah, well that's what I'm interested to know.

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Now, what did you notice? What did you notice in you?

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And I guess what did other people notice around you

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when you started meditating?

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Well it's a bit kind of like when you start

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going to the gym, are working out, isn't it. You know,

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a lot of the time, it's not you that notices

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necessarily first, it's other people see it in you. And

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it was actually my wife, Karina. She said, have you

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noticed how patient you are with the kids at bedtime?

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Because they were quite small, and you know kids small

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kids' bedtime can be a sort of a stress peak,

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you know, in the day if you've had a long

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and stressful day and they're running around it won't do

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what you want them to do, and you're thinking, I

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just want to sit on the couch and zone out.

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And I guess I probably had been sort of rushing

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through that and using my dad voice quite a lot.

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Come on, I've gone on her pajamas. But she notices

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that you're really patient, now, you know. So I was

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like really, She's like, yeah, you're totally different. And when

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I look, I was like, I am. You know, not

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only was I not rushing through it, you know, I

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was savoring it. I didn't want them to go to

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sleep because we were having fun, you know. Yeah. So

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and you know, the more I thought about that, in hindsight,

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I was like, you know, I think a lot of

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our lives, particularly for caught up in business and stress,

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we can not only take those moments for granted, but

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I actually missed them. You know. They're the golden moments.

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You know, if we're on our deathbed, these are the

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things we'll be thinking about, you know. We won't be

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sort of reaching out our frail hand to the person

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at the side of the bed and go, I wish

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I'd made more teams calls. I've wasted my life, you know. No,

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we're thinking how was I with the people I care

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about the most. That's kind of it, really, you know,

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so it can seem you know, I wasn't a terrible

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for before this. It wasn't. If my wife was saying,

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well done, Dermott, you haven't hit the kids in twenty minutes.

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This meditation is really working for you. She was just

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noticing that. I guess I was more present, and I

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was more patient, and I was more myself, you know,

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but I guess other things improved my sleep. That was

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always an issue generally for me. Either I felt like

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I just couldn't get enough of it, or I was

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and I did do breakfast radio. So that kind of

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comes with the territory. But that waking up in the

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middle of the night, that three am, little beautiful holiday

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we take at nighttime. You know, we're just also in

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the ceiling. We go, great, what'll we worry about now

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for the next three hours till the arm goes up, So, yeah,

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I'm asleep. Improved my patience, my creativity, you know in

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the radio studio and stuff like that, So a lot

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of things improved.

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Yeah, I noticed that too when I started to meditate.

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I just noticed I was calmer, less reactive to things

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that would have normally, I know, I would have irritated me.

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I was like, it's just a bit of you know,

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it was a subtle thing.

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But obviously now I know more, and as you do too,

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you know about the science of why that happens. But

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I think also when you're saying about how these are

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the moments to savor, like you actually have to slow

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down enough to just have that realization because we're usually

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just so busy, like we're just so with the doing

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and the onto the next thing and the next thing,

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and I've got this other thing to do and that

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thing's due, and this is all just an inconvenience to me.

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It's only when you actually give yourself that space, isn't

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it to slow down? Yeah, that you get that perspective.

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Yeah, you know, I called my book busy and wrecked

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because they were the two words that I kept hearing

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from people. I don't know if saying I'm wrecked is

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a particularly Irish way of saying you're exhausted.

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Yeah it is.

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It rcked. I think Rector is kind of drunk in Australia.

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I have to audience will be able to tell me a.

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Lot of works. Yeah, both ways. But yeah, people, I

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just I started to know is the chronic busyness in

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people's conversations and how our conversations had changed because for me,

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you know the way it used to be. You know,

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you say to someone how are you, and you would say,

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I'm fine, thanks, how are you? But I sort of

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noticed as soon as you ask somebody how are you,

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oh my god, don't talk to me. I'm so busy.

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I'm crazy busy, I'm swamped, I'm slammed, I don't know

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whether I'm coming or going to chase my tail. And

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then there will be a kind of a pause as

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you know, they realized, Okay, all of that sounds really unhinged,

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and I have no time management skills and I've completely

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lost the run of myself. And that I noticed that

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we would they would throw in the classic phrase, but

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you know, good busy, so it would be busyness rant

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moment of realization, but good busy. And I became fascinated

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about that, and I wonder how many of your listeners

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and viewers have used that phrase? Maybe even today our

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engaged in a busyness tirade, and I was going, why

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are we doing that? Because I realized I was doing

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it too, So I started to become kind of mildly

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obsessed with looking into busyness, and I began to wonder, like,

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is good busy real Is it a thing that we

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you know? Is it an excuse or like a sticking

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plaster that we just stick on when we realize actually,

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our life is my life is operating at a pace

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I'm not comfortable with. But because I seem to have

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chosen all those things, then it must be good busy.

