The Karma of Success with Liz Tran

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A listener production.

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This is Crappita Happy and I am your host, Cas Stunn.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course, author of the Crappita Happy books. In

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this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent

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people who are experts in their field and who have

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something of value to share that will help you feel

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less crappy and more happy. Liz Tran is an executive

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coach and she is the creator of an executive coaching

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company to CEOs and founders called Reset. Before she launched

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a Reset, Liz spent a decade or more in tech,

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most recently as the only female executive as a top

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venture capital firm. Today, Liz works with the CEOs and

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founders of the fastest growing companies in the world. She

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hosts the Reset with Liz Tran podcast, and she's the

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author of a brand spanking new book called The Karma

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of Success Now. For most of her career, Liz was

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sure that if people knew about her spiritual practices, they

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would never respect her as a business person. She worked

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in a world where numbers and spreadsheets were everything, so

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how could she admit that she believed in scientifically indefensible

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forces like the tarot, or functui or reiki. The point,

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I guess is that we all have aspects of ourselves

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that we cover up or hide because we don't think

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that they fit into the stereotypical picture of success or

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what a particular profession should look like. And we think

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that we're improving our chances, but in reality we're actually

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doing the opposite. So in this conversation, which obviously I loved,

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Liz and I discuss why sometimes the logical thing to

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do doesn't make you happy, and while listening to your

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inner voice can propel you to the life that you

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envision for yourself when you stop worrying about external markers

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of success, how you can optimize your energy field so

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that you function at your best in mind, body, and soul,

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and why some founders succeed past the seed stage and

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why others don't. Based on what Liz has discovered working

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with many many of the most successful founders in the world,

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Liz and I go along like a house on fire.

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We were chatting for about ten minutes before we remember

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to press the record button, and I hope that you

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enjoy Liz and her wonderful energy and her wisdom as

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much as I did. Here's my conversation with Liz Liz Tran.

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Welcome to the Crappy to Happy Podcast.

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Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to talk

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to you.

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I have just finished reading your brand new book, and congratulations.

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It is called The Karma of Success. It is so

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up my alley, and we're about to talk all about that.

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But I really enjoyed it. So well done. You've done

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a great job.

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Thank you. Thanks for having me here, and thank you

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for reading the book.

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You are so welcome.

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But let's talk about the book because one thing I

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think is really interesting is that you describe in the

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book the fact that you were six months into writing

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it when you basically just practically threw it all the

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way and started again. Tell me about that.

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Yes, so I am someone who works very diligently towards

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a problem, and I think it's great because it gives

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me a lot of staying power. But it's also not

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so great when something isn't clicking right. And it felt

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like I was putting all this work in and I

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don't know if you had the experience of working on something,

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but it feels like you're driving a car with a

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parking brake on. You know, you're pressing the gas. You

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just can't get anywhere. It's so frustrating.

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I know that feeling, and so.

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I kept going instead of, you know, evaluating. And then

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one night, it was about six weeks before my book

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was due with my publisher, and I went out to

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the desert in California with some friends who were all

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so writing books at similar times, and I finally had

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some quiet and some space away from New York City

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and away from work. I was also working full time

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as I was writing the book, and in that stillness

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late at night, I had this thought, you know, this

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isn't working because the foundation is wrong. I'm trying to

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build a house on a shaky foundation, and that's why

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I keep stacking up these pieces. I keep writing and

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writing and writing these chapters, but none of it is

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actually holding together. And in this like late night delirium,

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I was sober, but it was just late at night,

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and I thought, I have to change the whole thesis

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of the book. And even though I've promised my publisher

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one book, I can't write this book and it's not working.

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It's not what I want to say. It's not what

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I really believe and I think needs to be put

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into the world. And then within two hours of having

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this thought, I had outlined the whole new book that

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I was writing, and the flow happened, this really elusive

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flow that I'd been chasing for six months, and in

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the next six weeks I wrote ninety five percent of

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the book. I turned the book in on time. I mean,

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it was a wild period. I didn't have internet at

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my house at that point because I just moved in

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and we were doing major renovation. We're out in the

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country and without internet, kind of working at a coworking space,

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working out of a tent. I got the book done

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and it all happened because I had that one moment

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of quiet where I could admit, you know, Liz, this

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isn't very good. And I think actually a lot of

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my career has been made in those moments where I

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can admit that something needs to change. I can be

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a little stubborn in that way, but when I finally see, hey,

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you know what, this isn't working, it really has always

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freed me up to do something that is better for

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me and therefore is able to flow.

