Sept. 15, 2019

Taking your body back with Amy Sheppard

Taking your body back with Amy Sheppard
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Taking your body back with Amy Sheppard
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Season 4 Women's Health And Wellbeing Self-Confidence

The front woman for Aussie band Sheppard, Amy Sheppard was always upset with the look of her body, even from age 10 when she would look at magazines feeding her beauty standards she could never reach. In 2014 Amy performed for Ellen, an honour she was humbled by, but behind it all was the fear of not looking right, of being judged and of hating her body. Then she decided she wanted to be part of the solution so she published a photo of her in a not so flattering pose expressing her desire for people to stop punishing women for their imperfections. From there her body positive movement #kissmyfatass blew up and now Cass Dunn talks to Amy about what we can all do to be better.https://www.facebook.com/amysheppardpie/
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Transcript
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A listener production.

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Hey guys, you're listening to Crappy to Happy. I'm cass Done.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist, a mindfulness meditation teacher,

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and author of the Crappy to Happy books. In this series,

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we look at all of the factors that might be

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making you feel crappy and give you the tools and

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the techniques that will help you to overcome them. In

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each episode, I introduce you to interesting, inspiring, intelligent people

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who are experts in their field, and my hope is

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that they will help you feel less crappy and more happy.

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Most of us know Amy Shephard for her musical talents

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as one of the lead vocalists in the band Shepherd,

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but more recently, Amy has been making a different kind

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of noise with her kiss My Fatass movement. So what

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began with Amy posting an unedited photo of herself wearing

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a bikini on Instagram has grown into a campaign promoting

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self love and body positivity. Shepherd have now released a

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hit single and a music video to spread the kiss

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My Fat Ass message and I could not have been

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more thrilled to have Amy in the studio.

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To start with.

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You just want to tell us a little bit about

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your background, like how did the band Shepherd? You were

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in a band with two of your siblings, how did

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they get started?

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It's such a long story now, so it's been I

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think it's been nearly ten years that I've been doing Shepherd,

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so it all beget I've always wanted to be a

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musician since I was about ten years old. Oh well,

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and it actually started then when my guitar teacher used

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to be a session musician for Yoty Indie.

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Oh wow. And he had these amazing stories.

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Of touring with like Janet Jackson and or like Madonna,

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and I just couldn't believe these stories. And I was like,

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this is what this is the life I want to live.

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I'm going to work really hard to get there. And

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I was very lucky to find my passion at a

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young age.

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So fast forward. After school, I went and studied.

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A diploma of music just at south Bank Tafe here

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and Brisbane. So one of my assignments was to write

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a song and produce it and promote it as if

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it was really going on iTunes in the market. So

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I wrote this song and of course I left it

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the last minute, as teen had you too, and my

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brother was up from Sydney. He was studying acting, and

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I knew that he could kind of sing, and I

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was like, George, can you get on this track and

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sing some harmonies for me? Because I'm in deep poo

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poo of our kids.

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In the studios. I don't know if I can swear

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you can.

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Yeah, And so George got on the track and started

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seeing harmonies and he had all these ideas and I

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was like, are you serious, Like you're actually amazing at this,

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Like why don't we continue to write? I can come

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up to Sydney. Oh, down to Sydney every now and then,

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and we'll just keep going and doing this. And he's like, yeah,

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great and yeah. And then it wasn't long before we

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met Jay Bevino, who's the third songwriter and Shepherd, and

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we just had a chemistry that was so special and

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we were just like pumping out songs that we were

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really proud of.

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Wow. Yeah and yeah.

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Ever since then, Shepherd, it would be no birth a Shepherd, right.

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And so I'm really curious to know you have obviously

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always had a close relationship with your siblings.

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How is it working so closely with family?

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It's actually I guess question a lot and they're like,

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oh if I was an abandon of Myson like killderm.

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But it's been really good. It's been really get along,

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really well. We're actually friends in real life.

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We hang out.

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We all have the same for tor group. I don't

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know where that's lame, but it's the way it is.

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We're good friends. And it's actually easier because you can

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be honest with them. You don't have to walk on

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eggshells and worry about offending people. You just come out

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and say it and you might have a fight and

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then you get over it and like siblings do, right,

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and it's the best way to resolve some problems, a

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lot of the problems that we do face.

