Feb. 6, 2019

Tapping for mental health with Jacqui Manning

Tapping for mental health with Jacqui Manning
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Season 3 Psychology & Neuroscience

What is EFT aka ‘tapping’? Psychologist Jacqui Manning explains to its benefits for treating anxiety and other issues in adults and children. Jacqui and Cass Dunn discuss the research supporting it for mental health, food cravings and weight loss.Connect with Cass:www.crappytohappypod.comhello@crappytohappypod.com 
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A listener production.

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Hi, you're listening to Crappy to Happy and I'm your host,

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Cas Dunn. I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist, mindfulness meditation teacher,

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and author of the Crappy.

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To Happy books.

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In this series, we look at all the factors that

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might be making you feel crappy and the tools and

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the techniques that will help you overcome them.

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In each episode, I.

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Introduce you to interesting, inspiring, intelligent people who are experts

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in their field, and my hope is that they will

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help you go from crappy to happy. Today, I'm talking

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with Jackie Manning, who is a psychologist who frequently appears

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in the media and this year is a psychologist on

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the Super Switch. Jackie has been using tapping in her

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psychology practice for almost twenty years and has seen firsthand

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how it has helped people very quickly overcome issues such

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as anxiety, phobias, even PTSD. Had a chat about exactly

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what tapping is, what the science says about it, and

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how you can apply it in your own life. If

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you thought that EFT tapping was a little bit hokey

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or a little bit out there, then I feel confident

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that this conversation will change your mind.

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Jackie.

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For our listeners, can you please explain to us what

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is tapping.

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So, tapping is a set of techniques that works on

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the meridian system in our body, and the meridian system

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is something that transports energy. So it's quite an Eastern

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medicine philosophy used in shigoung and acupuncture.

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And those kind of treatments or modalities.

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It's often referred to as psychological acupressure or psychological acupuncture

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because you're using your stimulating points, typically by tapping those points.

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Hence tapping exactly very creative name, mostly on your face

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and your fingers, and you don't have to tap the

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points if you don't like to tap the points though,

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like everybody's body is individual, everyone's energy system is individual,

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so I would tap a certain way, whereas someone else

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might prefer to just touch those points or massage those points,

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and you can get benefit from that.

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The theory goes is that.

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By focusing on a problem or an issue, it while

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while you stimulate those points through tapping, touching or stimulating

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those points, you unblock your energy system. And it's the

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blockages in your energy system that can cause ailments such

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as anxiety, physical pain, emotional pain essentially, and by focusing

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on the problem tapping for it, you can unblock your

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energy system. It's not a magic wand it's not going

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to resolve every issue in your life.

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But I know.

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But what it can help enormously with is your reaction

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to certain situations.

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The trauma or memory.

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Or association and you have with a person in your

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life or a situation in your life that's causing you

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a lot of discomfort.

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So if somebody listening to this thinks this all sounds

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a bit woo woo and they're a little bit skeptical

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about it, you're a psychologist.

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You use this in your practice.

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I'm interested in, Jackie, and how did you first get

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involved with this, What brought this to your attention and

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what got you on board?

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Yeah, well, I first learned it back in ninety nine

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when I was a tape counselor. So I was working

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full time as a tape counselor and we had staff

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developments back then when tape had some funding, and a

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guy came in and taught us tapping, and I thought, oh,

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that's interesting. I'd never heard of meridians or energy before.

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But I promptly forgot about it when the next presenter

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came along, and didn't really think about it for some months.

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But about that same year, probably three or four months

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after that, I had some surgery and I had a

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lot of physical pain surrounding the healing of that surgery.

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And there was one night, and I can still visually

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vividly remember this. I was sitting there in the most

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enormous amount of pain. There was nothing I could do

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physically for myself, and tapping popped into my mind to

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and I thought, oh, well, what the hell can I

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swear on the show with them?

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I probably won't.

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Exactly, it can't hurt.

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I gave it a go, and no word of a lie.

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It just the procedure I was having to do. It

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took the pain away instantly, and I was gobsmacked. I

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didn't really know what had happened. I was quite spun out, really,

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to tell you the truth. But it was enough of

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a hook to get me curious, and I was grateful

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for it being such a dramatic hook, which won't always

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happen for people. Since in the years since, it doesn't

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happen like that every time for me, It's not the

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case so I don't want to set people up with

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that belief that you know the ground of tapping and

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it's going to cure everything.

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It's not like that. It takes persistence and work.

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But it was enough of a light bulb moment for

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me to go, Okay, I don't get that, but I

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want to know more. And so I went on to

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train with two wonderful men called doctor David Lake and

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Steve Wells and basically followed them around for about ten

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years and learned all that good and became great friends

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and colleagues with them, and then started to use it

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with clients. I got my com infiden it's up with

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using it with clients because it is strange when you

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first look at it. It often makes my clients giggle.

