June 12, 2023

Is it all in the stars with Debra Silverman

Is it all in the stars with Debra Silverman
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Season 9 Creativity & Self-Expression

Debra Silverman holds a master’s degree in clinical psychology, and has more than four decades of experience as an astrologer and psychotherapist. Over the past 40 years of professional experience and private practice, she has specialised in helping thousands of individuals achieve emotional health and wisdom based on their unique personality and the four elements: water, air earth, and fire
Her knowledge of the stars and planetary interactions has piqued the interest of creatives and leaders, young and old. From actor Shailene Woodley (Big Little Lies) to Sting, Debra has provided relationship advice and healing through her unique methodology. 
Through her online school, more than 4,000 people have studied Silverman’s astrology method to uncover their emotional wisdom and answer the call to help planet Earth. Silverman is also the author of “The Missing Element: Inspiring Compassion for the Human Condition”.
In this conversations, Cass and Debra explore:

  • how and why Debra got into Astrology
  • some of the key elements of Cass' chart that make podcast host a perfect fit
  • the significance of the elements (earth, fire, wind and water) in astrology
  • and the optimism astrology can provide as we move through a climate crisis


If you'd like some insights into your own astrology chart, check this free offer from Debra out. If you'd like to connect with Debra Silverman you'll find her on instagram here. You can grab a copy of her latest book, The Missing Element here. Learn more about Debra Silverman Astrology on her website. 
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Transcript
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A listener production.

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This is Crappita Happy and I am your host, Cas Done.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course author of the Crappita Happy books. In

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this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent

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people who are experts in their field and who have

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something of value to share that will help you feel

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less crappy.

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And more happy.

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Deborah Silverman holds a master's degree in clinical psychology and

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she has more than four decades of experience as an

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astrologer and psychotherapist.

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Over the past forty years.

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Of professional experience and private practice, she has specialized in

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helping thousands of individuals achieve emotional health and wisdom based

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on their unique personality and the four elements of water, air, earth,

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and fire. Her knowledge of the stars and planetary interactions

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has piqued the interest of creatives and leaders young and old.

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From actor Shaline Woodley, you may know her from Big

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Little Lies to Sting, Deborah has provided relationship advice and

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healing through her unique methodology. Through her online school, more

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than four thousand people have studied deb Silverman's astrology method

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to uncover their emotional wisdom and answer the call to

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help planet Earth. Deb is also the author of The

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Missing Element, inspiring compassion for the human condition. I, of

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course am a huge astrology buff. I couldn't wait to

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get an internationally renowned astrologer onto the podcast. So I

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hope you enjoyed this conversation with Deb Deborah Silverman, Welcome

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to the Crappy to Happy podcast.

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Crappy to Happy. I love the needs.

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It's a good one. It's a good one. Deb.

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I was saying to you off air that when I

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saw your bio and saw that you're a psychotherapist to

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who is also an astrologer, and that you combine these

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two things, I was really interested. I myself am a psychologist,

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and I have been fascinated by astrology for the longest time.

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I'd love to know how you first became interested in

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astrology and what led you to pairing these things, psychology

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and astrology.

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It's funny the full moon. Every full moon, I write

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a newsletter, and the newsletter was the story of how

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I found astrology. I was ten years old in the

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Detroit News and I went through the cartoon section as

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only a ten year old could do, saw the word

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astrology lit up like a Christmas tree rode away from

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my chart, and then that started my fascination. Then fast forward,

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I had my first reading when I was eighteen, and

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she completely nailed it. I was a professional dancer all

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through I became very successful as a dancer through my

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high school and through university. I went to university and

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studied it and she named it. Char went you're a dancer.

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I was like what, and then yes. And then the

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next entrance was me having another reading, which I don't

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usually tell this part of the story, when I was

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in Toronto and the guy said, are you going to

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live in Toronto when you grow up? And I was like,

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I don't know, and he said, because you're going to

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be very successful as an astrologer. He was an astrologer

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and he was already feeling the competition. I was like, well,

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I don't know. The truth was yes, I became a

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very successful strateger. So he wasn't like some people tell

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the story of being confused and they don't know what

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they wanted to do with their life. I have a

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feeling you were similar to me that it was just

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so obvious as a therapist, as a healer, so I

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began my fascination with astrology, went to graduate school for

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clinical psychology and insisted to study the charts of the

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chronic mental patients that I was working with. So my

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supervisor was like, you're going to do what? Well, that

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makes no sense, but I insisted and she let me

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do it, and very quickly I saw there was this

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huge correlation between mental illness and a couple of configurations

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and never stopped. So fast forward. Now I'm in my

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late sixties and so that was wow, God, that was

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like fifty five sixty years when. Yeah, so I've been

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doing it for a long time. Yeah, and it's never

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left my interest. Now there's a lot of people listening

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to this who don't have that story. They can't figure

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out what they want to do. And that's why they

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call an astrologer, because when the astrologer's job is to

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discern your skill set. And so if I look at

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your chart, for example, you have a lot of error

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in your chart, and air is the element of communicating.