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You know, our is good busy somewhere that we can

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aspire to reach, where yes, we chase our dreams and

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we go after all the things that we want to do,

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and we feel a bit of stress, and we feel

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that turbulence, but it's not at the expense of the

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people and things that really matter for us. So that

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kind of set me on the trajectory of the book

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and the live show. And yeah, but I began to

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realize that actually the world has changed an awful lot

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in terms of how we celebrate business. Yea. You know,

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there's an interesting study from lots of studies, but mostly

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from Columbia University in the States as a a woman

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called Sylvia Berletto. It has done a load of work

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on our perception of busyness and the reward that we

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seem to get from it are to you know, the

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importance that we give it. And what they found was,

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you know, when we engage in those little that little

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merry busyness dance in conversations, I'll tell you how busy

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I am, and then you come back telling me how

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much more busy you are. That what we're doing is

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actually raising our social importance. We're raising our social value.

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And the less time we can demonstrate that we have

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for our personal lives, the more we work, the more

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we can demonstrate that we use tech to multitask that

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you know, if we can have something visible on our

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around us that demonstrates multitasking, that this also elevates our

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social importance. So this is like what we're doing, like

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two little birds in the wild flicking their busy feathers.

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We're saying, look, how important I am. I have a

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heart rate of one hundred and seventy five. I haven't

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put my kids to bed in four weeks because I

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haven't been home, and I was so exhausted this morning.

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I call the bus driver mommy. But you know what,

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it's all good, busy yay. You know, you're like, yeah,

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that sounds like a fantastic nervous breakdown you're having yourself.

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How do I get one?

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You know? Yeah?

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So yeah, that's the little the merry dance we do.

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You know.

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They even did studies on They did a study on

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Super Bowl lads and how our perception of success has

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changed in recent decades. So they looked like the eighties

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and nineties and rich people in the Super Bowl ads

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were on yachts, you know, just looking out to see

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while you know, staff on the boat ran around doing

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the work. Are it's someone lounging that classic image of

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someone lying by a pool and the waiter comes along

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with the tray of drinks and oh yes, thank you James.

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You know, fast forward to more recent decades are like

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this decade, and you know, the teens or whatever we

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call them, the Super Bowl ads have changed in terms

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of the definition of wealth and success. Now instead of

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somebody engaged in leisurely activities, they're running from a boardroom

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on the phone, jumping into the limo, heading to the

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airport to get onto the private jet.

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Really interesting.

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Yeah, So the idea of success and wealth and you know,

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following your dreams is very much caught up in rushing

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and doing and getting after it and maximizing your potential.

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And anything you know, particularly rest is to be you know,

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sneered at because it's not particularly productive.

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Yeah, and that just brings up so much like because

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on the flip side, if you're not busy, how that

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then impacts people's sense of their own self worth. You know,

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people have this sort of existential dread if they're not

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busy or doing something all of the time.

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Yeah.

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But it's even interesting if you watch how we throw

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it out not only as something to boost our own

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importance obviously, you know, subconsciously we're doing it, but we

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offer it as a compliment. And it's something I noticed

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in recent years, because two years ago this week, actually

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I left my perfectly good, well paid radio job to

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do what I'm doing now, mixed out up comedy and meditation,

461
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:39.240
and so for the first time in my working life,

462
00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:42.039
I was just doing one thing at a time, and

463
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.599
I was sitting down to write my book, and that

464
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:47.279
was my job for three months or whatever it was.

465
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:49.680
Usually I would have been doing it on top of

466
00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:53.240
fifty other things. And so people would look at my

467
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.519
social media and just because social media always makes you

468
00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.039
look very productive and busy, and they'd say, oh my god,

469
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.000
you did so great. You're you're so busy, and I

470
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.559
would go, I'm not, actually, I'm not busy at all.

471
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.119
I'm actually focusing on just one thing, just writing a

472
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.480
book in the end of my garden. And they wouldn't

473
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.240
know what to say. They would just want the ground

474
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.519
to open up. It would kill the conversation. The next

475
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.119
time somebody goes, so, how are you getting on You're busy?

476
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.440
Just go no, no, I just ate Dorito's for seven hours.

477
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.920
That's all I did today. It's we kept we don't

478
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.440
know what to do with it because you by you

479
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:36.759
saying I'm not busy, it just throws everything, of course,

480
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.960
but no busy is good. You know, are you sick

481
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.720
or what? You know? Is there some we don't know

482
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:44.480
what to do? You know?