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It often makes them go, how can this help me?

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And I get that, and I encourage people to be skeptical.

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Of course you would, why would you believe what I'm

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telling you unless you try it on for yourself. But

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being cynical blocks you off from things that could help.

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So I just encourage clients to try because it's really

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good to introduce to people because it's not going to hurt.

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It's not a medication that might have side effects. It's

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not going to hurt them. The worst that can happen

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is it will do nothing. And that's if usually if

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they don't use it, and that's okay. You know, it's

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not the only tool in the world, but it's just

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a really useful one to have in your back pocket

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because life throws us a lot of crappy.

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Time sometimes and it's what do you do with that?

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A lot of times psychologists rely on the thinking patterns,

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and that's only a part of us.

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There's a huge part of our being.

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That's our subconscious mind, our body mind, our soul, you know,

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our energy. What you can't think your way out of

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certain situations because you've already would be if you could exactly.

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So I know what tapping is and I've used it

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before and I've done a workshop on it. I have

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to admit I'm probably one of those people who's been

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not very consistent with using it, but I'm very supportive

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of it. And I think what's interesting now is back then,

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Jackie like, there really wasn't a lot of science to

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support it. You just went with it because you saw

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the results with your clients. Right, yes, But fast forward,

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twenty years and now there is loads of science coming

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out proving its effectiveness, particularly around things like well, PTSD

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seems to be the big one for war veterans, and

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I read one study where eighty six percent of war

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veterans no longer met criteria for PTSD after six sessions

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of tapping, which is unbelievable when you think about how

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chronic and debilitating and how PTSD is like, it's very

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hard to treat.

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It's extremely hard to treat, and this is the PTSD

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and those studies with the Vietnam vet's Gary Craig started

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those years ago and got those great results. And with

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any I work a lot with clients who've had PTSD

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in different forms through sexual assaults or perhaps childhood trauma,

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things like that, and why it stays in their system

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is because every time they think about that memory. So

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for those veterans, for example, if they thought about if

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they had flashbacks about something that happened and I can't

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imagine what they saw, they would feel that emotion in

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their body. They'd feel that tension, that anxiety. You can't

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help it tense up. And you can test this out yourself.

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So if you think of something that's stressful for you,

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like an exam or a job interview, or something that's

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making you feel anxious stress. I had a client yesterday

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talking about golf. You know, golf is a very psychological game.

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You can feel it in your body and you can't

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argue with that. Tapping is a body technique. It's often

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described as a psychological technique, and it does work, particularly

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your thoughts eventually, but it really works on the body.

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It stimulates these meridian systems, which is the system used

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in acupuncture as well. So it's physical and so that's

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why the more tapping you do, the better.

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So when you think of these flashbacks, these difficult.

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Times, your horrible mother or whatever it might be, there's

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that sensation that goes along with that, Like I know,

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I feel it in my stomach, People feel it.

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We feel all in our body for sure.

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Yes, absolutely.

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And my belief is it gets stuck there too, and

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people just don't know how to release it. So they

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tuck it away, tuck it away, tuck it away, and

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think that that's gone until it erupts one day because

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the stress levels have gone too high or something's happened

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to stir things up, and they haven't dealt with this stuff,

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and it's got to come out somewhere, and it's better

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it comes out in a treatable way rather than getting

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sick or some other kind of trauma that happens to

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people to compound that.

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So there is a lot.

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Of research that's been done over the twenty years i've

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been working. I haven't conducted any myself, but Steve Wells has.

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He's done several studies on phobias of small animals and

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things like that and got great results. There's Peter Stapleton,

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you've probably heard of up in Queensland. She's done lots

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of research on food and cravings and that stress and

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food cravings are.

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We all know their links, so what do we do

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about it.

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We're tapping helps with dealing with not only the physical

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craving for food, nicotine, alcohol, whatever it might be that

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you're craving, but it deals with the underlying stress that's

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contributing to that need for that substance.

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And the interesting thing, glad that you mentioned Peter Stapleton,

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because the interesting thing I read about her research because

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now that they've got evidence that it works in terms

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of changing people's behavior and in producing results, that are observable,

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you know, weight loss, things like that. But she, I believe,

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is the first person who has actually put people through

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fMRI studies and looked at the activity of the brain

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while they're tapping. And people look at pictures of food

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that would normally stimulate a craving, tap through that process,

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and after four weeks, when they look at that food,

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the part of the brain responsible for activating a craving

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doesn't activate, So that actually completely diminish the trigger or

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the craving that normally would arise when they look at

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that thing or whatever it is that they would normally want,

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which is absolutely fantastic.

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Is amazing.

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It puts the power back in people's hands.

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And I think the reason why it works so effectively

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is because it works on both the body and the mind.

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So when you're looking at certain programs for quitting smiking.

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For example, I had another beautiful client years and years ago.

