Nov. 28, 2022

Standing up for your beliefs with Dami Im

Standing up for your beliefs with Dami Im
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Season 8 Mindset Self-Confidence

In this episode, Cass is joined by Dami Im, who captured all of our hearts when she won The X-Factor Australia in 2013. Dami began her singing career playing to grandmas in Korean churches before her life was forever changed when she entered a singing competition on television with no expectation of winning. Since then, she's released a string of hit albums and singles, and she became Eurovision royalty on 2016, when she earned the highest score ever achieved by an Australian entry with her smash hit 'Sound of Silence.' Behind the scenes, Dami's creative was being stifled by the very people that were supposed to be helping her. Her story is one of sacrifice, determination and faith.Connect with Dami:https://www.damiim.com/
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Transcript
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A listener production. This is Crappita Happy and I am

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your host, Cas Doun. I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist

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and mindfulness meditation teacher and of course author of the

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Crappita Happy books. In this show, I bring you conversations

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with interesting, inspiring, intelligent people who are experts in their

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field and who have something of value to share that

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will help you feel less crappy and more happy. Dami

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im captured all of our hearts when she won the

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X Factor Australia in twenty thirteen. This shy Korean born

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Australian first trained as a pianist and began her singing

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career playing to grandma's in Korean churches before her life

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was forever changed when she entered a singing competition on

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the TV with no expectation of winning. Since then, Darmi

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has released a string of hit albums and singles, and

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she became Eurovision Royalty in twenty sixteen when she earned

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the highest score ever achieved by an Australian entry with

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her smash hit Sound of Silence. Behind the scenes, though,

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Dami's creativity and her career were being stifled by the

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very people who were supposed to be helping her. Being

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young and naive to how the music industry worked, Darmi

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now realizes that she was being lied to, manipulated, and exploited.

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Dami's story of fighting back to take control of her

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career and to make the music she always wanted to

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make is one of sacrifice, determination and faith. Here is

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Dami to share her story. Darmi, im welcome to the

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Crappy a Happy Podcast.

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Thank you so, Darmi.

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I watched your season of The X Factor. I can't

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say that I was a committed member of the Dami army,

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but I certainly loved watching you perform. And then there

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was this sort of period where we didn't see hear

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much of you after the X Factor. So it was

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fascinating to me to read your account of what happened

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in those years following your appearance on The X Factor. So,

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because obviously you won, the winner of The X Factor

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two thousand and thirteen is dummy. You were sensational, thank you,

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which is everybody's dream to bland the recording contract, but

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it obviously didn't really go as well as you had planned.

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Can you share like what that was like? I guess

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being a part of the X Factor, but then also

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in the immediate aftermath of winning the show.

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Yeah, so I went into the show very young and naive.

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I've been a musician my whole life. I was pursued

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a career in singing. I was getting nowhere, and X

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Factor was kind of my last resort to try and

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get some exposure as a musician. As a singer, and

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being on that show just I learned so much, you know,

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about staging, costumes and everything.

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It was a wild experience.

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Being on television was a whole new game speaking to

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media and yeah, it was a lot of things to learn.

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And also for me coming from this very like sheltered

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community Korean Christian culture was like my that was my

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world where I sort of hid inside because that was

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my little place where I knew and understood. But outside

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of that, I was I didn't have that many, you know, contacts,

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and you know, I didn't have a proper job as such,

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like when you're a musician, come on like you don't. Yeah,

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you're like a freelancer. But yeah, I was getting nowhere.

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That's why I went on the show.

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But you'd never heard of the show, right either, So

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I found fascinating.

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I think, I mean, I must have, because remember that's

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also like mainstream tell Vision, which I wasn't that into,

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Like I was in my little Korean bubble, even though

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I grew up in Australia. So yeah, I had to

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google like the voice, you know, I'm going to do

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the voice, and then that was closed. So then X

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Factor was like, oh, what's that. Oh that's a singing

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show as well. All right, let's go for that. And

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so that's how I got into that show. By the

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time I won, it.

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Was completely unexpected.

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I hadn't planned to win and to get a recording contract,

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so that was a wild rollercoaster ride.

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And then you won, which you hadn't prepared for. In

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your book, you said you partly weren't even sure that

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you wanted to win, right because you weren't really sure,

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you were so introverted and shy.