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So Amy, everything has been going amazingly well, like for

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many young people in their mind, you are seriously living

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the dream you wanted to be a musician. You came

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out of school boom, you know, tourtal rock star. Literally

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so there and bring us to now. January sixteenth, twenty

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and nineteen.

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Yes, so, oh my gosh, it's just so much has

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happened since since we started the band. And yeah, we've

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actually had a little bit of a break. George my

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brother has a nodule, my nodule and his vocal cord

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on his vocal cord, so we're going to have to

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have a couple months off. But it's been really good

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because in the meantime, I've started this whole just naturally happened.

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I started this movement called kiss my Fat Ass, which

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is all about I guess, body positivity and self love,

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and yeah, it's going really well at the moment, so

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I'm kind of exploring.

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It's explain that.

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Explain how that came about, because it is a movement,

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it's all over social media.

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But what was the impetus, Like, how did this begin? Well,

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it wasn't.

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I didn't go out and say I'm going to start

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a movement, and it's been really organic, which is the

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best part of it all. But it started with an

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Instagram post. I've always been very self conscious of what

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people think of me and the way I look, and

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I'm very aware that obviously I'm in the public eye

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and I need to be perfect blah blah blah. And

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I was looking for content one day and I was like,

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I need to upload a photo otherwise the algorithm's going

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to punish me.

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And the perils of social media. It's just exhausting, really.

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But I was looking through like three hundred photos and

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I couldn't find one to upload because you didn't like them,

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because I didn't like any None were up to Instagram standards,

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you know, that high standard that is there. I did

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come across this photo that my boyfriend took of me

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by the pool, and it was just a candid shot

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and I was kind of looking at him and I

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had cell you light all down my legs and my

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butt because you know, the sun was at it was midday,

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and I was just like, I love this photo, but like,

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what can I do to get rid of that cellu light?

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So I sat there for like ten minutes trying to

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face tune. Yeah, my legs and my button. It just

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looked like fake, you know, it goes all blurring. And

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I was just like what, Like I just had a realization.

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I was like what am I doing? Like who do

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I think I am? That I can't have cellulite. You know,

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there's people following me on social media, young girls and

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you know, women and men of all age, and here

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I am face tuning my butt and they're going to

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be comparing their real butts to my fake butt, and

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I just thought, I'm just gonna post it. So I

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posted it as is and I just threw my phone

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aside because I was really fed up. And I came

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back to my phone a couple of hours later, and

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it was my most like photo and the comments were

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just overwhelming. I was getting dms from people saying like

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thank you and so relatable. Da da dah. Yeah, So

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it really opened my eyes to a lot of things

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from that moment, and I just realized that something people

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need to see this people in reality, right, people can't

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believe it's such a shock to people to see a

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bit of cellulite. Yeah, so that's where it all began.

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And I just continued to upload photos and you know,

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photos of me running on the beach, which is like

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my worst nightmare. And yeah, in turn, I've sort of

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healed myself of these insecurities.

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Yeah, that's amazing.

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Yeah, it's been really liberating for me and hopefully for

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my followers.

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This is such an important message that you're spreading, amy,

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and I really, you know, I really appreciate it because

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I'm the mother of a thirteen year old girl. She's

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actually in the studio with us today, and she's here

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because she wanted to meet you because you're a really

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positive role model for her.

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Thank you.

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Because young girls and young women and women of all

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ages are exposed to these really unrealistic depictions of what

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a woman's body is supposed to look like and have

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these such unrealistic ideas about how they're supposed to look.

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And I did want to ask you as somebody, particularly

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in the music industry. I mean the pressure is on

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all of us, yeah, but do you feel like, especially

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in music fashion influences, you know, these people in the

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public eye are under even more pressure.

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I would say so only because they're.

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They need to release content all the time and they're

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trying to keep up with each other, do you know

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what I mean? And that standard that's set, so if

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you want to look professional, you look to the professionals

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and what are the professionals doing? Their airbrushed and their

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skinny and there that's you know, the ideals of beauty

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is presented to us in such an unrealistic way, and

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I think everyone that's what everyone looks to are the

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like you know, the vogues and the runways, and what

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you see in the runway is not really what a

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woman's body.