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She'll always stick in my mind too. She was terrified

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of quitting smoking. She rang me because she wanted to

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quit smoking. However, she had so much anxiety panic attacks

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due to her upbringing.

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But I so forget about the smoking. Let's just keep

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smoking for now.

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Let's work on all the other stuff underneath that and

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what's holding you back and the reasons you think why

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you can't quit, and then we'll look at quitting. And

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we did, and I work with her, like seriously, fifteen

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years ago or something. I contacted her recently for a reason,

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and she's still smoke free. She's still you know, she's

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she's amazing. And because it gets at the roots of

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the belief systems that we all carry around with us

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and that feel so real, but they're not real. They're

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just bis belief systems that we all kind of grow

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up with and get fixated on. I must mention this too,

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because tapping works amazingly for the anxiety spectrum it has.

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I will try it on any type of anxiety.

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It doesn't have the same success rates with depression, and

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that's quite sad, and you know, it's all quite disappointing.

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We haven't quite worked out why. But it can work

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with some mild aspects of depression. It won't work with

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the same level of depression. So I just want to

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mention that in case I forget later, so that people

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don't have that kind of expectation.

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That it will work equivalently. On everything.

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Yeah, good to know.

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It's good to know.

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I did see there was a review where they did

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look at they have looked depression and they've seen some effect,

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but it does seem to be mostly around anxiety disorders

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and all phobias o CD, generale, anxiety, trauma, addiction, everything

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that you that you mentioned.

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Yes, because I think if you think about fear, fear,

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you know triggers that far.

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Off a fight response.

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There's that arousal in your body.

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It's very clear that you're experiencing symptoms of anxiety. You know,

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your heart rate increases, it's measurable, you can feel it.

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It's that energetic peak of anxiety. And tapping is a

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very it has a very calming effect, so it will

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help bring that down. But with anxiety, as you know, Cass,

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you know, it sets up this pattern of a cycle.

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And so I used to use this analogy. But I

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did learn tapping twenty years ago. It's a bit out

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of date. I have to think of a new one.

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But it's a bit like I grew up with records,

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you know, listening to music on records, and if you

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scratch the record once it wouldn't play. It would still

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play quite quite reasonably. But if you kept scratching it

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and scratching it and scratching it, eventually that record just

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couldn't play.

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In the same way.

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And so I used to say to people, it's like

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the belief that you might have a panic attacks like

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that record, and if we scratch it enough, fingers cross,

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I would never guarantee this would happen for anyone just

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putting it out there as a possibility, but fingers cross,

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if we do work hard enough and scratch it enough,

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that record just simply won't play. And one day that

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panic attack belief that you've got will just evaporate, or

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the anxiety you live with may just dissipate.

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Off the back of that.

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The tapping therapy works on the limbic system, which is

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an ancient system in our brain that keeps us safe.

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Many of your listeners will have heard of the fight

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or flight response and what that is. It's a small

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part of our brain, but a very powerful part called

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the amygdala, and when there's a danger or a perceived danger,

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it stimulates this system into action, which is literally pumping

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blood through your system, making your muscles in gorge so

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you can fight a predator or run as fast as

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you can away from it. I like in the amygdala

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to the smoke alarm that we have in our house.

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So our smoke.

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Alarm will blare at a piece of burnt toast, and

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it will also make the same screaming sound if our

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house is burning down. The amigdala's job is not to

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discriminate what the fear actually is. Its job is just

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to alert you to the fact that there's a fear,

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the fact that there might be a perceived danger. Now,

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clearly we live in a modern world. We're not being

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chased by sabertooth tigers. But our perceived fears are things

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like job interviews, deadlines, you know, new relationships, new big goals.

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All those kind of things are the things that trigger

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this fight or flight response. There's also the freeze response,

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but we won't go into that for you for today.

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So the way tapping works is to calm the amygdala

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down and in some cases literally sort of shut it

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down in those situations so it just won't fire in

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the same way. You can calm it down in other ways,

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of course, but tapping is just a very effective way

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to do it, and it's quick and it's simple and

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I'm a fan of quick and simple.

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Most people are fans of quick and simple, and I

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think that that is that's a really helpful explanation. So

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in terms of somebody right now who perhaps was a

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skeptic and it's now saying cool, I'm on board because

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I'm really anxious about my performance appraisal or that date

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I'm going on on Friday night or whatever. So what

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is the actual process that they follow? They think about

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the situation that's really stressed, and then what do they do.

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I'll talk you through it.

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So some people are very visual, So if you are

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call up a picture of yourself being in that interview

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room or in front of that date and not knowing

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what to say or whatever it is. Some people are

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very auditory. So think of the words you might say

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to yourself, like I'm going to stuff it up, I'm

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a loser.

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No, they're not going to like me. Whatever it is.

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These negative thoughts.

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I must make this point because I continually have to

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remind clients these negative thoughts are there.

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They're in your brain. They're no secret, it's just that

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you're trying to hide them.