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Yeah, so I remember, you know, it started from the

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live shows, the top twelve, and then each week one

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person got eliminated, so we were up to three people

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and that was a final, and I knew I had

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a good chance of winning by that point, and I

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was going, this is terrifying, What does this even mean?

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For me, like will my life change completely? And you know,

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like I had a pretty good life. You know, I

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was nearly married, I liked my family in Brisbane. I

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had you know, a small group of friends at church

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that were lovely, like nothing wrong with that.

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So I was like, will this just change everything?

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And I was just so terrified of the unknown, and

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because I was extremely religious.

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I still am, but back.

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Then it was more like, oh my gosh, Like I

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was really young as well, So I'm going, is this

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even God's plan? Like will this make other people happy?

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Or will I upset people by winning?

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Wow? And will people.

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Become more you know, jealous if I win, then other

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people don't win and people compare themselves to me. So

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I was just like overthinking and it was very confusing.

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Yes, I was like it, but you did win. And

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then the very next day, everybody goes on parties at

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the end of the finale, and then you have to

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get up and front live TV and you did eighty

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eight zero interviews the next day.

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Yeah, seriously talking about the same thing eighty times.

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But more to the point, then you were on this

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kind of juggernaut. So basically, can you share like what

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happens after that for the winner, because you go straight

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into it, they're obviously banking on the success of the show.

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So you're recording, you're you know, traveling performing. What was

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that like?

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Yeah, So basically the winner gets a recording contract with

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Sony and also a management contract. It's like an arranged marriage.

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You don't really get a choice. It's like, that's what happens.

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The management was owned by Sony, which is a big

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conflict of interest.

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But back then I had no idea how it all worked.

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So that happens, and then I really had no idea

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what was going to happen, Like what do I do?

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Now I'm a pop star, but like what does that

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even mean?

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So then I have to record this album to release

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in two weeks, which is super super quick. Now when

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I make albums, it's months and months and months.

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We had this big X Factor tour where the top

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six of us did a whole tour of Australia in arenas,

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which yeah, because my year was so popular, a lot

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of people watched it. So we were performing, traveling, and

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then I had to do in stores to sell this album,

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so you know, signing it shopping centers and also attend

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Sony events, Aria Awards, and then all these other you know,

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corporates and different events happening at the same time, and

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magazine shoots. Yeah, all of these things just fanbom member

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and I'm just flying from one state to the next,

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going when does this end?

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When do I get to go home? And yeah, I

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was so unhappy.

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Yeah, So the question like, will this changed my whole life?

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The answer was absolutely yes, it absolutely did.

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Yeah, it did. It did.

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It did, and not in a good way necessarily.

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Yeah.

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At that time, I was just so lost. And my

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personality is I take time to get used to things.

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I need time, Like I don't like spontaneous events happening

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to me, Like it took me twelve years to get

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used to my school, and then in year twelve I

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started to enjoy it, you know, because.

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I was used to it. But then yeah, I know,

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but then this is just like bam, You're into it,

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and I'm like, oh, I'm scared, and I've got to

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meet all these people, and yeah it was. Yeah, it

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was a lot.

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And what you described in the book, you got no notice.

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And I think the important thing to note is that

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they were supposed to give you notice. About what you

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were doing and where you're expected to be, and they

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were telling you on the day.

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Yeah, I really wanted to know, like what I'm doing

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tomorrow when I'm going to go home, Like you know,

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if you can plan what you're going to do, even

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if you have a crazy schedule, you can sort of cope, right.

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But yeah, they.

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Didn't tell me.

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And I don't necessarily think they were doing that on purpose.

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They would just be as well, and they.

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Didn't have the resources or the attention to like care

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for this new person they were managing like so many artists,

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which now I realize is very ineffective, Like no one

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does that well, and so they just wanted heaps of

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people on their book and you never really get the

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attention that you need.

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And I had to ask.

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Like, hey, I was just wondering, like can I find

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out like what I'm doing in advance? And they're like,

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oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like we can probably send you

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a calendar.

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I'm like, oh, why didn't you do that, you know,

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first week?

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Yeah, not like after like a month of just going, ah,

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what am I doing?

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Yeah, I'm just thinking about what that must have been, Like,

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I mean, like you said you were newly married, your

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husband's at home, your parents. That must have taken a

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real toll, like on you emotionally, physically, everything.

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Luckily though, my husband, he was able to take time

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off work for a really long time and he traveled

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with me to a lot of events, which was really helpful.

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But then that was good, and also I became super

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reliant on him as well.