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You have an excessive amount of air in your chart,

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and that describes someone who loves to ask questions.

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Yes, there you go, ding ding ding.

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So it's your fascination that came naturally in your chart,

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that drives you to your career. The people that don't

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know what they want to be when they grow up,

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or they can't find their calling, that's a great reason

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to call an astrologer.

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I think this is really a really important point to

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make because so many people really still think of astrology

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as those little horoscopes in the paper, and they say, oh,

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that they can apply to everybody. It's just made up,

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and but it's so much more than that is. And

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it is so much deeper and more complex than that

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of course.

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And Carl Jung do you know this. Carl Jung was

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an astrologer. Yeah, people don't know that. And he was

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quoted to say psychology will be a dinosaur science until

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it includes astrology.

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Wow. I'm hearing more and more now.

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I don't know if it's just because it's on my

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right end now, but I'm hearing more and more about

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this combination of psychology and astrology. And I'll be tell

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you what. I'm putting both hands up on the ESA.

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I'm thinking of studying astrology this year.

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Well, we have a school, I know, you do.

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I know it's only twice a year. So the tiny

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would be amazing if you wanted to come, and we

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have a podcast special rate, but you are certainly welcome,

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and we have a lot of therapists that come and

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do it because it complements your practice in a very

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shorthanded way. Someone comes in with a presenting issue, they

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feel very insecure, they can't find their self esteem. I

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look at the chat and I go, well, excuse me.

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Every Taurus suffers from self esteem and let me explain

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it to you. And they go, well, why do I

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feel so much better? So it's that easy. Like you're

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an aquarian, you have sessive appetite for learning. You can't

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stop yet. So when someone comes in and they're confused

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because they have too much air and they're called an airhead,

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and I name it before they even start talking, there's relief.

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Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask you.

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So how can a chat help in therapy or help

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them to better understand themselves? Because even beyond just oh,

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I'm an aquarium so I have a lot of air,

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Like what other things can people learn about themselves from

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an astrology child that is helpful?

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They can learn about what the timing is of their life,

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like oh, my god, I feel like I want to move.

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Oh my god, I feel like I want to get divorced.

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Oh my god, I feel like I want to change

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my relationship with my eating. These things are revealed very

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clearly in the chart when those cycles come and it's

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comforting again. It's not like in the end I say

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to you you're a high level communicator and you go,

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oh my god, and you have insatiable appetite for curiosity

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and you nod your head. It's not a new information system.

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It's just confirmation you're right. That then lets the person go, oh, well,

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I wish my mom would have told me that, because

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I've been struggling with thinking I'm too much of an

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ear had or I think too much, or I'm too

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confused all the time. Those people get relief. There's so

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many categories. There's four elements. So there's people that are depressed.

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For example, those are the water people in the world.

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They have a real sensitivity and they feel depressed or

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sad or emotional or reactive. When someone walks into the

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room before they didn't say anything, they get a feeling,

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and that's confusing if you've never been explained that yes,

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your depression your sensitivity comes with your package. And here's

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the high road and here's the low road. Or people

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like us who are heir who talk all the time.

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Then there's the earth people who are super workaholics. They

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wouldn't be listening to this podcast. They have practicality as

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their primary focus, and they complain because they're working all

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the time, and then we explain to them it's okay.

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And then there's the fire personality who's really loud and

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really excited and really enthusiastic, and they get in trouble

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because they stick their foot in their mouth. That's an

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American saying for uh oh, did you just say that

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out loud? Use your inside voice outside?

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Yeah, we have that in Australia, toy.

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And you need permission to understand. That's not going away.

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That's your personality. And by the way, it's going to

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get bigger and bigger as the years go by. We

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get better or worse depending on how you see it.

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This is what I'm really into, you know, it's people

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having a deepest self understanding so that they can cultivate

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more but that self acceptance and self compassion instead of

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constantly feeling that feeling like that too much of this

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or not enough of that, or trying to fix on

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moldo shape themselves to be something that they're just not

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and never going to be exactly.

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And that is the essence of why Carl Jung said

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psychology doesn't operate with the insights that astrology brings. It

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gives explanations that are so consistent, and every single session

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I do, the person goes, how did you know me so? Well?

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I don't know tell you the truth how the system works,

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I can't answer it, but I can certainly tell you

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it never ever fails.

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I had my chot read in my early thirties, and

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I'd been interested in astrology because I'm an aquarian and

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we always are. But I started reading these really in

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depth monthly horoscopes out of curiosity and a bit of fun.

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But month after month after month, they were just so

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they were generically, you know, they were just based on

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all aquariums, but there was so they just kept like

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ticking the boxes. Everything was accurate every month, and it

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actually really helped me by reading those forecasts every month

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to begin to understand things like different roles of different

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planets and different houses.