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So I have clients getting worried that I'm trying to

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program negative thoughts into their brain, but tapping actually does

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the opposite. You need to deal You can't deal with

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a problem unless it's in your focus. And so that's

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why I'm talking about negative thoughts, because they're there. Doing

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some tapping ahead of time is a beautiful way to

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minimize that anxiety.

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It may not take it away one hundred.

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Percent, but let's face it, if the scales are down

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by eighty percent, that's a pretty good result. So you

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think of the issue that's in front of you, and

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then you start working through the points. I'll describe them,

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and they correspond to different parts of your body. So

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the best way is to take two fingers, and because

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that way you can it doesn't matter to be too exact,

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but you'll be able to hit the point with two

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fingers more easily than one. So the first point is

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where at the very beginning of your eyebrow, sort of

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above your nose, the bridge of your nose, but closest

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to one eyebrow, and you start tapping right where that

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eyebrow begins.

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Either stiar, it doesn't matter, Either.

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Side doesn't matter. You have them down both sides.

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I have clients that like to do it both sides

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at the same time. That's absolutely fine. You have it

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there for a few seconds. There's no exact number of

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times you have to tap. You just do it till

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you feel like you want to move on. Then the

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next points where your eyebrow finishes, near your temple area,

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but just where the eyebrow finishes, and you just tap

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down there. The next point is underneath the eye in

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the center, almost where your pupil would be if you're

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looking out in front, at the top of your cheekbone.

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This point I love and I always mentioned this to

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clients because our stomachs, for many of us, not for everybody,

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but for many of us other things, is the part

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of our body that reacts to emotional situations. Yeah, so

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it gets butterflies when we're excited, and it gets sick

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when we're feeling nauseous with anxiety about something. This spot

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here on your cheek corresponds to your stomach. It sits

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on the stomach meridian, so it will calm your tummy

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nerves down. Even if you just use that one point,

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it would help. So it helps if you've eaten a

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bad curry too. Because I've travel in India so it

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doesn't have to be an emotional cause. And then underneath

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your nose is the next point, and then underneath your

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lip is the one after that, which is in the

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little bit that dips in so ye your lip and

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your chin. Then there's a colarbone point, and the best

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way to find that is to find either head of

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your collar bone at the go to the hollow of

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your throat and there's two heads to your collar bone,

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and choose one and come down below it, and there's

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kind of like a dip between your clavical bone, your

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collar bone, and your first rib and your stern them.

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So that's the point there. I love this one.

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This is just my personal experience, and everyone needs to

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experiment for themselves.

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That's the best way.

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But I find this one really useful for when I'm

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doing head based work, so not when I'm really with clients,

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but if I'm doing writing or something and I've got

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three things to do at the same time and I'm

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not quite sure where to start, I'll kind of come

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straight to my collar bone, take a nice, big deep breath,

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and to me, it feels like my energy's just had

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a big windscreen wiper across it, and I can focus.

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I love that one. Good for when you're in front

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of the kitchen. I can hear you tapping as you're talking. Sorry,

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I always do it, which cue.

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And then everybody's tapping along with us.

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I'm saying, So.

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The next quot's under your arm. Now, this one. I

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find it by it because it's a little bit tender.

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For most women, it's kind of where the top of

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their bra sits for most minutes, in line with the nipple.

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But don't worry too much, just kind of reach around,

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act like a monkey.

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So it's the side of your body basically where you're

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on the side of your bras strapped where it wraps

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around yet.

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And I don't know about ukas, but I find it

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feels a bit sore or sensitive, so I go, okay.

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Yeah, sometimes it does. Yeah.

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And then there's a point on the top of your head.

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Now you can tap right in the center, as if

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you were a marrying it puppet being pulled up, and

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that's where the string came out of.

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I quite like tapping almost.

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As if my hand's one of those head massage things,

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you know, like so tapping with my finger head or fingers.

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I just like that. So that's how I do it

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these days. I didn't always do it like that, but

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that's how I do it now. Because we've got points

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all over our head. These are not the only meridian

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points you have. Clearly, if anyone's had acupuncture out there,

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flstic needles in your leg or tummy or whatever, it

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could be lying on the same meridian channel as your

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face that this is just a different way of stimulating

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that meridian with the face points. When you've got an

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issue and focused on it, just keep tapping until you

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feel enough of it has shifted, and your body will

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let you know you kind of feel this sense of

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I know for myself, if I'm feeling sick about something

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and I tap and I tap, I might need to

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tap for three minutes. I might need to tap for ten,

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depends on what I'm upset about. You just tap until

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you feel a sensation of it shifting. That's enough of

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the gunk out of the way. If you like, you

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can then introduce a couple of positive phrases. So for myself,

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i'd say things like, you know, if I'm using the

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job interview example, i'd tap for the fear would be

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I'm going to stuff it up.