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Is not really?

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Uh And when you say this was a real issue

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for you, I'm really curious to know. So, like how

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big an issue? So how concerned were you about how

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you looked? So I was an overweight child. So I

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was bullied through primary school and I grew up in

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Papua New Guinea and then coming into boarding school here

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in Brisbane. I found it a real shift. So it was, Yeah,

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it was.

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Very different, and I just found I had no self

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esteem at all. Left I was just the shell of

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a person who just awkwardly move around school. And I

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did have like finally eventually made a couple of friends,

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but just I just didn't know who I was as

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a person. I yeah, I just had no self esteem

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at all. I wasn't good at anything. I wasn't you know,

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I don't know, happy at all because I was just

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bullied and yeah, it didn't have any self worth. And

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it's taken me a really long time to grow on that,

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and years really because you know, you move ahead a

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few steps, but then you take a few steps back.

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And yeah, so I think it was. I ended up

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losing a lot of my weight around fourteen. I had

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a growth spurt and just got into sport and although

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I had lost weight, my self conscious issues were still there. Yes,

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and I think this is a really important message because

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people think that body positivity might only be for overweight people,

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but I disagree with that.

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I think I do too.

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Yeah, I think body positivity and growing self esteem and

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self confidence is for everybody.

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In fact, I was going to mention that I had

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a client of mine recently. I don't really see clients

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one on one, but if I've seen somebody before and

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they want to just come back to check in with something,

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They're welcome to come and see me. And I had

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a client come to see me recently who has been

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under a lot of stress and she's lost a lot

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of weight, and she's also getting married, and she is

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having huge anxiety and self esteem issues because she feels

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too skinny.

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And then people say, but you look fabulous, like you look.

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Amazing because we worship thin. People just keep on telling

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her that she's ridiculous, which just makes her feel even worse.

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So I totally agree that. I think anybody at any

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shape or size can experience that internal dissatisfaction with themselves.

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And I think sometimes those messages are even more. You know,

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when people say, but you've got the perfect body, I

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think it just can make things so much worse.

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Yeah, it's so true. It's how we see ourselves is

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the most important. It sounds so cliche, but it's.

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So true how you feel on the inside.

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And in fact, it was my station with Tarren Bramfort,

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who I know you have been doing some work with

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as well. Yes, we had her on season three of

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the podcasts. And even though I know this and I

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talked to this to women about this all the time,

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it was when she said, why do we even say

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to women, wow, like you look great?

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Have you lost weight?

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You know, just reinforcing the message over and over again

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that you look better. Yeah, that then is the ideal.

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And what do we say to men? I was thinking

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about this on the way here today. We say, oh,

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you look great? Have you been working out? Yeah, that's

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so true. We don't say to men, oh lost some weight, look, yeah,

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that's a lost bit of year around love handles there,

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you know, Johnny, we don't we say you've been working

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out like you've been fit, you look fit, you look strong,

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whereas we don't necessarily, Yeah, that's so true.

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Value women's physical appearance in the same way.

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Yeah, I think it's also important to sort of for

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people to realize that there's other compliments that you can use.

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Yes, we stide your shape of your body exactly, Yeah, exactly.

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It really opened my eyes, actually, that conversation about how

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much we just generally comment positively or negatively on women's appearance.

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then yeah, later on, it just reinforces that statement that.

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That's where my value lies. Your value lies in the

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way you look, which is not true at all.

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So Amy, it also just occurred to me that of

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all of the guests we've had on the show so far,

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and especially around this topic, you're probably one of the

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first ones who has grown up almost in this Instagram era,

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this generation of social media. So have you got any

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thoughts or comments on what that is like, the extra

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pressure that that.

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Puts on young people.

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I think I was twenty when Instagram came out and

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it went from home. If you scroll right backed a

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thousand million photos, you can see my first Instagram posts

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and it's of a little grasshopper. Quickly you realize that, oh,

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that doesn't get any likes, you know, and then you

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start with yourself and you're like, oh, that selfie gets

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more likes. And that's where it really stems from. It's

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like this validation just from other people of the way

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you look, and you're like, oh, if I pose this way,

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I get more likes. If I show my butt, I

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get more likes. And I think a lot of people

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get caught up in that world, and it scares me

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to think that there are young kids who've never grown up.