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All of that stuff, which is a part of astrology.

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I don't know that we've got the time to go

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into all of that on this episode, but I'm sure

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people would be interested.

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But so that was what.

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Led me to have a reading, like a birth chart

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reading done. And I had a similar experience where this

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woman said to me, I had just started my own

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business and she said to me, oh, your success will

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come much later in life.

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When I was like, how much later?

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I was about thirty at the time, and you know

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I would be speaking to a lot of people.

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She said that was coming. But she also said to

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me she described.

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My home environment as a child and actually said, it

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looks like you might have gone to live with your

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grandmother for a period of time.

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Ah, what how do you know that from my birth chart?

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And that's my question, Deborah, how does an astrologer know

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something like that?

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Looks like you probably went and lived with your grandmother

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for a period of time when you were a child. Yes,

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in fact I.

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Did, because you have Aquarius in the fourth house. Now

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that's an intuitive statement, that's astrology, but that doesn't mean

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that there's not information that comes through where I can Yes,

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So the answer is how do we do that. There's

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a technology and I teach it in very simple baby steps.

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I don't appreciate when things get complicated. Yeah, and they

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start talking about jargon and the language takes you away.

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That's why I have a book called The Missing Element,

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and I simplify it in the book. First you take

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a little test the missing element of water, air, earth,

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and fire. Doesn't matter what sign you are, doesn't matter

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if you believe in astrology. You just and then once

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that book starts to speak to you, you're like, wait

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a minute, how'd that just happen? So there's a way

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to enter this conversation that's basic, Like you are so

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much air and so am I, so we can't stop talking.

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And that's what she pointed at. In the future, you

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will be a communicator that will give people permission to

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be their unique stelf. You were like, well, that's exactly.

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So the answer your question is the chart does describe.

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And then there's really good astrologers that can determine your grandmother.

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That's not usual, right, Okay, so that was a bit

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out of the ordinary. That's not just offerating my nidle planets,

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my nidal chot.

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That's right.

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Good to know.

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Don't want to raise people's expectations when I go off

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from here and have that chart read. Debra, you talked

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to me more about life cycles, and I'm curious to

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understand and for listeners, I guess to get a sense

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of how astrology can help people to navigate decisions that

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they need to make and just difficult periods through life,

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Like how can an understanding of astrology support people.

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That's so funny because you're in one right now. You're

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literally this next two months in a big change.

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Wow, can you feel it? Well, I've just had a

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pretty big change in the last six months. To be honest,

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I'm not sure how much more change.

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Again, Yes, that's what I'm talking about. So whatever's got

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started six months ago now is consolidating and finishing. Yes,

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So there's a good example. There are seven year cycles

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are and this is in level one, the very first class.

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It's the very first group of classes. It's the last class,

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and we talk about timing and yes, astrology does describe cycles.

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So everybody at twenty eight to thirty, there's nobody that

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didn't go through a change. So let's just look at

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your chart. So you were born. We're not going to

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tell everybody what year you were born.

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I think they do. I've talked about it a lot.

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I had my fifty fast bath day.

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So two thousand and one, two thousand and two should

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have been a big turning point. What happened.

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I got married and my husband and I moved into state.

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Just I left my carea, I left my home, I

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left everything kind I.

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Just made my point. So when you see the seven

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year cycles and you name, you're like, you're in one

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right now every seven years you just changed homes again.

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This is universal. But if you know it's coming, like

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it's happening to me right now as I sit here

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my seven year cycles? Just do you think I would

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have prepared for this? But it's just so funny because

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it just hit me over the head today, like, oh,

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there's a big change coming. You think I would have

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prepared it. As an astrologer, I would have seen it coming,

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But it's not like that. It comes no matter whether

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you know it or not, you cannot prepare for those changes.

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They come and they ask you to please do this now,

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and you rearrange things and then you surrender to life

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and you trust. And that's exactly the moment I'm in

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as we sit and so are you.

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I think that is something that is probably and helpful

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to me over the years too. Is that understanding that

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this is a period of time, and I think we

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all know that anyway, I don't know for me personally,

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having that sense that there's.

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Something going on in the planets at the moment and.

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That this will pass, so that you don't feel so

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beaten down by tough times, difficult times. You can have

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a sense that there's something coming on the other side of.

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It, exactly right. There's a lot of the Stralgers out

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there in the world who talk jargon in our school,

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in my system, and I have certified astrologers that I've

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trained who are on my website. I promise, I like,

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I say to them, you've got to make a deal

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with me that you won't talk jargon and you'll speak

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English to the person. You won't be seeing the suns

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and the seventh house oppos and C in the seventh

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in the first house, and you've got it in conjunct.