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Like I don't know, it just became a.

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Little bit strange because then he was becoming famous as well,

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and wasn't necessarily a good thing that people were.

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Like, oh the couple. Like after a while, I'm like.

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I need to forge my career rather than kind of

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asking him for permission, and like I just relied on

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his opinion about everything because I was just so scared

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and young. I guess I had to grow up at

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the same time as all this was happening. Because I

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was in my twenties, I was so naive and I

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just had to figure things out.

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Yeah, I can imagine, And it must have just been

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hard to know. Really, I can imagine you doing that

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because you wouldn't have known who had your best interests

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at heart. Because it doesn't sound like your management company

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necessarily or the label had your best interest at heart,

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as it turned out.

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Yeah, and I didn't realize that till much later, because

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at the time I was just like, go with the floor,

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I guess.

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Not rock the boat. That came through very strongly actually

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that you were very much not wanting to be demanding,

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being very grateful for the opportunity and very humble, very

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hard working. But people were taking advantage right exactly.

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And because I had so much success when I was

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performing before this, like nobody cared and I was being

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paid very little money, whereas now you know, I was

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getting much better money, like compared to what I was

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making before, was huge in comparison.

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So then I'm like, oh, I shouldn't complain. I'll just

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do as I'm told because this money is good.

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And if I perform for a corporate like, I'll ask

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everything they'd tell me.

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To do, because yeah, like it's good money. But now

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I'm like, I didn't have to do that.

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And that would have been the management's job to let

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me know, Hey, you shouldn't do that, like you shouldn't

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have to appear on a horse and sing in a

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giant gown, and.

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Like I just did things because they asked me. And

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I'm like, ah, better say yes to everything.

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You know, obviously, your whole point of going on the

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show was because you wanted to forge a career as

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a singer. And then what happened over time was that

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you weren't given the opportunity to be creative, to perform

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for your fans. You're doing corporate gigs because they make

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the most money for your management, being asked to record

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cover albums rather than original music. I know that, you say.

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In hindsight, I realized I didn't have to do all

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of that, But at the time, how did that feel?

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Like?

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How was that demoralizing? Oh?

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Absolutely, at the time.

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I was just so upset, like just heartbroken every time

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something like that would happen. For example, you know, I

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do talk about it in the book, but we did

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this photo shoot, you know, with like one of the best.

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Photographers in Australia.

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We did this cover shoot for Gladiator, my next single,

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and the whole team was so excited. We put in

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all this effort and then I just get told days later, oh,

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this isn't right for you, so we need another photo.

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It just didn't make any sense.

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Then they would just pick my previous single cover and

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just change the color and call it the new single cover.

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And it was to punish me. You know. It wasn't

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oh this actually you know doesn't look good on you.

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It just it was just a way of.

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Punishing me because I didn't listen to everything that they

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were telling me to do. I didn't even know that

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I was offending them. I wasn't trying to, but just

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because I didn't say yes to the single that they

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wanted to wanted me to do.

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Yeah, and they.

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Would cancel my music videos after they were made, and

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then my album kind of didn't do you know. Well,

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it went up on the charts, and then it just

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went down right straight away because there was no promotion

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around it, no tour. So then I was in this

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position like, oh, you know, I've got to do as

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I'm told because where do I go from here?

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So then I do it otherwise they punish you.

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Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, Okay, I'll be a good girl.

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I'll do what they want me to do. So then

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I do an album of covers and I do it

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with all my heart because I'm like, I'm not going

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to do a half fast job on this, so do

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my best.

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Then they go oh, you've got to redo that. It's

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not right.

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It was extremely frustrating and yeah, demoralizing. I remember just

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thinking to myself, I hope one day I can talk

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about this, and I hope one day I am in

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a position of power where I don't have to put

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up with this crap.

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I think that was in my head the most going.

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I can't do anything now, because then I'll just disappear

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and no one will ever hear for me.

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I'll never get to tell my fans what happened. It's

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very tough.

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Just on that subject of the music video. Like, there

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was so many like little insights into the industry things

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that I didn't know, Like you explain in the book

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about like this whole recoupable account thing where you actually

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the money that they spend or that you spend on

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creating a video has to be recouped from record sales

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or something. Right, you go to all of this trouble

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to make this amazing video and then Sony just says, Nah,

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don't like it. There was one video that you haven't

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even seen to this day, yep, because they just trashed

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it and still made you pay for it exactly.