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I've never lived in a life without Instagram, and they're

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being exposed to what adults usually like. Back when I

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was growing up, there were specific things for adults, but

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now Instagram is for everybody, and although it should be

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thirteen plus or fourteen plus.

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The rule is thirteen plus.

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But there are many young people with Instagram accounts who

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are not yet thirteen.

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Yeah, And some of the things I come across on Instagram, I'm,

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you know, borderline pornographic, and I can't even imagine the

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implications that is having on young women. And they feel

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that they have to look a certain way because they

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see this model and Instagram with hundreds and thousands of likes,

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and they like, okay, well, obviously that's good because she's

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doing well, she's got a lot of likes. They aspire

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to be that she's you know, she's got the lips

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and the boot tubes in the bikini. Yes, but that's

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also one of my biggest tips is to be really

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careful of who you follow, Yeah, because although yes, a

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bikini model does get a lot of likes, that's not

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the only people who get a lot of likes you

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can get.

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You know, you can get a lot of lots of

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really positive role models.

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Lots of positive role models out there as well, So

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I think it's very important to make sure you've got

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a clean feed.

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Yes, my daughter's thirteen, and I make a point of

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following her friends on social media as well, just because

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you know, I like.

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To keep up to date as well.

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And there are definitely some things that are horrifying, horrifying

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twelve year old girls. And sometimes it's a friend of

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a friend, Like somebody will tag somebody and I'll click

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the tag.

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And see who's that, And.

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You're quite right, semi pornographic at the age of twelve thirteen,

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And these young girls, you know, they block their parents

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so their parents can't see, and they're just who is

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influencing these girls, Like, where are they getting the idea

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as you say that this is what they need to

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do to be validated and to get approval social approval.

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Yeah, exactly.

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At the end of the day, they're just trying to

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fit in and you know, they're trying to be normal. Yeah,

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and that's their normal and it's scary. It's really scary.

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And that's why I don't want to be part of

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the problem. I want to be part of the solution.

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And I applaud you for that.

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Amy. You mentioned earlier that the.

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Response that you got from that photo and the response

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that you've continue to get by phat posting images of yourself.

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That are real, has helped you heal.

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I'm really curious to hear more about that healing process

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and what that has.

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You know, what that's really meant for you?

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Well, I think the reason I'm healing is because everyone's

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just saying how it's okay and they can relate. It's

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okay that I have cellula and I'm still beautiful and

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i'm you know that people are saying thank you. And

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I think healing others has helped heal myself at for sure.

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It's just proven that you don't need to be stick

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thin to be successful in your life. And it's really

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shown me that my value doesn't lie in the way

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I look. Just being honest with people and saying, look,

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here's the word, here's the worst of me. You know,

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then haters lose their they lose power and they can't say, oh,

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look at your you know, cellulary hail damage, you know,

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because I don't care.

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Yeah I have.

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Cellula, what I still can sing? I still can do

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what I do and you know, travel the world and

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have a career. So doesn't mean anything.

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Right, you are so right when you can own your

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your flaws and imperfections perceived I should say flaws perceived

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imperfections when you can just accept yourself, which is I

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understand how challenging that is. I don't dis you know,

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diminish how challenging that can be for people, especially who

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have grown up with a very low sense of self worth.

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But when you can own your own the whole of you,

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people lose their power of you. Nobody can nobody can

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attack you because well here I am like, come at me,

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because I'm you know.

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What I mean, and not in a negative way, but

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I've you know, spun it in a way that's positive.

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It's like, yeah, I have cellulate, and doesn't It doesn't matter.

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Why is cellulate negative. It doesn't mean that I'm lazy

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because I train five times a week. Doesn't mean that

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I'm you know, less than you. It doesn't mean anything.

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So why is it that people look at things like

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cellulate or belly rolls or stretch marks as a negative.

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It's a positive because it's shown that you lived. You know,

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you have stretch musks, because you've grown, or you've had

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a baby, You've created life exactly. I just don't think

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that's a negative at all. It's not a negative at all.