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But don't say that, I teach them, don't do. It's

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like going to a doctor's appointment and they start saying

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you've got some kind of spinner corner, tiny titus and

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you're like, am I get a load of well in astrology,

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I speak English, and I make it the cycles very obvious,

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and here's that you're that you're going through, and here's

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the lesson you're supposed to be learning. It's such a comfort.

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I think that's important too, because for a beginner, for

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somebody who isn't familiar with all of.

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That language, then that would be very off putting and

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very overwhelming.

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Exactly, and you leave feeling worse and when you.

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Came in yeah, yeah, and then it just I think

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it reinforces the idea that this is all just mumbo

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jumbo and it doesn't make any sense. It's all just

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like this new age you know, rubbish. Yes, when you

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put it in practical, real life terms about how this

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applies to you and your life.

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Yes, just getting a message.

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You know you have Lee.

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I don't know if you know this. You have lib rising?

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Did you know that? Can I tell you a story

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about that? Anybody interested in astrology? Will this is astrology

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speak here. I spent most of my life believing I

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was Virgo rising because there's no daylight savings in where

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I live. But those charts online automatically adjust for daylight

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savings because of the time of year that I was born.

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And it was very recently a good friend of mine

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who actually is a copywriter, and she retrained as an

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astrologer and she did my chart for me and said,

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you're liberalising and I said, no Virgo and she said,

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okas there's no daylight savings. And I said, well, now

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I'm having an identity classis because I've always told people

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I'm an Aquarius with a Virgo rising and a Virgo moon,

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and I've got all this burger.

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I don't know what to do with Libra. Maybe you

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can help me, Debraah, what does that mean?

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The best interviewers you look like Libra. They're so sweet,

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they're so kind, they love relationship, they are really witty.

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It's not Virgal. You're definitely librerising, just me as the

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professional looking at you. You classical. They love colors, they

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love shine, they love Virgo is much more dull, not

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in a bad way, but they're an Earth sign, so

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everything's more dull. Moll you and you have colors. They

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can tell, don't you love color?

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Yes?

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Yes, that's Weday and the rising sign is the soul

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as distinct from the ego. People don't ever understand why

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did they call it? They gave it two names, not one.

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It's called the ascendant and it's called the rising sign.

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Why because we're supposed to be moving into it. So

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it's very important to know your rising sign and to

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rise into it for you means to really be interested

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in people. So librising is like nosy, I have it too,

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nosy fascination, wanting to ask a million questions, really being

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interested in other people and how they get along. Psychology,

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that's not Virgo. Virgo's the hermit. Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, So

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the rising sign is the soul, the sun sign is

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your ego, and the moon is your emotional body. And

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so do not let go of your liver rising. It's

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going to give you the greatest pleasure. It's a fun one.

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I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, I was never happy

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with that vig. I think I thought, oh no, no,

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I don't think that's me. They aren't that a little

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bit kind of uptid.

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And I have a really good friend.

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I have a really good friend who thought she was

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Virgo rising, and she'sed to always say my Virgo's broken.

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And she found out her real birth time and she

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was Libra and so she was so relieved.

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So it can be off.

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So for people listening who don't know that actual birth

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time like that, because that's one hour difference.

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For me, that makes that that much of a difference.

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That's right, one hour. It changes every two and a

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half hours, but depending what time you were born, So yes,

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that made a big difference.

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Yeah, so I guess just for people listening who are thinking,

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this is not making any sense to me, everybody sort

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of knows that what they call their star sign, which

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is really the sun sign, where was.

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The sign at the moment of your birth, what constellation

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was it in, Where was the mod at the moment

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of your birth? What was the constellation on the horizon

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and the eastern horizon at your moment of birth? And

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that's how we established those three pillars.

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And what do those like you just said before, one's

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your ego, one's what you're moving into us. Just wondering

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if you could just explain that a little more for

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people listening, like, what is the relevance of understanding this

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is my sun's sign, this is my rising sun, this

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is my moon sign.

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If it's your sun's sign, we can't live without the sun.

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Let's start there. So right now I'm sitting, I'm feeling

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the heat of the sun, and I am so in

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love with the sun. It is the essence of your

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life force. It is what motivates this whole planet to

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aim up at the sun. It is the single most

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influential character in this entire dream we're in. Is the

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sun up, is the sundown? Is it warm as a cold?

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Are we going to have a week end or a weekday?

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It tells us everything. So that's the personality. Then the

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moon's in the night time. We're sleeping, our eyes are closed,

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we're in the dream state. We can't remember our dreams.

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We don't even know what we're doing when we're sleeping.

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I think it's so funny that we spend eight hours

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of day lying like just lying there. But that is

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the moon energy. The moon is the internal, unconscious, nonverbal, instinctual,

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unconscious part of us. So when you become aware of

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where your moon is, it describes your emotional inner world

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the dark. And then the rising sign based on the

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moment of your birth, is a very specific indicator of

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what you're rising and and now don't ask me how

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it works or why it works, but I can just

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tell you those three things. When you understand their partnership

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of how they get along or don't, we'll explain your

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character to you.