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Yeah, there were two videos like that so the one

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they trashed, so we shot another one overnight. No sleep,

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just get it done. I didn't get to see that either.

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And it's to protect my brand, they said, and I

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just it was just frustrating.

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To say the least. To say the least, tell me,

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the relation that you formed with Danny on the show

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was much publicized, like you, it would appear, you know,

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there'd be magazine articles where you were hanging out with

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Danny like outside the show and stuff like that. And

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I know that you said that she intervened early on

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to get you a new music video made. I'm curious

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to know kind of how supportive was she throughout the

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subsequent years, Like did you maintain that relationship? You know,

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how important was she as a mentor, as a role model,

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like after the show?

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Yeah, so she did jump in for in that very

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first moment after I got signed, when Sony made this

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video for my very first single and it was really bad.

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So Danny came in and said, you can't do that.

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You know, she deserves better and the fans deserve better

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after you know, following the journey from the X Factor,

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and she jumped in. She directed a whole video without

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asking for any money, and that was incredible, Like I

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always remember that with like such awe, because who does that.

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You know, even afterwards we would catch up, you know,

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if I'm in Melbourne, I would go to a place

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and hang out with a family. Just stayed in touch

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and you know, I speak to her from time to night.

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She called me the other day to congratulate me on

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the book, and you know, it's just really nice to

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have somebody who's real and genuine. And I know that

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most mentors from these shows don't do that, you know,

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like they don't have to. They go through so many

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artists they have to mentor, and they don't get paid

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to stay in tart and do all that. So I'm

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incredibly lucky that I found somebody who's just so so beautiful.

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And I mean she's got so much experience in this

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industry as well, so just being able to talk to

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her and like.

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Ask her opinion on things is great.

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But when I was in the thick of all that frustration,

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I didn't even know what to ask.

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I was just like, okay, you know, it was yeah,

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But I think, yeah.

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In hindsight, I should have called Daddy and be like,

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if I do this is, Yeah, this makes no sense.

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That would have been good in nine side. Yeah, but

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you're right, like, when you're in it, it is it's

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really hard. It's hard to know when you don't have that.

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You don't know what. You don't know in those situations exactly.

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And I also didn't know whether, you know, it was

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a good thing if she goes and says, oh, I'll

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talk to whoever, and I'm like, then I might get

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in trouble or you know, it was just just scary.

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I came across this woman on TikTok a little while ago,

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who was posting, you know, obviously TikTok is he's like

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three minute videos, and I'd never seen this woman. She

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just came up on my four you page and it

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turned out she was an X Factor in the British

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X Factor. She was maybe twenty thirteen and I think

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she came second. I thought she was the winner, but

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it turned out she came second, and so she got

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signed and I was just glued to her story in

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these little three minute videos and she basically just described

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her experience. I swear it was almost identical to yours.

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She talked about being so sick and the label forcing

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her to perform and asking for time off and them

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just being not interested at her not being able to

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do the shows that she wanted to do, not being

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able to make the music that she wanted to do.

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She's now out of that contract as well, and I

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think that she's working on a book, but she's really

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careful about what she says because she's got all these

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non disclosure things. You know, as you do, is this rife?

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Like is this quite wide? But the way you were treated,

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would you say that this is fairly widespread, particularly on

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the back of these reality TV shows as well as

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I guess the music industry in general, but particularly in

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those Yeah, I.

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Mean we were all treated like that. You know, there

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were a lot of us, and we were all treated

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like that.

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But I feel lucky because I came out through the

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other side and I'm talking to you. You know, I'm

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doing this.

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You know, I'm in a good place where I still

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make music and I have the DIMI army supporting me still.

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But like a lot of artists didn't make it.

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They they gave up, and you know, I came so

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close to giving up as well.

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At one point I was like, I would rather.

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Go back to singing at rural churches for five grandmas

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than have this major record label contract where I have

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to sing another covers album. That was the point where

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I was like, I don't care if I never record again.

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I can't do this anymore. It's too humiliating and I

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just wanted to have autonomy like a person, like a

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real adult. You know. It wasn't worth it, no matter

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how much money they were going to throw at me

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for doing something that I wasn't willing to do.

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I was like, I don't need that anymore. I'm just

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going to go.

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And a lot of artists have chosen that path and

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so they just do their own thing.

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They're gone.