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This really reminds me of the whole kind of Brene

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Brown message about vulnerability. You know that our connection lies

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in our shared vulnerability. And when we can reveal the

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parts of ourselves that we feel are kind of ashamed

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of or we're worried that we're going to be judged for,

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and can reveal those selves those parts of ourselves, and

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people connect. People say, oh god, you know I can relate,

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like you made me feel better.

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I'm not alone.

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And then there's this power of just like you said,

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like healing not for yourself but for everybody. So everybody

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can relate and everybody then has permission right to be

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themselves as well.

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Exactly right. And I think for me it was like, oh,

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I'm not alone. Yeah, you know, I'm not aloning, You're

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not alone. We're together in this. And yeah, I have

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had a couple of you know, trolls, but you delete block, No,

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I just leave it there. Yeah, and often I have

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my own people standing up for me. But you know,

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it's just goes to show that there are trolls, and

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I think it's important to keep them up there so

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that people can.

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See what the point is, right, the whole thing, see.

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The point, and there are always going to be haters

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no matter what you do, there's always someone who's got

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to say the opposite or the negative in it. And

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I think it's really important to show how you handle

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yourself in those situations. And then people can see how

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many positive comments there are and there's one negative, do

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you know what I mean? So the positive outweighs the

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negative every time.

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And you're also now you've been putting together a music

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video a new song, the.

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Kiss My Fat Ass.

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Yes song, can you it's not out at the time

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of recording this episode, but do you want to tell

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us about it? Yeah?

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So it's coming out on July twenty sixth.

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Oh, it will be out by the time this episode

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is out.

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On it.

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So I wanted to take kiss My Fat Ass a

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little further than me just posting photos of myself. I

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wanted to, I guess, give back and explore what it

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could do and how many people it could reach. So,

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of course I'm a songwriter, and I had a writing

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session with George and Jay. We had two weeks in

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the studio where we just sat there and wrote every day.

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And sometimes you know, you lose topics and you can't

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think of what to write. And I thought, well, let's

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write a song about kiss my fat Ass, and.

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This song came out and it was amazing.

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We all got on board and it was nice to

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see the boys like you get into it get into

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it as well, and instantly we had all these ideas

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about what the video clip could be and had this

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idea of doing something similar to Blurred Lines, but with

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more diverse women involved, because if you guys haven't seen Bloodlines,

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it's just basically naked supermodels dancing around these two men.

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So yeah, I reached out to a couple of my

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I guess Instagram friends and my supporters, and I got

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some amazing people who agreed to be in the clip

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and dance with me in nude underwear. Yeah on set,

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which was I just honestly, I'm overwhelmed that people said yes.

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And everybody I spoke to in the clip was like,

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this is scary, so I'm.

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Saying yes, I love them.

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Yeah.

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Everyone just pushing themselves to do something a little scary

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and out of their comfort zone and it was the

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best day. Everyone was just so supportive. There were no egos,

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and I had Yes. I had Tar and Bromfit from

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Body Image Movement, Tiffany Hall, who you know quite.

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Well of course I saw my lovely Tiff, and Tiff,

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of course was the co host of the podcast for

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two seasons. And I want to say it was completely coincidental.

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I had no idea Tiff was doing that with you

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when I invited you to come on the show.

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It's just a little serendipitous moment there.

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Yeah, And it's just everyone who's there was meant to

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be there. I think I had another girl called mon

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Murphy who's a power Olympian, and yeah, I was looking

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because I really wanted someone to represent each type of woman.

472
00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:53.160
It's quite hard to do because there's so many times

473
00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.759
a lot of times to women, but I really wanted

474
00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:01.119
disability to be represented. And I just happened to be

475
00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.039
getting my hair done and I saw these little boys

476
00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.839
who were like paralympians, just on the side of the

477
00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.799
road and they had just come from what looked like

478
00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:10.920
a conference. And I was like, Oh, if they were women, like,

479
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:12.400
I'd go and ask them to be in the video

480
00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.920
clip because they're awesome. And then my friend comes running

481
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:17.480
in and she's like Amy, Oh my god, like you're

482
00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:19.240
here in the hairdresser and I was like, yeah, what

483
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:20.799
are you doing here? She's like I was just in

484
00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:24.960
the area and I saw that there's all these beautiful

485
00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:28.680
Paralympian women who I have obviously just come from a conference,

486
00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:30.559
and would you like me to go and ask them

487
00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:32.319
if they want to be in your clip? So I

488
00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:36.279
was like, okay, sure. So she ran over and was like, hey, like,

489
00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.599
you know, have you heard a shepherd?