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I hope that you're enjoying this conversation and realizing the

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benefits of positivity in your own life. If you are

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And leave us a rating and review.

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Before Debra, you touched on the elements, the four elements earth, wind, water, fire.

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Right, that's the four of them? Is that right? What

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are they?

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Earth?

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Air, earth? Why are you laughing? It just wind?

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I've never anybody say that, but there was so aquarian earth, wind, error,

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and fire. First of all, you're so funny. It goes

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in this order. That was so aqueering, and please don't

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take that out of this interview because that was the

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cutest thing ever. So it goes in this order. And

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by the way, you have no water in your chart,

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so no wonder you left it out. So let me describe. Wow,

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So the four elements in the natural rhythm always starts

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with water. Why we spend nine months in water. The

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entire part of creation begins through an unconscious doorway where

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you are being imprinted by the DNA that was set

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in place by your karma, your mom, your dad, your

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body type, what you're going to look like. All of

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that's invisible. It's a mystery. It's water. It's in the dark.

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We can't figure it out. Now you take your first

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breath of air. And now you come into the next

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eighteen years of your life studying. What's my name? How

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do I spell? What school do I go to? How

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do I get places to? That's all? Tell me how

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this planet works, said the little air sign. That's you

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and me. We always ask questions, a little kid in

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the classroom raising their hand. Then from let's say twenty five,

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after you finish university, from twenty five to fifty five,

460
00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.160
you work. That's the earth cycle. What am I going

461
00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:05.799
to do for this life? How do I make money?

462
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.960
Am I going to have children? Will I get married?

463
00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.440
The whole era, that's why they call this planet earth.

464
00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.799
It should be called water. It's blue. But we vailue

465
00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:16.319
Earth so much here, So that's the next and then

466
00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:19.039
the very end of the life is fire. Where you go, oh,

467
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.319
and I'm headed net direction towards seventy. Then it's like, oh,

468
00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.599
now I can have some fun. That's a fire cycle.

469
00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:27.920
So if you think about waking up in the morning,

470
00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:30.880
the first thing you do is you go to the bathroom,

471
00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.000
brush your teeth, wash your face, you have a coffee,

472
00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:35.680
cup of tea. It's water. Then the next part of

473
00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:37.640
your day you're like, where's my list? Who do I

474
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.319
need to get in this crazy thing with? How do

475
00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.680
I communicate? What's the podcast I'm gonna listen to today?

476
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:43.960
Then you get to the Earth, I can go up, Oh,

477
00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:46.440
what was my work? Where's my list of things to

478
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.400
check off? What's for dinner tonight? Where are the kids?

479
00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:51.359
How do I get to them? And then the very

480
00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.680
end of the day is let's have some fire water,

481
00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.240
put the fire on, sit around the table, tell stories,

482
00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.440
let's fire it up. Maybe we'll make love tonight. So

483
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.799
water is the entry of everything. It's the quiet internal

484
00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:06.839
dark side of the human psyche. Air is the da

485
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.599
da da da da da. What we're doing? Talk talk

486
00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.519
talk talk talk. Then Earth is let's get some shit done. Okay,

487
00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:14.680
why are we here? We gotta make money. We got

488
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:17.519
to ground this thing and then fire is uh, oh,

489
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.559
this has just gone wrong. I'm firing it. I want

490
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:22.920
to start the day all over. I want to turn

491
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.839
the music up. I want to have a drink.

492
00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.720
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, it's fat. I've never thought about it

493
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:31.119
like that. Obviously, that that makes perfect sense.

494
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:35.400
It's so old, it's ancient. It's the unbelievable esoterical low.

495
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.559
It's in my book, the four Element. It's called the

496
00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.680
Missing Element my book. But it is all about figuring

497
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.799
out in the Tourou deck, the Magician card. The first

498
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.039
card of the Turow deck is the fool, like are

499
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:47.480
you crazy for coming here?

500
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:47.720
Like?

501
00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.000
What were you thinking? So that's the zero card, and

502
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.119
the very first card is the Magician and he has

503
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.240
sitting on his table four elements. Water error is five.

504
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.240
If you look at the the Turo deck, and this

505
00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:00.119
is the story of evolution according to the Beautiful to

506
00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.319
Rod deck. I love it. So there's the four elements

507
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:04.519
at the very entrance of coming on to planet Earth.

508
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.480
The question is have I mastered water, Air, Earth, and fire.

509
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.359
M I read tarant carts as well. This little hobby

510
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.279
on the side. Yeah, so I see all of those

511
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:20.160
overlaps with the four elements. I'm curious, Deborah, beyond you

512
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.799
know how it all, interested in how this relates to

513
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.759
me and my personality and my compatibility and my life.

514
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:31.279
You have talked about the issue of the state of

515
00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:37.519
the planet and the climate crisis, and how understanding astrology

516
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.599
can give us hope in a time that feels pretty desperate.