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I'm going to forget what I'm meant to say. They're

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going to think I'm an idiot.

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All those kind of thoughts would be my personal in

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my personal bag.

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And then we're all the same, We've all got the

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same bag.

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Exactly, we're all human.

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And then once I felt the shift, and once I

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felt more calm or the noise you're gone or whatever

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that just that shift, I'd then finish it off a

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couple of positive focused phrases such as, help me to

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connect with them today. You know, what if I can

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be calm, confident, and completely myself in this interview, what

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if it goes supremely well, I don't know.

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Whatever you task on those as well to kind of

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bed those more positive.

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Yes, because if there's any reaction against that, that will

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come up, but it's most likely going to be lessened anyway.

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My provides I'm in teaching it that way is saying

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to clients, you wouldn't if you were a doctor or nurse,

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you wouldn't stitch up an infected wound without cleaning out

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the infection first.

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So don't jump to the happy ending. You've got to

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deal with the crap fist.

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You got to get from the crappy to the happy.

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Exactly exactly, And people often want to bypass the crappy,

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but that's just not possible.

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It's just going to pop up somewhere else.

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So you know, let you know, deal with the negative

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and then you know, create what you want to. And

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I love the phrase what if I can be calm

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flying to the UK when I've got a flying phobia.

479
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.279
I don't personally, but I see lots of clients who do.

480
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.720
What if I can what if my body knows it's

481
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.920
safe when I'm seeing my family at Christmas or.

482
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:08.160
Whatever, whatever it might be.

483
00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:13.680
I like the phrase what if rather than an absolute statement,

484
00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:16.640
because affirmations and absolute statements can sometimes set us up

485
00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.720
for failure. Can you say, okay, I'm going to be

486
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.359
powerful on the golf course and then you stuff it up, Well,

487
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.920
then it's going to add to your list of things

488
00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.359
that make you think you're not good at whatever it

489
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.079
is you want to be good at. But if you

490
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.039
ask the question, what if, what if it's safe to

491
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.960
let cigarettes go after I've they've been my only friend

492
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.680
for twenty years?

493
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.480
What if I can achieve that goal?

494
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.160
It's asking a question, there's less pressure and it lets

495
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.359
you open the door and come out and be it open.

496
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.279
It opens up the possibility, doesn't it. It's a nice

497
00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.359
exact way to just consider what might be possible without

498
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:49.400
locking yourself in.

499
00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:53.000
And I know myself if I say the alternative, the

500
00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.000
what if has like an open feeling, an open hearted feeling,

501
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.759
I can breathe through that, I can feel it. Whereas

502
00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.240
if I say, Okay, I'm gonna do this or that,

503
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.160
to me, it feels a bit like there's a tension

504
00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.920
around it and almost an anxiety in itself around it,

505
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:08.279
like I must do it, you know.

506
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:09.720
So just play with that.

507
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.759
With the tapping though, it really is about the meridian stimulation,

508
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:14.640
so it really is.

509
00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:17.880
Don't get too caught up in the words. Just go

510
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:18.640
with the feeling.

511
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.279
I mean, how you access that feeling could be through words,

512
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.440
It could be through a picture, It could be through

513
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.119
a sensation, as a discussed earlier.

514
00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.319
Now back to the energy toning idea.

515
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.119
The reason why that's good is because we have a

516
00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:34.200
conscious mind, and we have a subconscious mind or an

517
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.319
unconscious mind, and we're not in control of what's going

518
00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.039
on in our subconscious and so if I'm walking the dog,

519
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.480
I might be feeling perfectly okay, but I don't know

520
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.480
what's going on inside, you know, in the recesses of myself,

521
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.000
so I may as well tap to help that shift

522
00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:54.920
and to help that kind of bubble up and evaporate.

523
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:56.920
It's good for me.

524
00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.720
So it's another way of accessing the tap being technique.

525
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.640
And as I said, it's really once you know it

526
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.079
and once you feel comfortable using it, it's so discreet

527
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.839
and you don't need to and what I've done in

528
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.000
the past, as I've said in the beginning, you don't

529
00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:14.480
actually need to tap the points to get benefit from it.

530
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:15.640
You can touch the points.

531
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.359
So when I've been in situations where I'm really exposed,

532
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.599
like on live TV, I'll just touch the point and

533
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.079
hold it, and to me, that's stimulating it. And I've

534
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.720
been it reminds my energy system you're okay, you know

535
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:32.680
you got this, yeah, And it gives me that reminder.

536
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.200
And I think that's because I've done it for so long.

537
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.119
But people don't have to do it for twenty years

538
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.839
obviously to get benefit. I do encourage people when they're

539
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:42.680
first learning it to do it.

540
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:44.759
Daily if they can. Don't worry if they forget though,

541
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:46.400
for a day. It's okay, we're all human.