490
00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:40.000
So random?

491
00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:41.960
In this one, there was one girl who's from Brisbane.

492
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.720
She was like, I would love to be involved, Like

493
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:44.599
that sounds amazing.

494
00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:46.400
Yeah.

495
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:49.680
So her name's Minnique Murphy and she's a swimmer and

496
00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:53.680
she's incredible. She's she's gone through she had an accident

497
00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.480
and she's gone through some really tough times and I think,

498
00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:59.160
you know, when she had an accident, she mentions how

499
00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:02.359
she was focused on her scars and her you know,

500
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.920
she lost a leg, so she was worried about That's all.

501
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:06.200
People would see when they saw her.

502
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.119
And she's come out of that and everyone who was

503
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.640
there was meant to be there for a reason. And yeah,

504
00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:14.759
it just filled me with pride and filled me with

505
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:15.519
such happiness.

506
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:16.640
Yeah, good for you.

507
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.319
And I was also interested to see because Tiff has

508
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:24.160
just recently posted an image on her social media about

509
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.160
that day and about dancing in her rundies and even

510
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.160
she said, now, Tiffany Hall, most people would hold up

511
00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.880
as kind of the having the perfect body. And I

512
00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:35.559
know she's had a baby and she's bounced back. She's

513
00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.079
been amazing as well. But she's very fit, very strong,

514
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.799
and even she said this was really scary, like to

515
00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.920
get out and dance my undies, but she loved it, obviously.

516
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:46.680
But it just goes to show that it.

517
00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:50.880
Doesn't matter what people see on the outside, like that

518
00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:54.119
pressure to look a certain way affects everybody.

519
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:54.599
It does.

520
00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:56.799
Hopefully this is going to send out the image of

521
00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.559
the message that yeah, we're all went together and everybody

522
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.359
is in ske about how they look, and bodies are

523
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.680
so different to how you know in a photo, to

524
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:07.799
how they move on camera and how they move.

525
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:08.440
In real life.

526
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:12.119
So I hope this shows some young girls watching and

527
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.880
some you know, older women too, that it's normal for

528
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.000
to have jiggle and you could be even Tiffany Hall

529
00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:18.920
and have a little jiggle.

530
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:21.200
She's you know, one of the most beautiful women in

531
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.039
the world, of course.

532
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.119
And I had Carra Saunders, who is the second fittest

533
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.720
woman in the world. She came second across for games. Wow,

534
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:32.920
and she's just had a baby, so yeah, she was

535
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.039
a quote unquote brave.

536
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:36.359
To be on that.

537
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.440
I don't like using the word brave because it sort

538
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:39.920
of sends a message that you have to be brave

539
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:40.720
to get out there.

540
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.720
And I think, I think though it's true though, if

541
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:45.240
you said to me, come and dance in your undies

542
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.480
and be in my film clip, that would terrify me.

543
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.319
There's no question about that. Yes, and she's she just

544
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.240
had when she filmed. I think the baby's four weeks old,

545
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:59.000
so wow. Yeah, she represented yeah, postpartum bodies and she

546
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.119
was amazing. And then she did her little CrossFit movements

547
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:03.880
and it goes to show how strong women are and

548
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.440
she represented like strength, beauty and strength.

549
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:07.960
Yeah.

550
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:10.799
So it was a really beautiful day and a good

551
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:11.519
message as well.

552
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.359
I hope everybody rushes to download that, goes to rush

553
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.319
and watch that clip because I think that's a really

554
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:18.400
amazing message.

555
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:20.599
Thank you, Good for you. It's one of the most

556
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:22.960
proud projects that I've ever been a part of.

557
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.480
In Shepherd so Amy.