483
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:46.400
Yeah? So interesting?

484
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:47.799
Yeah.

485
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.720
Can we just go back a bit too, Can we

486
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:51.640
go back a bit to the burnout? Because you started,

487
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.039
you learned the meditation, it was really helpful to you.

488
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:57.359
Then fast forward how long until all that all came

489
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.279
undone and you got back into it. I'm just curious

490
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:00.960
about that time.

491
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:01.279
Yeah.

492
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.839
I think I got into meditation around twenty eleven and

493
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:10.640
then was fairly solid at it, probably up until about

494
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:18.279
twenty fourteen or fifteen. I got a big the radio job,

495
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.200
got a bit more high profile. We've switched radio stations, whatever,

496
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.680
and so I got into the work. And then we

497
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.640
did a live version of our radio show, you know,

498
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.960
the stage version, which we took on tour as well.

499
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.920
And I was doing all kinds of other things and

500
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.160
bits of TV as well at the time, and I

501
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.720
just had let the the meditation go because it's just

502
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.759
the most human thing, isn't it that we do? You know,

503
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.640
we go, we finally find something that really works for us,

504
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:48.160
and we go see that thing, see that thing I

505
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.119
was doing that changed my life. I'm never doing it again.

506
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.039
It's like I'll take it from here, thank you very much,

507
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.160
you know. And sure enough the stress started to creep

508
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.680
back in, and it actually culminated in a day where

509
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.599
I was I just felt all wrong. I was exhausted.

510
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:13.799
The thought of just answering emails or having a conversation

511
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.599
or doing anything just seemed insurmountable. And I remember I

512
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.160
just took myself to my doctor because I thought, just

513
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.039
go to your GP, as we say in Ireland, Yeah,

514
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.160
to just go there. And I remember I sat down

515
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:27.759
from this lovely woman and she was like sort of

516
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:29.640
finishing off whatever she was doing, and she turned to

517
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.559
me she said, so what can we do for you today?

518
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.480
And I burst into tears. It's sat there and I'm

519
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.759
not a crier, you know. I cry maybe a rugby

520
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.319
matches if my team Monster you know, won or haven't one.

521
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.359
But I suddenly was having one of those kind of

522
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:52.359
shoulder shaking big releases. And after about ninety seconds, which

523
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.079
is quite a long time to cry in front of

524
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.759
a stranger, I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.

525
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.160
I think I just think I'm completely overwhelmed. I think

526
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.119
I'm burnt out, this thing that burnout. I think this

527
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.000
is it and I'll never forget what she said to me.

528
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:12.039
She said, with a lot of kindness, me too, I'm

529
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.359
completely burnt out. And I was like what.

530
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:16.240
It?

531
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.839
Yeah? I was like, really are you? And She's like, no,

532
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:23.440
I have like a whole lot of patients out there.

533
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.240
I don't know how I'm going to get through the day.

534
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.039
And I was like, I don't know what does say

535
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.119
to her? After a while, I just said, have you

536
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.359
tried exercise? Do you want me to write you a prescription?

537
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:35.680
Really?

538
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:39.319
Yeah? So she was completely at the end of her

539
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.079
teather as well. So the two of us were just

540
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:46.359
these two burnt out humans sitting like we are now

541
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.400
going what do we do? And you know what, like

542
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.559
I realized in that moment, this is where we are.

543
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.839
This is where the business has brought us. You know,

544
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:03.359
even particularly people like yourself, you know people who's calling

545
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.920
you know, who've dedicated their lives to helping other people's

546
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.839
that's the mission. Like this doctor I was sitting with,

547
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.359
you know, she was completely burnt out A lot of

548
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.440
time there, I'm not suggesting you are, but you know

549
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.839
that prof you know, people who give a lot in

550
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.680
their profession. This is how can they help us if

551
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:22.680
that's how they're feeling. That's what I was thinking, you know.

552
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.920
So yeah, I charge her eighty five year own totally

553
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.279
to come back in a week. Things didn't improve. So

554
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.400
at that point, I said, you know what you can

555
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.759
keep you know, just flinging, losing yourself in busyness and

556
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.960
drinking pints of the weekend and hoping it'll all be fine.