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So yeah, I hope that you're enjoying this conversation and

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realizing the benefits of positivity in your own life. If

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you are enjoying the show, please be sure to like

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So the turning point for you, would it be fair

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to say so? Then Eurovision came along? Was that the

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turning point for you?

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It was definitely a pivotal moment for me, not just

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because it was a great platform, but that's where everything

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started to click and it was a turning point. And

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what happened such a huge platform, you know, and even

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the most seasoned artists, they are like shitting their pants,

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like that's that's the expression everyone used, Like it's not

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like any other performance.

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It's so nerve wrecking and very stressful. After going through.

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That, like and during it, that's when I realized Sony

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and my management, maybe they don't have the same.

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Interests or the best interest for me. They have their

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own agenda.

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So like in the book that the Sony called and said,

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sing the song like the original, don't change it, just

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sing it as the recording.

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And I was like, oh okay.

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And Paul Clark, who was the head of Eurovision for Australia,

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he heard what was happening and he said, you know,

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you don't have to do everything they tell you to do.

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I was like really, And that hadn't even crossed my mind.

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I thought I didn't have a choice, but I was like,

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oh okay, And that was the.

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First time I went maybe they don't care about me.

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Wow, maybe I need to look out for myself. My

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management team wasn't even there, so I had a Sony

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with me. And after it was all over and I

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came second, I almost won, which was a huge achievement

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for me, and I was incredibly proud, and I started

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to question everything. I went, why am I with my manager?

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What does he actually do for me? I started to

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question everything, and there was this huge shift in my career.

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I started to change up the people that I work with,

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and then there was a lot of friction because of that,

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you know, because I wanted to now leave Sony, and

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you know, it became really tense before I could be

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set free.

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How was that for you? You describe yourself as being

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very shy and introverted. You've spent all of these years

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telling the line, doing what they say, not making trouble,

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and then you really had to fight, and you know,

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these are senior people, men in suits, and you had

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to stand up for yourself. Like where did you find

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the courage to do that? How how did you manage

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to do that?

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Look, yeah, I am the most uncon confrontational person in

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the world, Like I hate confrontation.

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I would just smile and laugh things away.

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But I had to decide, look like I need to

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stand off for myself, otherwise I'll be stuck in this

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place doing.

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What I don't want to do for myself. So I

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had to really pull up that courage where you know,

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big girl pants and do it.

475
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And I guess when I actually went into that boardroom

476
00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:37.480
to have the meeting with the big boss, with the lawyers,

477
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.599
the men in suits staring at me, I felt really

478
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:46.880
calm and I could just speak what I wanted to

479
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:52.119
say without emotion, like, without getting angry or upset. I

480
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.440
just thank them, listen to their monologue for twenty minutes,

481
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.440
and then I said, thank you, thank you for everything

482
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:01.359
you've done for me, But you don't want me or

483
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.000
my label if I don't do another covers album.

484
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.279
So I guess this is it. You need to drop me.

485
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.079
And that was a really great moment for me because

486
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.680
it was the first time I actually went head to

487
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:18.079
head with the biggest boss, who everyone was scared of.

488
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.200
All the men in suits were scared of, all the

489
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:24.559
artists were scared of, very powerful, and I was ready

490
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.279
to be dropped. I wanted to be dropped, and they

491
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.160
weren't going to let me go that easily. But it

492
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:36.240
was the first step of me trying to escape that contract.

493
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.680
Yeah, and you did right. That was the beginning of

494
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.599
the end, really, and you were able to get out

495
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:42.279
of that contract.

496
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:43.519
Yeah, it took a while.

497
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.680
It was a bit more patience, and by that point

498
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.720
I had a really great person who actually did have

499
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.039
the best interest for me as an artist, and so

500
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:58.519
he had to sort of threaten their people, saying, if

501
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.960
you don't let her go, Dami might go and tell

502
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.000
everybody she's you know.

503
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.079
She's a bit crazier, you know, like you don't want to.

504
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.920
Like. He had to do that, and their reputation was

505
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:11.839
important to them.

506
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:13.720
So that's how it happened.

507
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.359
But it wasn't straightforward, but we did get out together

508
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:18.000
in the end.

509
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.000
You talked in the beginning, tell me about being really

510
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.680
religious and having a little Korean church community. And I

511
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.279
know you spent like so many, you know, months and

512
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.359
years performing at little Korean churches, traveling back and forwards

513
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.559
to Korea to get yourself started to practice your craft.