558
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.039
The show is called Crape Bit Are Happy, and we

559
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.759
always like to, you know, talk through what the issue

560
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.160
is or what the problem is before we give our

561
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.400
listeners something really practical that they can take away and

562
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.480
apply in their life so that if they're going through

563
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.960
stuff like this, that they can, you know, live their

564
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.680
happiest life. So I'm really curious to know what you

565
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:43.799
would like to share with our audience.

566
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.559
I would just like to share that your value does

567
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.200
not lie in the way you look. And one of

568
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.599
the biggest tips that I could give, and I've already

569
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.079
touched on this, is to clean up your Instagram feed

570
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.359
or your social media feed. Be careful of what you

571
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.680
take in because it really affects what you think of

572
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.519
yourself because you're comparing yourself to these people. And yeah,

573
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.960
so I follow now people who are inspiring and uplifting

574
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.599
and people who do cool things and rather than people

575
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.799
who just look good in a bikini. I went through

576
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.759
and unfolowed a whole bunch of people and it really

577
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:23.720
did change my life because now I aspire to have goals.

578
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.079
And I think that's another tip is just to set

579
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.880
goals and achieve them and don't put yourself up if

580
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.160
you don't achieve them, just continue to work at it

581
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:37.000
and adjust. Yeah, and I think my self esteem now

582
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.400
doesn't lie in the way I look. It lies within

583
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.440
my goals and achieving goals. And once I know that

584
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.640
I can do something, I feel great about it and

585
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:49.400
I feel better about myself. And I also would suggest

586
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.160
shutting down that negative voice in your head. You know,

587
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.160
everybody has it. You wake up and be like, oh,

588
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:58.200
it passed the last night, you know, and then instantly

589
00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:59.759
from that moment you're like, I don't like what I

590
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.599
see in the mirror.

591
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.119
I just shut it down completely.

592
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.599
It's ongoing. It's this ongoing chatter. You've got to be

593
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.279
so attuned to it. I even get the voice in

594
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.480
my head still. You know, I'm still working on myself

595
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.680
every day, but every time that little voice does really

596
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.039
it's ugly head, I just shut it down as best

597
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.680
I can right away, and I say something positive about

598
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:21.920
myself because you have to want to change as well.

599
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.240
You know, you can feed into the negative voice and

600
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.440
the negativity around you. But I think it's so important

601
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:31.319
just to have a few positive things and things that

602
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.200
you are good at and things that you like about yourself,

603
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.319
which you can shut down the negative voice in your head,

604
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.680
like I hate my legs and shut that down with

605
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:41.880
oh my I did like a PB squat yesterday.

606
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.559
And my legs did that for me.

607
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:47.359
Yeah, you know, my strong arms, you know, tod push

608
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.680
ups or whatever it might be, or whatever your goals are.

609
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:53.200
Focus on the positives and stop thinking about the way

610
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:53.519
you look.

611
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.880
I think also, you know, even if you didn't do

612
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.920
a PB yesterday, just the fact that I can get

613
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.920
up and walk out of this studio, or I can

614
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.680
carry my groceries. You know, when you think about that message,

615
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.839
that message about totally able bodied versus disabled, like focusing

616
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.519
on what your body can do, even on every day level.

617
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.839
Yeah, there's a lot to be grateful for. Is we're

618
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:14.400
so lucky.

619
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.240
You know, I grew up in pap New Guinea, so

620
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:20.640
I've been, you know, exposed to a lot of people

621
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.920
with misfortune and people who aren't as lucky as we are.

622
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.839
So anytime that I do have a negative day, I

623
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.240
just think back to some of my memories and some

624
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.559
the way some people live is really cruel, and you know,

625
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.559
it's sad that they have to live their days day

626
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.359
and day out worrying about what they're going to eat.

627
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.119
And here we are being like, oh my genes don't fit.

628
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.160
You know what I mean world right, first world issues,

629
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.960
and just so having a think about is this issue

630
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.839
really that bad? Is it really going to affect what

631
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:50.759
I can do today.

632
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:55.119
I've been doing a lot of reading and talking and

633
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:59.319
teaching about this self ending, this kind of self criticism lately,

634
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.759
because it's right, and I think people don't realize that

635
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.480
the voice in your head your brain doesn't distinguish between

636
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.039
your voice, your inner voice, and an external voice. So

637
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.160
if you're saying you're fat, you're a loser, your disgrace,

638
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:17.880
your physiology, and your mind and everything reacts the same

639
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:20.160
way as if that was somebody else saying that wow

640
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.640
to you. It causes the same stress response in your body.