557
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.680
Are you can lean into the thing that the one

558
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.799
thing that you know has worked for you. So I

559
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.960
decided I would just do the teacher training just to

560
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:56.240
really focus myself and apply myself and with no intention

561
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.680
of ever becoming a teacher. But then it just sort

562
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.759
of after that. I trained with a lovely guy called

563
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.200
David G's, California based, so ironically, I did train in

564
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.599
California with a load of hippies and did the whole

565
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:13.680
crystal thing. But obviously what I liked is that he

566
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:17.359
came at it from the scientific side and the you know,

567
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.240
the more eastern traditional way of looking at it. And

568
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.400
I liked the merging of those two things because I

569
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.720
think you can. You know, the more people, more types

570
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.079
of people you can relate to, the more the chance

571
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.799
to have of finding something helpful in it, you know.

572
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:34.880
And for years that it felt like I had these

573
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:39.119
two sides to myself. I had this sort of quiet, introvert, spiritual,

574
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.200
you know, deeper part of me, and then I had

575
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.519
a look at me jazz hands shouty man on the radio,

576
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.720
and I thought, how am I ever going to make

577
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.359
these two? You know, it was like having two sets

578
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.240
of friends out of dinner party and You're like, how

579
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:55.920
am I going to get these people to talk to

580
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.839
each other? And I guess it just sort of happened,

581
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.640
you know what happened. It happened in one particular week,

582
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.559
and it ties into a lot of things that you

583
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:09.519
talk about in your work in terms of, you know,

584
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.440
finding those things that light that fire in your belly,

585
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.079
and that we change over time, and that things that

586
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.319
did excite us in the past or that we you know,

587
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.240
might may not necessarily be right for us nowadays. And

588
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.359
you encourage people to, you know, to constantly check in

589
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.200
with themselves and say what's important to me now? And

590
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.240
have my values change and all that. But it was

591
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.519
a beautiful demonstration of what you talk about In that

592
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.839
I did a comedy gig in the three Arena as

593
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.400
a venue in Dublin with Dave and that should have

594
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.559
been like the pinnacle of my you know, the of

595
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.799
my career, of everything that I'd worked towards. This was

596
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.400
an arena comedy gig. Incredible, and I remember driving over

597
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.119
and I was like, h you know, I wonder what's

598
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.839
for dinner. And then two days later I gave a

599
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:05.200
meditation talk to thirty slightly interested people in an insurance

600
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.680
company about a half a mile from that arena, and

601
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.119
I came out of it like high fiving, you know,

602
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.240
the world. I was like, oh my god, that was incredible.

603
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.759
You know, I think I reached one person. The thousands

604
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.440
in the in the arena didn't matter.

605
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.440
It was how interesting it was reaching that.

606
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.960
And I when I thought about why is this happening?

607
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:34.079
I think for me it represents that the word fulfillment,

608
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.160
which we hear about a lot but kind of you know,

609
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.720
sometimes feel like we're never reaching it. When we can

610
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:46.680
bring you know, as many parts of ourselves to the

611
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.359
table in one go, it feels fulfilling, you know. It

612
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.200
ties into the strengths subject, which you talk about so

613
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.400
well that when we're bringing more of our strengths to something,

614
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.880
it feels exciting, It feels easy, it feels it doesn't

615
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.119
mean that it's it's not a challenge, but it just

616
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.599
feels more. It just lights that fire, doesn't it.

617
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.920
Definitely, Definitely that's so interesting. Had you felt like you've

618
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.160
obviously you went off and you did the meditation teacher

619
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.400
training and that was a big part of your life

620
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.839
while you were still doing the radio. It sounds like

621
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.559
it was a kind of gradual before that came that

622
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.960
full immersion to what you're doing now, because even just

623
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.160
to be doing an insurance gig, somebody had to hire you.

624
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.400
So had you been talking about it, putting yourself out

625
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.039
there as a teacher, like, how did that go?

626
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.240
I think I'm trying to remember. It's one of those

627
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:45.599
things that just when you look by you think, I

628
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.599
think it just sort of happened.

629
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:46.759
Well.

630
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.200
No, I definitely remember sitting in I Win, my agent's

631
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.759
office and saying saying to them, sitting in a chair

632
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.680
like this, going I don't want to do my big

633
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.279
radio show anymore. I think I want to teach meditation

634
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.640
to people. And I want to try and make it

635
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:10.039
a bit funny. And they were like interesting, They're like,

636
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.599
we've worked so hard to put you where you are

637
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.039
and get you the TV gigs and get you these

638
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.280
a little because I was doing a lot of corporate

639
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.039
work at that time, but it was all sort of

640
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.920
song and dance MC kind of stuff, and so they

641
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.280
were like in fairnism, they were like, Okay, this is

642
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.920
a pivot. Let's see what we can do with this.