542
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.559
I forget to do it sometimes, and that's ridiculous because

543
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.920
I teach people, but okay, I'm a human. I stay

544
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.319
with meditation and me say exactly exactly. People expect us

545
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.960
to be perfect. We're not perfect. What's perfect anyway, but

546
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.960
to do it re for probably that first month or so,

547
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.200
so your body, so you get used to how it feels,

548
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:08.359
and you feel how it feels on your face and

549
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.039
your fingers, and you try it out.

550
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.079
Basically, bottom line with tapping is just give it a go.

551
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:16.240
Try it on whatever you want, because if you don't

552
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:19.119
try I can tell you a thousand stories of myself, clients,

553
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:24.880
my kids. It's beautiful for kids, but that's not going

554
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.440
to mean anything to you unless you try it for yourself.

555
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.079
And you can't do any harm with it, So I

556
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:30.880
figure it's worth a go.

557
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.200
Do you believe there is a right way and a

558
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.759
wrong way? Because I know, you know, I've known about

559
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.359
tapping for a very long time, and there's a lot

560
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.200
of people who say, will you start with the karate

561
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.279
job and the set up phrase? And I love and

562
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.119
completely accept myself. I think that people get stuff to

563
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.440
the right, Yeah, to do it wrong. What if I

564
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:53.480
forget that step.

565
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:54.960
That's why I've made the transition.

566
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:56.599
So back in ninety nine, I first learned it in

567
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.079
that structured way, the EFT way. You get your set up, fray,

568
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.799
you do your set up, you say it three times,

569
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:05.440
blah blah blah. It works, but people don't do it

570
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:07.400
because it feels too hard and it feels like when

571
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.079
they're doing it with you, they feel like you've done

572
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.000
it a certain ways, so they've got to emulate that

573
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:12.920
and blah blah blah. So God bless Steve Wells and

574
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.079
David Lake because they're the ones that came up with

575
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.279
what they call set or simplified energy techniques shortcut.

576
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.799
I kind of call the whole thing tapping. Yeah, I go,

577
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:21.640
it's all tapping.

578
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.400
Sometimes I have the odd client that likes the structured version.

579
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:26.400
That's fine.

580
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.359
I can teach it that way and they can learn

581
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:31.079
it that way, but we evolve pretty quickly to make

582
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:31.799
it a bit simpler.

583
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.599
I can't even remember.

584
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:34.599
I probably did the eve TA way for maybe five

585
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.880
eight years something like that, but for the last ten.

586
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:37.799
Fifth, I don't know.

587
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.440
For the last little while, long while I've been doing

588
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.559
it in that more simplified way, and the reason being

589
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.720
is you'll get more tapping out of your day. So

590
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.119
my sex sessions with clients, not the whole session, but

591
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.079
a chunk of our session. When they're telling me a

592
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:55.119
story about what's going on for them, we're tapping continuously

593
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:55.720
the whole time.

594
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:56.240
Oh wow.

595
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.000
And the reason we're doing that.

596
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:01.720
Is because as they're talking about their partner, their parents,

597
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.559
whatever it is that's troubling them, they're getting that reaction

598
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.279
in their body. So let's get started. Let's not park it,

599
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.240
do a phrase, do it? You know, it just become

600
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.400
a bit it became a bit clunky. And we found

601
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.720
another way, and I found that simpler to use.

602
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:17.599
And I'm all about simple and easy.

603
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.279
So easy, yeah, and clients like it, then they're more

604
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.000
likely to do it.

605
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.920
I just wanted to add there that I attended a

606
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:27.200
seminar about a year ago now with Bessel Vanderkock, whom

607
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.000
most people haven't heard of, but he is the world's

608
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.559
leading or one of the world's leading trauma therapists. He's

609
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.519
at the leading edge. He does amazing work, and he

610
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:34.519
uses tapping.

611
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.400
Coming out again, isn't he?

612
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.400
Yeah? He comes every year or two years or something,

613
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.240
but he uses tapping. And he sat on the stage

614
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.599
in front of you know, five hundred therapists and said,

615
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.599
there'll be people who tell me that I do this wrong.

616
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:45.559
I don't care.

617
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.759
You can tell, you know, he said, yeah, it works

618
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.680
for my clients. And until you can prove to me

619
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:52.400
that I have to do it this way and say

620
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.400
it this way, I'm just going to do it this way,

621
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:55.680
your way, simple way.

622
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:57.799
Yeah, exactly, you cannot do it wrong.

623
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.359
It's and it's having the yeah, because otherwise you're getting

624
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:02.160
stuck on the wrong thing.

625
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:03.640
You're not dealing with the problem.

626
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.799
You're getting stuck on the fact that technique doing the

627
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:06.519
technique wrong.

628
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.720
Fuck that.

629
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:15.599
Sorry, stuff that sorry, because it's just like it's a

630
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:20.319
waste of time, so don't. It's very flexible. When I

631
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.319
teach clients, I teach it in sequence. So I do

632
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.160
teach it in order. That's simply to get used to

633
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.039
the points. Once they know it, we can mix it up.