517
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.359
Can you talk about that.

518
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.480
I had a friend for the last month, a PhD

519
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.759
in geology, staying with me, and she gave me all

520
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:54.000
the information. One who knew this. There's been seventeen ice

521
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.640
ages before. Why don't we know that? So we go

522
00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.359
in cycles. Everything goes in cycles, up and do up

523
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.480
and down, up and down. We are warming up, we

524
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.039
are getting ready to change the species. We're getting ready

525
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.839
to change everything. The whole human condition as we know

526
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.759
it cannot survive what we're doing as consumers now. Is

527
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.240
it anyone's fault? No, Can you do anything about it?

528
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.960
Of course you can look at your own lifestyle and see,

529
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.079
like I don't get in a car. I bike ride everywhere.

530
00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.920
So I made a commitment that I was going to

531
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.640
reduce the caraban. But most people can't figure out what

532
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.240
they can do, and so they put it away because

533
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.240
it's too hard to tolerate the thought. I believe that

534
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.480
when you face the music and stand face to face

535
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.319
with what is, wisdom arrives what is wisdom? One half

536
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:42.640
of it is really smart researcher collecting information, you and

537
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.759
me researching, And the other side of wisdom is dumb

538
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.920
whiz dumb. I don't know. I can't figure this place out,

539
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:55.720
and the wise person knows to say. Something's changing. Everything evolves,

540
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.200
nothing stays the same. Why would we be surprised if

541
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.039
there's been seven teen ice ages that we're warming up now? Naturally?

542
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.759
Did eight billion people contribute to it? Yes? Do we

543
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.599
have an off button?

544
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:08.000
No?

545
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.680
Are we going to be face to face with change?

546
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:11.240
Yes?

547
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.000
Do we like it?

548
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:12.240
No?

549
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:16.920
So the human diflemma is that the human psyche, our

550
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:22.160
operating system, doesn't like what is happening now, but unfortunately

551
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:23.759
we have a hard time talking about it.

552
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.079
Yeah, I'm not feeling any more optimistic. Brother, there's not's

553
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.119
not it. You shouldn't be. You shouldn't be.

554
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.519
The question is how do ideal as a wisdom keeper,

555
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:35.400
and that's what you are, how do I deal with

556
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.200
being face to face with what is? That's the question

557
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.640
who are the people that can stay steady and calm

558
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:47.559
and trust and have faith and continue moving with the

559
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.359
right action and being respectful while we know we're about

560
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.079
to walk into a radical departure from our old reality.

561
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.839
It's I can't lie. I'm an astrologer. My job is

562
00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:59.839
to look into the future. But what I can say

563
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:04.279
is is I help people emotional wisdom. I help them

564
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.400
get to the place where they're like, meditate, be calm,

565
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.279
have prayers, have faith. These are the only things we

566
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.359
can do right now. I mean, you can figure out

567
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.279
if you want to be vegan or if you want

568
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:19.039
to start doing regenitive. There's a million things you can do.

569
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.000
But the real truth is we are going into a change.

570
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:27.640
Uh oh, yes, yes, yes, well yeah, I was hoping

571
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.920
you're going to give me some profound, optimistic viewpoint that

572
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.200
I was going to say no, and we'll come through

573
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:36.599
and then it'll it'll be glorious and we'll change our

574
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.319
ways and we'll rethink the way we relate to the earth.

575
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.440
I think that's what's going to happen, is it.

576
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.839
But that's I would love for that, of course, but

577
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.640
not until we go. It's just like saying when someone's

578
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.279
been diagnosed in they're in hospice. How do you make

579
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.880
that positive? Well, you say to them, if you study death,

580
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.480
you'll find out it's a beautiful transition. And by the way,

581
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.279
everyone that loves using the room. And this is an

582
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.279
exercise seeing if you can be wise in a moment

583
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.319
of life where everyone shies away and doesn't want to

584
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.000
talk about it. So there is a beautiful ending to

585
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.359
the story. We are definitely going to make a change

586
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.200
in the human nature. We cannot continue consuming the way

587
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:13.440
we do.

588
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:14.200
We can so.

589
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.920
Something God, life, spirit, angels, they're not not here, they're watching.

590
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:26.079
That's optimistic. I feel very hopeful about the miracles that

591
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:27.599
we can't see that are coming.

592
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.880
Yeah, that's a nice thought.

593
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.799
You. I mean, you make a really good point though,

594
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:39.000
just beyond astrology, just our human condition and our unwillingness

595
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:45.200
to stay present and to come face to face with

596
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.720
the reality. We would so much rather avoid it, put

597
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.039
it under the carpet, pretend it's not happening, distract ourselves

598
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:54.519
with something else.

599
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.519
It's a hard thing to do in life.

600
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.599
And it's so beautiful that you get your talking about it.