643
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.480
And as it turned out, when we started to look

644
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.159
into it, a lot of companies were really looking for,

645
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.440
you know, that kind of content to help their staff

646
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.360
navigate stress and feel engaged with their work and all that,

647
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.800
but they were actually looking for it in a different way,

648
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.280
and so it didn't seem too barmy then, and so

649
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.400
I guess opportunities started to open up. And then I

650
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.280
ended up writing Mindful out of frustration because I couldn't

651
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.880
find a book on meditation that had a sense of humor,

652
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:06.920
you know, or the one that I could relate to

653
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.880
that was written by someone a bit like me, you know,

654
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.960
just kind of regular Joe, you know, dad, whatever. That

655
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.559
a lot of it was very academic, are very maybe

656
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.360
too far down the spiritual scale for me. And so

657
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.039
then when the book connected with people thankfully, I thought, well,

658
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.400
you know, what would be so cool to just do

659
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.280
what I'm doing in companies and with the book and

660
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:38.559
bring that to stages just for everybody, and try and

661
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.599
do this thing that I've dreamed of doing, blending those

662
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.159
two sides. And we blend that stand up comedy and

663
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.800
the meditation part. And so my show looks like my

664
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:53.880
story told through comedy. And actually that's quite really good

665
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.599
therapy because you're picking out all these points in your

666
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:02.320
life that could be you know, traumatic the small team maybe,

667
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.960
and once you kind of you know, put it through

668
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.840
the comedy lens, it diffuses them. It kind of takes

669
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.400
away their power a bit, you know, And I guess

670
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.719
people can relate to the kinds of things I'm talking about.

671
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.719
Then I have a I guess it's like a funny

672
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.159
ted talk with a you know, a slide show and

673
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.440
just explaining what I'm talking about and a bit of

674
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.519
the science behind what I'm talking about that I've enjoyed

675
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.679
discovering over the last decade or so. And then the

676
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.159
last part is I take them through some techniques. So

677
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:40.159
it's this beautiful kind of energetic flow where people are

678
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.360
roaring their heads off laughing one minute and then you

679
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.440
see them sitting in blissful silence the next and it's

680
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.000
I shed it here the first time it happened after

681
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.599
So when I looked an audience, I was like, oh

682
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.280
my god, this is what I've dreamed of. This is

683
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:01.039
this is just probably the most powerful thing I've seen

684
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.559
where you can you can see people at the beginning

685
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.360
of the night that are resistant, you know, because I say,

686
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.639
there's two people that come to my gigs. There there's

687
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.039
the group who are up for it. You know. My

688
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.000
show is are comedy meditation transformation. So there's people that

689
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.800
come to my show who are ready to be transformed,

690
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.519
and then there are people who are dragged there by

691
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:29.400
people who are sick of their shit, and they fall

692
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.920
into each category, you know. So I might see at

693
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.480
the start of the show, you know, someone sitting there like,

694
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.039
what's this? You know, because people come and they don't

695
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:43.199
quite know what to expect, and you think you're not

696
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.599
going to get me with your woo woo fluffy. You know,

697
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.119
I thought you were funny on the radio. But you know,

698
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.599
I do this as a favor to my wife and

699
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.320
then you see them, you know, towards the end of

700
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.519
the show, and you see them open their eyes after

701
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:02.440
trying a technique, and so wow, something's shifted there, you know.

702
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:09.679
And I really think that humor can be an amazing

703
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.360
tool for opening up people's minds, putting them at ease,

704
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.760
you know, because I was really resistant. I still am

705
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.760
resistant to a lot of things in the meditation wellness space.

706
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.199
I think it takes itself really seriously a lot of

707
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.559
the time. It's one of the things that I love

708
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.800
about the stuff that you do. You bring that sense

709
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.719
of humor to it, and you know, like if you

710
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.920
google meditation, you're going to see it's always really beautiful

711
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:40.800
people in you know, three hundred dollars Lulu Lemon yok pants,

712
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.360
sitting somewhere where you will never live.

713
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:44.079
You know.

714
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.199
It's always on top of a mountain that just you know,

715
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.840
for years I thought you couldn't distress at heights below

716
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.760
three thousand feet. Apparently you can, you know, or else

717
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.519
the famous the wooden jetty, you know, the woman at

718
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.639
the end of the jetty perfect, you know, sitting with

719
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:03.079
perfect makeup. And I always that's definitely not Ireland where

720
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.360
I grew up, because if it was that wooden jetty

721
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.360
would be so rotten from constant drizzle that that woman

722
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.519
would have drowned, it would have collapsed, you know. So

723
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.239
you know, part of my mission, if I have one,

724
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.079
is to is to say, okay, that's that's one aspect

725
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.599
of it, and that works for some people. But meditation

726
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.159
or stress management or destressing or finding peace or finding

727
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.639
space or feeling less busy doesn't have to look like that.