634
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.480
You mix up the order you do it.

635
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.920
Your body. Freestyle is your body and your intuition. Exactly.

636
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.160
You might feel like I don't like the you know,

637
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.519
I love the tummy, point, the cheek, one point you

638
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:39.240
might not like it.

639
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.119
That's cool. You know, you don't have to spend as

640
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:42.519
much time on that then or skip it.

641
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.319
You don't have to actually get every point for the

642
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.519
technique to work as well.

643
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.920
So if people are out.

644
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.519
There and they learn it and then they're out somewhere

645
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.519
which where they getting anxious about something, if they can

646
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.559
do two or three of the points, they'll get results.

647
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:58.160
They'll get work.

648
00:28:58.160 --> 00:28:59.400
And as I said, you know, I can just do

649
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.759
the collar bone and get some relief from just doing

650
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:03.279
that point.

651
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.319
So play with it, you know, be playful with it.

652
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.200
It's such a flexible, forgiving tool that challenges people though

653
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:09.720
people think they've got a follow step one.

654
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:13.839
Yes, especially for people with anxiety let's face it, who

655
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.079
are a little bit fearful anyway and perfectionist and got

656
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:18.559
to do it the right way. Like that can actually

657
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.160
get in people's way until they become more familiar.

658
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:22.960
I guess I can.

659
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.440
And they're scared sometimes of doing it.

660
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.319
So I'll play with that and we'll do some tapping

661
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.519
on you know, this crazy technique's not going to work,

662
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.240
Like we'll go there because that's partly what they're believing,

663
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.000
Like bring it in that's absolutely fine.

664
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.440
And I think I really love working with men.

665
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.480
And even though this seems like a technique that men

666
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.319
might not attach to, they really love it because it's

667
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.720
something you're doing. You don't have to work out all

668
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.039
the nuances of the emotions and what you're feeling and

669
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:52.720
then get a result. You just start. You just do it.

670
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.480
You know, I remember, I remember this. Oh, he's probably

671
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.359
in his mid twenties, late twenties. Is climb of mine

672
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.599
a long time ago and I and I used to

673
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.839
teach it in like session two or session three because

674
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.720
I didn't want to put people off. But now I

675
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.400
just teach it straight up and go, you know what, like,

676
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.640
I've got to give it to you early because otherwise

677
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.400
I feel like I'm ripping them off. And I said

678
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.839
to him in the first session, I've got to teach

679
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.279
you this thing. It's a little bit unusual. And he goes, oh,

680
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:20.000
it's not something weird and spiritual, is it? And I say,

681
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:21.759
look it, he's weird. It will look weird, but just

682
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.200
try it. Because he was feeling really anxious in his workplace,

683
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:29.279
loved it, lapped it up, and men are often it's

684
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:34.240
an activity that you're doing so it's not yeah, you

685
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.839
don't have to. Women can think of ten thousand reasons

686
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.279
why something might be a certain way, and we like

687
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:39.920
to tick things off.

688
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:42.240
Men don't work that way.

689
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.960
It's just like, Okay, I'm feeling like this, Try this,

690
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.799
and I might feel free and get a better result

691
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.359
at work or on the golf course whatever, or at home, Jackie.

692
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.759
Now that more and more people are hearing about tapping,

693
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:01.279
what I'm finding is that in all sorts of situations, coaches,

694
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:04.720
you know, life's coaches, success coaches, people are teaching like,

695
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.519
achieve your potential, overcome all of your limiting beliefs, your

696
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:09.319
money blocks.

697
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:10.759
Tappings the answer.

698
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.200
As a psychologist, we've talked about the evidence for psychological

699
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.680
struggles that people deal with. What's your take on using

700
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.880
it for all and sundry kind of anything that holds

701
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:22.839
you back in life.

702
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:25.680
It could work at a surface level.

703
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.880
So when coaches are working with people, often it is

704
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.200
at that surface level. However, it can tap into their

705
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.759
deeper crap for one of a better word, like their

706
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.440
deeper beliefs that have lived with them for a very

707
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:36.960
long time.

708
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.599
I think coaching can work like that.

709
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:43.240
And so I have a little bit of a worry

710
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.680
that they don't have the therapeutic training. Like I'm doing

711
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.640
therapy with clients and I'm using tapping as a tool

712
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.039
along with that, and so it's not that tapping is

713
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.759
my therapy with clients. So I think if people are

714
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.559
just aware of their limitations, like the coaches out there,

715
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.559
if they're aware of their limitations and can re recognize

716
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.640
when there's a deeper issue that pops up, it still

717
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.160
would be worthwhile to refer them to a therapist because

718
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:07.799
tapping is not going to be the only thing that

719
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.680
solves them. However, it can work on the behaviors that

720
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.880
might be holding them back and the anxiety. It can

721
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.839
still work on the anxiety. It just might not work

722
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.759
on the core root of that anxiety in the same

723
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.119
way that it can be when you're in that therapy mode.