641
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.519
You're a Meig dealer, which is the fight or flight

642
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.079
center in your brain which reacts to kind of threat

643
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:29.480
or you know, being attacked. It sort of reacts in

644
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.960
the same way whether it's your voice or somebody else's voice.

645
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:36.079
So it causes us to be constantly then on alert,

646
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.079
like looking for more problems. And so we just stay

647
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.440
in this negative spiral in our own minds, just constantly

648
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.440
focusing on more problems. Because as soon as you activate

649
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.079
that threat response, that fight or flight, then your brain

650
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.200
automatically starts looking for more things to be concerned about.

651
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.160
So with our own worst enemies. Really quite literally, it's.

652
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.359
True, and it can ruin your whole day.

653
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.799
So I'm really focused on now making sure my negative

654
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.440
moments don't turn into negative days and weeks like they

655
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.039
used to. And I think it's really important to have

656
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.240
the tools to get out of those negative headspaces. And

657
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.400
one of my biggest tools is just having positive things

658
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.440
to say about myself. Like, yeah, like I said before,

659
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.440
these legs can get you out of bed, and these

660
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.440
legs have taken you all over the world and you

661
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.799
can jump on stage. As soon as I hear see like,

662
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.640
oh my, look at my cellulardy legs, I think, who cares?

663
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.720
Look at these beautiful, strong legs.

664
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:29.240
Yeah.

665
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.240
I sound silly to say out loud, but when you

666
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.759
do say it out loud, it really can change the way.

667
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:35.319
It's powerful.

668
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.920
It's powerful, and it really changes the way you see

669
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.680
yourself and feel about yourself for the day.

670
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:40.480
And I love that.

671
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.119
Don't let a negative moment turn into a negative day.

672
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.480
Yes, yeah, I think that's really important. Everybody has negative moments.

673
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.200
You might go into the change room and you decide

674
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.920
ten jeens don't fit or whatever, and you just think, well,

675
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.799
I'll just go the twelve Like who cares? So, Amy,

676
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.200
what are your hopes and dreams for kiss My Fat Ass?

677
00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:58.279
Like?

678
00:30:58.279 --> 00:30:59.960
Where do you want it to go? Look?

679
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.400
My next goal is to get better at public speaking.

680
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:07.039
I because I've had such confidence issues and negative self talk.

681
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.599
I've always had a fear of speaking publicly. It's something

682
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.599
that I am getting better at. But I would love

683
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.960
to get up and speak to a large number of

684
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.319
people and be able to do it confidently.

685
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:19.440
So that's my next goal.

686
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.559
And share this message of course, and share the kiss

687
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.200
my Fat Ass message whilst doing that. But in the meantime,

688
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.400
I'm just enjoying seeing having people see this video clip

689
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.279
and yeah, hopefully it just continues to get the message

690
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.279
out there that it's okay to be who you are,

691
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.440
just as you are, and to love your body the

692
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.759
skin you're in. Yeah, fantastic.

693
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:46.519
It has been such a pleasure having you, Amy, Thank

694
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:47.279
you for having me.

695
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:48.599
Thank you so much for your time.

696
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.279
Make sure you check out the kiss My Fat Ass

697
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.559
single and check out the music video which is on

698
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.160
YouTube if you haven't already. It is catchy and it

699
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:05.920
is a great message. My new book, Crappy to Happy,

700
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.640
Love What You Do is out in all good bookstores,

701
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.640
so if you want to find more happy in work,

702
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.839
go and check it out. Tune in for the next

703
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:18.200
episode where natural health expert Nat Pringudas shares all of

704
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.039
her best advice with me about how to have happy,

705
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.319
healthy hormones and what we can all do to prevent

706
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.039
problems before they occur. Nat is full of practical advice

707
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.960
and this is a must listen for all girls and women.

708
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.440
Crappy to Happy is presented by Cash Nutt, produced by

709
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.400
Davis Vilenski, Pudio production by Darcy Thompson.

710
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:42.680
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