601
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.200
Because the hardest thing that I see on our planet

602
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.240
is and this is a gift of podt Why do

603
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:09.720
people love podcasts? One? We want to learn what do

604
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.799
I need to understand? Help me stimulate my mind with

605
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.960
the stars and focus so I have a larger point

606
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:20.799
of view that celebrates there's a design. Einstein said it,

607
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.279
so well, God's not playing with dice. This is not

608
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.839
a random occurrence. But the human dimension, the human condition

609
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.640
is a little funny, would you say to put it

610
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.839
lightly psychologist of the psychotherapist, we're a little strange.

611
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.079
Yes, Indeed, you've written a book, The Missing Element. You

612
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.160
have an astrology coast fatigious.

613
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:45.559
Tell me more about that.

614
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.400
You would love it. It's only it's only six weeks long.

615
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.839
It's actually I don't know when this will err, but

616
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.680
it starts in a couple of days and it is

617
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.119
a six week long class. It's fite sized bits. You're

618
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.400
in a room with just and people and you're studying

619
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.160
your own chart. You're not studying theory. You're studying your

620
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.920
own personal chart so you can figure out how to

621
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.359
be yourself. Now you probably already know it. But back

622
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.319
to the original conversation, Permission, permission to be yourself and

623
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:20.640
comfort and expanding the timing and knowing how to prepare

624
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.960
and being really honest with yourself.

625
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.319
Yeah, that's interesting. And so you have a certification course

626
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.000
to different do you have you found that there has

627
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:31.880
been more I'm just curious about this. Has there been

628
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.200
an increased interest.

629
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.960
Strategy is going increasing Instagram? There's a million astrologers.

630
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.160
Yeah, well maybe that's what I said.

631
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.079
Maybe I'm just noticing it more because I've been interested

632
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.039
in astrology for a very long time. So I don't

633
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.359
know that, but I am definitely noticing this overlap between

634
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:50.920
psychology and astrology.

635
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.680
Well you you and Carol Jung and it.

636
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.319
Makes perfect sense, makes perfect sense to me.

637
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.960
Yeah, well, it's just they're best friends. What is describing

638
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.559
the nature of the high road of the human cond condition?

639
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.799
That would be astrology and psychology is the nature of

640
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.359
the low road of humans. What's wrong with you? Is

641
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.240
all the psychologist asks, But the astrologery doesn't ask that.

642
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:15.359
They say what's right with you?

643
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:17.200
See That's what I love about it.

644
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:22.000
Anything that says what's right about you and stops focusing

645
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.440
on we need to fix ourselves and change ourselves and

646
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.240
be different. And you know, my favorite quote is be

647
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.319
where the subtle aggression of self improvement.

648
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:30.960
It's not my quote.

649
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.200
I heard it from from We see it again, be

650
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.319
where the subtle aggression of self improvement self improvement being

651
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.039
an aggression against the self, an attack on the self

652
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.599
because something is wrong with me. So I'm so interested

653
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.240
in self improvement because I fundamentally believe that I need

654
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:50.720
to be better or different before I can I see enough.

655
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.200
Yes, well, you're singing my songs. Permission to be yourself.

656
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.480
Everyone else is taken, And why don't we just relax

657
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:02.720
into an acceptance that everybody's weird exactly, everybody's everybody's quirky,

658
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.200
everybody has personality traits. They just can't stand about their husband,

659
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.400
or about their kid, or about their mother. And then

660
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.880
once you study, you go, oh my god, no, wonder

661
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:13.119
he does it all the time.

662
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.279
That's a really interesting point that we haven't talked about.

663
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.160
When I was reading you know your bio and preparing

664
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.640
for this interview, I was thinking, you know what, I

665
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.079
need to get my daughter's chot done. I need to

666
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.359
and I need to get my husband's chot done. Yes,

667
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:29.559
it's the most important thing you could do.

668
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.000
And we have certified astrologers that what I do is

669
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.400
what I call the matchmaking people write in, they send

670
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.200
me the chart, and then I matchmake them with the

671
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.640
perfect astrologer because there's different personality types. But the most

672
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.680
important thing you could do is know your kids. Oh

673
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.319
my goodness, if every parent let their kid be who

674
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:46.759
they were.

675
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.799
Mmmm. Can you imagine My daughter is just at the

676
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.160
stage of finishing a high school, you know, and so

677
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.759
it's just that point of like, oh and we've just

678
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.680
moved overseas, so she's you know, away from all of

679
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:01.039
her friends.

680
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.799
But it's just like what is she going to do

681
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.000
with the life and where is she?

682
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:04.279
You know?

683
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.920
So I think there's she would love it. Teenagers, we

684
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.039
have them in our school. That's so important that they'd

685
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.200
be allowed to answer those really deep questions who am I?

686
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.400
And that, like you said before, that understanding of cycles

687
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.319
and this idea that this is a point in time

688
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.839
and that this isn't I don't need to have all

689
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.480
of the answers and the decisions and the I don't

690
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.920
need to know everything right now. But there is a

691
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.599
bigger picture, There is a grand plan almost of course.