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So just to tread with caution, you can't be the

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best therapist for every single person or the best coach

726
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for every single person. Don't take it personally if you're

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not getting the results, but refer them on. So I

728
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.000
think it's it's a useful tool for yeah, for surface

729
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:36.480
level things.

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I love using it for the deeper.

731
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Things though, So Jackie in the last twenty years, I

732
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assume you have seen thousands of people and helped them

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with all sorts of issues using tapping. Can you, for

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our listeners, give us a rundown of the types of

735
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things that you have that the types of problems that

736
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.160
you have helped people ever come with tapping?

737
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Yeah, sure thing, I'll wrack my brain.

738
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There's lots so lots of people are scared of flying, flying,

739
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.480
driving phobias and that can relate to bridges or being

740
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stuck in tunnels and things like that.

741
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I've worked with lizard phobias, I've worked with.

742
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General and people come to see me about relationship issues too,

743
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so it's quite It can be quite a connecting tool

744
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to use in relationships once you've dealt with the crap.

745
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Remember, don't go to the happy ending too quickly.

746
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Work deferent a lot of aspects about people's working lives,

747
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and that can relate to dealing with a difficult boss

748
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or perhaps even a fear of lifts, fear of writer's block.

749
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I'm trying to just different clients are popping in my mind.

750
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I don't typically work a lot with children, however, I

751
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will see children to teach them tapping and then refer

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them on to a child psychologist. And the reason I

753
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.240
do that is because children love it. It works really

754
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:48.200
quickly for them. They don't need much and that can

755
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.160
be in relation to anything that's important in a child's world,

756
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.119
quitting smoking, quitting sugar. I mean, really, the possibilities are,

757
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.240
unless we're tapping, you don't have to restrict it to something.

758
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.039
If there's something troubling, you give it a go.

759
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Is amazing. Thank you so much, Jackie. That's been really

760
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valuable information. I really want to know now for people

761
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who want to know more, If they're curious and they

762
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.800
want to get started themselves, where can they go to

763
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:09.639
get some more information?

764
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Okay, fantastic.

765
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If people want to just see how it's done, they

766
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.920
can even access little YouTube clips where people are showing

767
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.039
them how to tap. My website The Friendly Psychologist has

768
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.599
a map of the points. Steve Wells and David Lank,

769
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the guys I referred to who develops set or simplified

770
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.320
energy techniques is www dot eft down under dot com.

771
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They have a list of practitioners in Australia who have

772
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.840
trained with them and done enough hours. So if people

773
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want those resources to access them. We all do Skype

774
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.000
calls as well, so wherever people are they can organize

775
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.360
a Skype appointment or even a phone appointment can work

776
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.960
really well. I've had clients I've never met and I've

777
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.679
taught tapping order over the phone, not even when Skype.

778
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.360
Was big, so it can work like that.

779
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.440
In my upcoming show on Channel seven, The Super Switch,

780
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.280
it'll be shown as a technique that I taught a

781
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.360
couple of their a couple of the cast, and they

782
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.920
took it and ran with it and had beautiful results.

783
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.440
So that was really exciting for me that they took

784
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.199
to it. Fantastic in a public way, fantastic and they

785
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were boys, so.

786
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.199
The great skeptic of all exactly, Jackie Manning. This has

787
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been really, really fabulous. Thank you so much for sharing

788
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.239
that with us. I hope that anybody who might have

789
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.400
started off skeptical is no longer a skeptic and convinced

790
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.599
of some of the benefits that they could potentially be

791
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.360
getting from this technique.

792
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.360
Thank you, Cas.

793
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.800
It's been great to chat about tapping and they can

794
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.079
stay skeptical, just.

795
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Don't be seen in the car.

796
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:38.760
Thank you.

797
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.360
What I love about this conversation is that eft tapping

798
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.920
is something that you can try in your own home.

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If you get results, great, If you don't, nothing lost.

800
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And if you want to find out more about Jackie

801
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.880
and the work that she does, find her at Jackiemanning

802
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dot com dot AU. We love hearing from you, so

803
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if you love this show, please give it a rating

804
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.679
and a review on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts,

805
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.719
or get in touch with me personally hello at castdone

806
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dot com. Also, if you're interested in the Crappy to

807
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.559
Happy book, which I've just released, It's available for order

808
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.679
and the link is in the show notes, or you

809
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.320
can come to my website cast done dot com. In

810
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the next episode, I'm talking to Jamilla Risbee, author and presenter,

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about the confidence deficit and how women can.

812
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Be more confident in the workplace.

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Crappy to Happy is presented by Cast Dunn, produced by

814
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Daves Vilenski, Audio production by Darcy Thompson.

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