514
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.960
How important was your faith I suppose in getting you

515
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.519
through those tough times as well.

516
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:44.599
I guess whenever I had those upsetting moments, which were many,

517
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:49.039
I had to keep reminding myself of how God has

518
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:53.359
led me through that, like up to that point, because

519
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:58.079
my journey from coming to Korea, coming to Australia from

520
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:02.200
Korea doing piano, growing up here, going on X.

521
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:06.400
Factor winning, like that whole thing was just crazy. And

522
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:12.039
I really felt like that was God leading me through that.

523
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.880
Whole process because it felt so supernatural, like how did

524
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.200
this happen? Really miraculous and hard to explain, and yeah,

525
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.519
it just amazed me. So I couldn't deny that God

526
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:31.079
didn't lead me to that point, and so I kept

527
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.240
thinking there must be something in this, even if I

528
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.000
don't understand it. Now, you know, there must be a

529
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.279
bigger plan, and you know He's going to take care

530
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:46.319
of me basically like I'm in good hands and you know,

531
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.279
no matter what, like and you know what, like I

532
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:54.240
suppose I had this really like deep core belief that.

533
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.880
Even if I lose everything, I'm.

534
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:01.440
Gonna be okay, like that feeling, even if they don't

535
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:06.359
want me anymore, or yeah, I go home and can't

536
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.279
sing and do whatever, like I'll be okay because I've

537
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.440
got you know, in his planned something will happen and

538
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.119
I'll do something else, you know, like that that feeling

539
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.960
helps you feel less desperate.

540
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:24.119
Yes, I agree. I agree. You know, whether you are

541
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.319
a little bit woo woo or whether you're you know,

542
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.319
really traditionally religious, which you know I'm not. I'm much

543
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:31.680
more of that kind of Oh. I just think the

544
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.319
universe is kind of out there protecting me. It gives

545
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.359
you that sort of trust, doesn't it. It gives you that

546
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.000
sense of no, like I don't have to cling so tightly.

547
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.119
I'll be okay.

548
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:42.839
Yeah, definitely.

549
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.160
Like and I know a lot of people who believe

550
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.559
that that's their everything, you know, they don't have that

551
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:58.319
sense of trust, as you said, and those people end

552
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.599
up going the wrong path like being I've seen it

553
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.640
so many times, like they become addicted to drugs or

554
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.240
addicted to you know, just like bad relationships or like

555
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.960
it's just that they need to grab onto something otherwise

556
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.559
they're just so scared of, yeah, losing that one thing.

557
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.000
And for me, yeah, that wasn't the case. I as

558
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:21.119
much as I.

559
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.720
Love what I do, I always try and remember even

560
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.519
today that if I were to lose it, I'm still fine,

561
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.400
Like I'm gonna be okay, even though I'll be upset

562
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.640
of course, I'll be so sad, but I'll be fine.

563
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.720
I'll be sad for a while, but I'll find my way.

564
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:39.960
I also didn't see this on the news when it happened,

565
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.559
but I've heard about it since that there was some

566
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.480
big investigation into Sony, right, there was a four Corners

567
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.240
report and the toxic bullying kind of culture. All these

568
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.000
people spoke out. How vindicating was that.

569
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.920
Yeah, when that came out, to be honest, like it

570
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:57.880
was pretty tame.

571
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.359
Like when I watched it, I was like, oh, that's it. It

572
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.759
like that's all.

573
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.480
And I guess, you know, because of lawsuits and like

574
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.319
legal stuff, they probably couldn't show everything. But at least

575
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.279
I was so glad that that day of all of

576
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.119
us from the industry seeing that change happen, you know,

577
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:20.799
that that was something to celebrate.

578
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:22.359
And because like a.

579
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.359
Lot of us would say back in the you know

580
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.799
this all happened, or this all came out, we all said, yeah,

581
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.400
you know what, this will never change in our lifetime,

582
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.559
Like that was what everyone said. People who were you know,

583
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:40.480
employees of the company, other artists. Yeah, we just said, yeah,

584
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.759
this probably won't change and you know until I'm old

585
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.599
and retired. So who cares, Like I've just got to

586
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:50.640
push through and live with how like the unjust treatment

587
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.079
and whatever was happening. But yeah, so that was really

588
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:58.240
great to see that change and you feel acknowledged, you know.

589
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.559
And I guess like because of that, I can talk

590
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.599
about these things and be believed. Otherwise I would just

591
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.079
be like this person yapping and people going what do

592
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.880
you mean? Like they're fine, everyone else is fine, Like

593
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.279
why are you complaining?