728
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.159
You know. It can happen when you're sitting in your car,

729
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.639
or it can be on you know, for me, my

730
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.280
two seater reclining couch from having Norman. You know, if

731
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:48.280
you google meditation, you're not going to see a picture

732
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.960
of my couch. You'll see a lot of mountaintops, you know,

733
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:55.840
and beautiful people. But it really is, you know, wherever

734
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.599
you can find it. And it doesn't have to take

735
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.639
all day, because I think as people are like, I know,

736
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.719
I need something to help me manage stress or to

737
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.840
you know, feel like I have a few more minutes

738
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.519
in the day, but I don't have the time. Yeah,

739
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.159
you know, and I'm sure you hear people say, I

740
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.199
just I just don't have the time, and they're afraid

741
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.840
logically that you're going to hand them something that's going

742
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.159
to be another hour. You know. Yeah, you need to

743
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.760
get up at four am, and you know, you need

744
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.239
to sit in a position where it feels like your

745
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.719
knee cartilage is weeping, okay, and you need to clear

746
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.559
your mind of all thoughts. You know, that's the other

747
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.840
those kinds of things. We've eighty thousand dollars a day.

748
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.800
We're not going to do that. You know, we don't

749
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.480
have to do it. You can start where you're at,

750
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.039
and if all you have in the day is the

751
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:55.760
length of one conscious breath, start there. You know. I'm

752
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.840
in the middle of an interview and I just brought

753
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:02.039
my cortisol levels down there for a second. So that's

754
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.440
kind of where I'm coming from with it.

755
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:04.639
Yeah, and I think you're right.

756
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.840
I think that it's so refreshing what you're doing, because

757
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.079
there is either that very we're all spiritual and we're

758
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.760
in we're going to India or where, you know, wearing

759
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.719
lots of white linen, sitting at an ash room for

760
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.960
a month. On the other side, once there was the

761
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.079
science behind it, this is what I noticed. Once there

762
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.519
was some science there to support it, and people cottoned

763
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.800
on that this was great for stress reduction. Then it

764
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.599
almost became corporatized, like it became commodified, and it was

765
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.800
it was almost to the point of, you know, I

766
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.719
get up at four am and I do my my

767
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:41.639
what do you call those ice plunges, and my journaling

768
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.920
and my five kilometer run and my meditate but all

769
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:52.800
with that striving, achieving, making self care another thing to do,

770
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.679
like another box to tick. And this is where I'm

771
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.159
at now with this. When I'm talking to people, it's like,

772
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.599
can we just take the striving and the achieving out

773
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.079
of the wellness?

774
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.159
Like can we just let ourselves just be?

775
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:07.920
Like?

776
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.559
How about that? How about just like you're enough, just

777
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.599
take a breath? Like how about that be?

778
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.199
Yeah? And you don't have to film yourself meditating either.

779
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:19.960
Interestingly enough, it still works if you don't put it

780
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:20.679
on Instagram.

781
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:25.000
Yeah. How present are you when you're sitting in the

782
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.960
perfect lotus position? Going? Is it recording? Yeah?

783
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:29.400
Right?

784
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.719
Is this my good side? Oh god, my head, the

785
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:32.719
window is blowing my hair.

786
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.639
But you see that both of those approaches, like both

787
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.719
of those angles are going to turn people off, So

788
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.320
coming at it with like with the humor, and with

789
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.079
the realistic like what it actually is and what it

790
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.400
looks like. I think that's a really great way to

791
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.599
get people who might have been turned off by any

792
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.800
of those other messages about meditation.

793
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.000
Plus, I think, you know, if you are a high

794
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:03.760
achiever and you have a tendency to beat yourself up

795
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.480
in your head, it's always very easy to take something

796
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.320
like meditation and then use it as another stick to

797
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.239
beat yourself. Enough, my mind wandered all over the place there.

798
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.320
I can't even meditate properly, you know. And I think

799
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.440
you see that a lot in the corporate space as well,

800
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.800
with words like resilience and things. It's like, you know,

801
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.559
you're just not being resilient enough. You know. You can

802
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.840
imagine I think again in Indiana Jones reference, you know,

803
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.679
in the Temple of Doom, where there's all those kids

804
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.639
working down the mines underground, you know, and if it was,

805
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.599
if it was these days, they'd bring someone like me

806
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.360
or you in there. Go just give them an hour

807
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.639
of mindfulness, right, That's what it is.