692
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:38.119
Yes, yes, it's completely true that the angels and the

693
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.680
spirits and the influencers from the cosmos, and your invisible

694
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.680
friends and your ancestors. They're watching us. I always imagine

695
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:46.279
they're in the room.

696
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.200
Yeah that's a bit creepy.

697
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.039
No, no, but it's really true. They're watching you.

698
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think

699
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.359
so too in a non creepy way. So this whole

700
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idea that there is a grand plan according to astrology

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and the chat and the fact that we can see

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00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:07.359
what stage you're at and where we're likely to be,

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and what's likely to be going on, and how much

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of life is predetermined, there's.

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Way less free will than you think. You chart your personality,

706
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.800
the instincts, how you respond is absolutely controlled by your chart,

707
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.400
the choice factor, the free will button, the awareness your observer,

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which is what my book is all about. Once your

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00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.679
awareness is on, you can change anything just like that.

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So the free will button is not to be underestimated. However,

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like your first husband, like the first kid, like the

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dog you got, like your parents, all those things are

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written in the stars. The question is are we going

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to stick in situations that aren't healthy? Are we going

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to take care of our bodies? Are we going to

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take care of us set our kids free and not

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hand them our burdens. Those are all free will choices.

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And I guess I think too that I find comforting

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and I guess important and beneficial is for me being

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self employed. I'm just thinking of day to day life

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like being self employed and always feeling like I need

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to be busy or doing something and being able.

723
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To go with whatever the energy is supportive of. Does

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that make sense?

725
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:20.960
So if this might not be a time for me

726
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to be out there and busy and pitching my books

727
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.079
or pitching my podcast, maybe this is a time that

728
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.639
I actually need to be retreating and being creative.

729
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.280
Well, guess what, the last two years, this has been

730
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.519
an invitation for you to be at home. It's a

731
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more introverted cycle. It will change in about nine months,

732
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.360
so make a note that nine months yet, nine months

733
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from now, you will be in a much more external role.

734
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But you've been asked, and this is astrology want on

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one to go in to take care of your body,

736
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.440
to do self care. How have you been doing that?

737
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:54.719
I've been.

738
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I did yoga, teacher training, I gave up drinking point

739
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good job.

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00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.519
So those are the cycles that astrology describes inside outside.

741
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.079
When are we going to start, When are we going

742
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.679
to finish? When do things begin? All those things are

743
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:11.719
right there in the start.

744
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.360
Yeah, So having an understanding of that, I think can

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help us to stop pushing against what is just not working.

746
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:19.880
I think that's what I would like listeners to take

747
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.119
away that there's some real value in that in being

748
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.320
able to when you have an understanding of what the

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00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.480
planets are doing, and what the energy is doing, and

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00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.599
what the season that you're in, and you can go

751
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.440
with that, then you're much more likely to get done

752
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.280
what needs to get done and keep your health and

753
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:39.599
your energy and sanity.

754
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And so this is really important. There are eras, there

755
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.039
are cycles, There is timing. It's described by astrology. When

756
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.800
you follow the cosmic influence every day on Instagram, I

757
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.480
have a video that comes out and it tells you

758
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.440
where the moon is free and Debra Silverman astrology and

759
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.559
you start to watch the rhythms of the moon and

760
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.079
you'll be amazed, like today it's in Virgo, by the way,

761
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.320
like it was when you were born. They love analyzing,

762
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.320
so all day to day I've been doing numbers. You

763
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.280
start to follow your rhythm according to the sky, and

764
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.559
there's a real harmony that happens.

765
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.159
I am aware that you are in a busy period

766
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:19.719
at the moment, Devin, you have got to go, but

767
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.320
this is fascinating to me. I really appreciate you making

768
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.960
the time, especially during such a busy time you are

769
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.360
launching your certification course at the moment, I will make

770
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sure that we have all of the details and all

771
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.239
of the links and your book as well.

772
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.440
Thank you so much for coming on and share you.

773
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It's been my pleasure. You've made it so easy, and

774
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.079
that's because we're both live rising and so there's that

775
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:45.119
good exact thing and fun and late and asking deep questions.

776
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:45.960
That was wonderful.

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You can find out more about Deborah and her online

778
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.880
astrology program at Deborah Silverman Astrology dot com. Her instagram

779
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.639
is Deborah Silverman Underscore Astrology. I'll obviously put those links

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00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.400
in the show notes. Please come and connect with me.

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00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.599
I'm cast Done Underscore XO on Instagram and TikTok. My

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00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.920
website is cast done dot com. That is where you

783
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.800
can find out more about what I'm doing all the

784
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.599
programs that I'm offering. Jump onto my mailing list and

785
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:19.519
I can't wait to catch you on the next episode

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of Crappy to Happy