594
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.279
And that change, like that was big change, wasn't it.

595
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.880
So the boss of Sony stood down, Like here had

596
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:23.400
been the boss of everything, controlling the music industry for

597
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.759
all of that time, and there's this massive change. Now

598
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:26.839
there's this whole news.

599
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.720
Yeah, everyone's talking out about what happened, and there's a

600
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.640
new boss at the company, a female boss, so everyone's

601
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.400
being a lot more hopeful about the future.

602
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:41.440
So and for you, Darmy, you know what happened for you?

603
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:44.000
So you got your own manager, You ended up joining

604
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:44.880
a different company.

605
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.400
Yes, I got signed to ABC, which is a lot smaller,

606
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.480
but I have all the freedom, all the support. So

607
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.880
I released my own album last year with them, which

608
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.720
was so great because yeah, it was like I had

609
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.039
all control do everything that I wanted to do, I

610
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.240
always got, you know, said was always said no to.

611
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.119
It's been so good and I'm you know, doing the

612
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.599
book and tell the stories. I mean, there was the

613
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:17.319
boring C word COVID of two years where everything.

614
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.240
Was like about to happen, and then it did it.

615
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.039
It felt like there's this gap where nothing much happened.

616
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.720
But yeah, since then, everything's feeling so much better.

617
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.839
Yeah, I'm so happy for you, honestly. And the album

618
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:32.480
that you put out last year, which is called My Reality,

619
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:37.279
is amazing, brilliant, Thank you, and it's what your DAMI

620
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.039
Army have been waiting for for so long exactly. So

621
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.079
I just think that Damie Army, so it just really

622
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.759
speaks to the power of the fan base, you know,

623
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.440
like I think about even the Free Brittany movement, like

624
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.359
the fans for years fought for her to get out

625
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.880
of that conservativeship and they just have so much power,

626
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.160
and especially with social media now they are force the

627
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.839
fan base. So I think that the DAMI Army is

628
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.720
an amazing kind of story. You know that they have

629
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.079
rallied around you and supported you for such a long

630
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.400
time and they're so loyal and love you so much,

631
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.199
So it is amazing that you're able to now share

632
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.000
the truth exactly.

633
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.400
Yeah, I think, and then they really deserve to know

634
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.880
the truth of what happened with my videos and the

635
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.719
photos and all the albums. Like it was just Yeah,

636
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:23.719
that was the hardest part, I supposed because I couldn't

637
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:24.719
tell them what was happening.

638
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.880
I just had to be like, it's happening, and it's not.

639
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.880
Happening, and they're saying, where's the video, where's the video?

640
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.440
When you're saying and you couldn't say.

641
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.719
Anything, yeah, and I'm just silent. That was hard.

642
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.840
Dummy. You have a little baby, now you have your

643
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.320
freedom in your musical career. What is next for you?

644
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.079
Now that we are out of the worst of COVID,

645
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:45.840
What is next?

646
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:47.719
My gosh. Yeah.

647
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.119
So I have been saying that I wanted to come

648
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.840
back to Eurovision for the longest time, and that was,

649
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.840
you know, two years ago, and so I'm hoping that

650
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.000
that can happen soon. I'm hoping it's next year, but

651
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.840
who knows that maybe Dami Army will rally again and

652
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.199
SBS will make that happen for me.

653
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.559
Who knows. So that's been at.

654
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.360
The top of my list of things that I really

655
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.159
want to do to come back and have another crack

656
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.880
after all those years, now that I have, you know,

657
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:25.000
the freedom and maturity I suppose, and yeah, that's that's

658
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.400
pretty much all. I've been working towards this all the time.

659
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.679
And then I'd love to to do more more music,

660
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.440
and yeah, I have a few things that I really

661
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.400
want to do that hopefully I can share if I

662
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.679
get to do Eurovision.

663
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.119
First, I mean, well done, congratulations on enduring and you know,

664
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.000
just staying the course and finally, you know, getting to

665
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.800
getting to tell your story and getting to do what

666
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.119
you're born to do, which you really are.

667
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:54.280
Thank you.

668
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.960
Dami's memoir is called Dreamer and it is out now

669
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.039
in all bookstores. You can follow her on Instagram at

670
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.280
Dami im. Thank you for listening and don't forget. If

671
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.000
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