808
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.320
Yeah, it's interesting, It is interesting, JOm.

809
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:51.760
And I'm really conscious of the time I could talk

810
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.519
to you all day literally, But where is your Tell

811
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.679
people where they can find out more about your show

812
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:02.719
in Australia, because this will be obviously beaming to my audience,

813
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.039
who are predominantly Australian. They're all still down Under and

814
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:06.920
they'll be very excited to hear the details.

815
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.440
Yeah, well I can. I just I cannot wait to

816
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.159
get back to Australia and to be doing a show there.

817
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.079
It's really as a dream come true. It's been I

818
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.000
guess it's been on my mental vision board for quite

819
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.840
some time. I have a brother who's lived in Sydney

820
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.599
all his life. I've got relations there and lots of

821
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.400
friends as well, so I can't wait to just get

822
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.920
over it. It's November Friday, November twenty eighth in the

823
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:39.039
Pado RSL in Sydney, and yeah, please come along. Tell

824
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.280
you if you're listening and you want to see I

825
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.559
guess something like meditation delivered in a completely different way.

826
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.719
Or if you've got that friend you know that you're

827
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.239
sick of their shit, then drag them along. I'll take

828
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.519
good care of them. And yeah, I'd love people to

829
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.960
come along and enjoy the show.

830
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:01.679
Yeah, well done for for achieving that.

831
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.880
That that fusion of both sides of you, because you're right,

832
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.400
it's the That's the only way to live, really, isn't it.

833
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.119
The more you can bring your whole self to anything

834
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:12.239
that you do and not feel like you're split apart,

835
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:14.199
that's what success is.

836
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.599
Yeah, and you know it's thank you. You're very kind

837
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.920
to say that. But I'm still learning this whole self

838
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.159
employed game, you know, and the you know, I talk

839
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:26.199
about productivity theater in my book Busy and Recked, and

840
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.639
it was something that was alien to me actually until

841
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.440
I stopped working in a full time job for someone else,

842
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.280
and I found it manifested from me as walking around

843
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:43.400
with my laptop bag everywhere. Like I would be out

844
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.079
with the kids my laptop of my shoulder, going for coffee,

845
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.239
Better bring the laptop. And one day I was going

846
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.440
to the movies, I was like, where's my laptop? I

847
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:56.360
was like, what are you doing? Like like I really,

848
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.639
I was basically demonstrating to my inner task master that

849
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:04.119
I'm not slacking off. I'm being productive. I could check

850
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.159
an email at any moment, like what did I think

851
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.800
was going to happen in the cinema? You know that

852
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.800
the productivity police were going to kick open the door

853
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.280
and go. You know, everyone gets your laptops out. This

854
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.199
is a team's call, you know, but I think we

855
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.840
we all. I guess you must have experienced that, you know,

856
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.039
with the many wonderful jobs that you do, that you

857
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.000
know the in our internal boss can be stricter than

858
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.920
any real boss that we've ever had.

859
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:32.599
Yeah.

860
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.679
We leave the corporate job for all the freedom of

861
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:36.880
flexibility so I can work my own hours and end

862
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.920
up working like more hours for less money.

863
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.639
Typically I know, more stress. I never feel like you

864
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:44.320
could turn off.

865
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.199
Yeah, yeah, I was even I start on the way

866
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.400
here that like eighty percent of people who work for

867
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:54.039
themselves at work weekends absolutely you know, and work on

868
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.400
average more of like sixty hours a week, but you're

869
00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:01.880
you're constantly making yourself available. So what's been wonderful is

870
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.480
that I've really had to examine my own behavior and practice.

871
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.800
What I'm trying to share with people through the book

872
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:12.800
and the shows and things is to really protect and

873
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.880
value the space in between. You don't have to stop

874
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.239
doing the things. I don't buy into this. Hey you

875
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.920
should want to be working four hours a week? Really? Okay?

876
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.280
You fine, Okay, but it's not going to work for me,

877
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:32.840
but at least notice and value those spaces between the

878
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.760
things that you have to do, because that's where recovery lives.

879
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:41.199
That's where real resilience starts to grow if when we

880
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:46.400
start to really appreciate and be present in those spaces,

881
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.480
you know, because I think a lot of the time

882
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.280
I call it in the book, I call it blind

883
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.400
seeing because we're there, we're physically there, but we're not

884
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:02.440
actually engage with that. We're not seeing the experience are

885
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.880
the people, you know, And it manifested from me. One day,

886
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.119
I was just sitting at the kitchen table at my

887
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.960
laptop and my wife came in and she was carrying

888
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.119
shopping bags and putting them down on the kitchen counter.

889
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.920
I was tapping away, and it was probably about three

890
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.599
minutes into a conversation, and I realized, you haven't looked

891
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.320
up since she came in. I had a sense that

892
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.719
she came in and literally, this is the woman I

893
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.440
care about most in the world, who has just brought

894
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.880
food and nourishing things into the house for me and

895
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:37.840
our kids, and I hadn't even given her a look,

896
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.199
never mind my full attention. So I remember I closed

897
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.079
down the laptop and I looked up at her, and

898
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:48.800
she looked stunning. I'm sure she probably felt bedraggled and exhausted,

899
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.400
and I thought she just looked so And I got

900
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.360
up and I walked over and I just gave her

901
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.159
a hug, and I could feel in that moment both

902
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:05.239
of us are bodies like just soften. And from that

903
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.599
little moment, I know that the trajectory of both our

904
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.119
days changed, the trajectory of the evening changed of how

905
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:18.239
we interacted with each other and our children and whoever

906
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:22.159
else came into our environment. And that wasn't a big

907
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.960
massive thing. I didn't have to do a training course

908
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.199
or go to an ashram or suddenly blow up my

909
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.599
job or anything else. That was just one moment of

910
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.639
blind seeing that I was open to correcting and just

911
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.280
being present. Now, look, if you ask my wife, am

912
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.079
I like that all the time? Am I just walking

913
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.920
around in some kind of blisted out, you know, romantic

914
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:46.119
vision of presence?

915
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:46.639
No?

916
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.119
But I guess it was one of those moments that

917
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.199
I think we can all relate to, in that there

918
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.519
are gifts in these spaces. Yes, you might be having

919
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.880
a busy day, you might have a lot of things

920
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.239
to do. You might be wor working three jobs because

921
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.800
you have to. I'm not saying take the afternoon off

922
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.880
or work part time or because the world is expensive,

923
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.840
and you know, we have PlayStation Plus and Wi Fi

924
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:18.320
to pay for according to my teenagers, but it's how

925
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:24.239
we are in those little unromantic, like unglamorous spaces in

926
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.199
our life. And if you just start there. So if

927
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.519
you meet your best pal for a conversation, that you

928
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.559
just put the phone into the handbag or the wall

929
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.239
or the pocket or whatever, and that you listen. If

930
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.920
it's your favorite song is playing, listen to the favorite song.

931
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.880
If you've got your dog with you, just be with

932
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:50.840
the dog. You know, I write bench into my diary

933
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:56.039
because I have to ring fence time again. It doesn't

934
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:57.880
sound glamorous, but I go down to where I live,

935
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.880
into the my local harbor, and I just sit on

936
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.719
the bench for twenty minutes and I look at fishing

937
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.239
boats and I drink my coffee and I just try

938
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:12.840
and make those little, as I say, on glamorous moments

939
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:18.039
of space, just give them the importance they deserve, and

940
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:19.599
then your world doesn't seem so busy.

941
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That is a perfect message to finish on. Everybody can

942
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take away that message as they go on with their day.

943
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Thank you so much, Dmitt for your time. This has

944
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been amazing. I would love to have you back on

945
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another time, but thank you for taking the time today.

946
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Thanks Gus, and keep up the amazing work. And I'm

947
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delighted you're enjoying your lifestyle in the UK. Good for you.

948
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.159
That's brave. Yeah, that's brave. Did bravery come up in

949
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.920
your list of strengths when you did your test?

950
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No, I don't think bravery is very high on mine.

951
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:56.639
I get kindness, compassion, humor. I don't even look. I

952
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.360
should go back and have a look at what my

953
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strengths are. Everybody listen.

954
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.719
I'm gonna put the link to the VIA strengths in

955
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.440
the show notes because everybody should take the VIA strengths. Yeah.

956
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.320
It's a great little tip that I picked up from

957
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.880
your podcast and I did it while I was in

958
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the airport and it was fantastic, really insightful. It's because

959
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.440
it just kind of reassures you as well. You're like, oh,

960
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:17.760
I am on the right path.

961
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:18.159
That is me.

962
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:19.719
Yeah, that feels that feels right.

963
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:21.840
The world can be making us feel like we're not

964
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quite on the right path, that we're not moving in

965
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:25.360
the right direction. We should be doing all these other

966
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.599
crazy things. So it's nice to get a bit of

967
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.039
h that is me. Good, well done me.

968
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I was just watching the time because we're out of

969
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here at too and we've got one minute to go.

970
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It's been great.

971
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Thank you, Thanks Avidon cas see you all in Australia.

972
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Yeah.

973
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