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I love that story because it is the premise of

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the entire book is about that very experience, or that

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or that kind of experience being able to let go

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of all of that external pressure and expectation and kind

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of tap into what you know in your heart, like

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what you really kind of know to be true that

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in a genius that you talk about in the book.

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I'm assuming that at some stage the book proposal that

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you had presented and the title and the thesis of it,

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like you, you must have been into that at some

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point did something change.

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Along the way or how? How what was that about?

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That's a great question, And the book originally came from

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the work that I do so day to day. I

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coach founders and CEOs of tech companies that are growing,

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and so usually I start with them when they're maybe

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a handful of employees and they've raised a couple million dollars,

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and then we worked together through many years. Most of

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my clients have been with me for two or three years,

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and at that point they've have up to you know,

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hundreds of employees and have raised tens of millions of dollars.

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And it's fun because I just see their evolution and

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so the book I was writing was about this kind

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concept of entrepreneurship but through a spiritual lens. So what

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lessons from Buddhism, the now astrology can we take and

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apply towards entrepreneurship. And as I was writing the book,

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it felt so prescriptive, like do this, do that, and

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I felt that that wasn't true because every client of

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mine has a unique path and a journey that they take.

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And I really started to recognize that my job as

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a coach is not as much to tell them what

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to do. You know, people think, oh, you must know

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so much about you know, technology, or you must be

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so good at giving advice, and it's actually not that.

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I actually don't know if I'm great at giving advice,

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but I am good at asking a lot of questions

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and helping them to arrive there themselves. And I thought,

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you know what, that's what I want to do with

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this book is I want to write this book as

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if I'm in a coaching session with the reader, where

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I'm asking them a lot of questions about themselves, asking

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them to look inward at who they are, see all

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the amazing strengths and gifts that they have, and along

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the way, start to trust their own intuition again, because

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I think so many of us feel this pressure to

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live up to our peers do better at the thing

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that other people are doing. You know, we say, okay,

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how can we study what all the best did and

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do those things? Yes, And while that information is useful,

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it discounts the fact that sometimes it's our own unique

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choices that come from you know, very little data, very

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little information quote unquote, that really come from intuition that

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are so strong. It's like, you know, the feeling of

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like I've got to move to a new study, or

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you know, I have to start this podcast. You know,

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those aren't things that you can find in data.

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That is so true and I think I've talked about

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that on this podcast recently. Actually, like just your gut,

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just if you can tap into that in a knowing

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it really it will never see you wrong. But it

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is so hard for a lot of people to connect

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with that, and I know in my work that I

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do too. And generally speaking, people are so in their

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own heads and so in the intellectual thinking mind and

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pros and cons and spreadsheets and all of that left

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brain logical kind of decision making processes and it's not enough.

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And you have a great quote in the book. I

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don't know if it's your quote or somebody else's, but

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it's something to do with and you can correct me,

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but spending as much time in your internal world as

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your external world, and I thought that was profound. Can

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you talk about that? How does somebody do that?

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Yes, definitely, I love that quote too. It's from Aviva

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Ram who is a friend of mine and she's also

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an entrepreneur. She's a doctor and a midwife and she

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also runs these amazing training programs for doctors on how

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to have more sort of holistic care. So she's a

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women's health expert and she's just incredible. And what it

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means is, basically, you know, we have a lot of

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opportunity to look outward, right, especially with social media and

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especially you know, seeing what our friends are up to

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on Facebook and Instagram all the time, just content from

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other people. The outside world is anything where we're interacting

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with others. So it could be you know, grocery shopping,

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it could be you know, going to work every day

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and seeing your peers so left unattended. The outside world

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could be everything, right, it can be. It can take

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up one hundred percent of your time except when you're sleeping.

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go for a walk by yourself, or you sit down

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and meditate, or even if you're cooking a meal and

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you allow yourself to just be really present to the meal.

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Could be reading a book, it could be journaling, could

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be just having a cup of tea or petting your cat.

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allow yourself the space to think and just be with yourself,

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and those are when the moments of intuition pop in.

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And so many of the greatest thinkers of our time

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have really relied on that intuition, from scientists like Einstein

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to artists like Georgia O'Keeffe. And while they exercise getting

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really good at their craft externally, you know, practicing doing

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what they're doing, they also made space for the internal.

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is that Einstein would really purposely get himself into that

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space of the internal world, where he would do that

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through napping and he would sit in his rock chair.

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I've gotten really into sleeping after reading this too, and

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he would rock himself to sleep and he would think

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about whatever problem he wasn't able to solve in his

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waking life, and he would hold some metal spoons in

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his hands, and then when he would fall asleep, they

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would drop onto a plate below him, and the clanging

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noise would wake him up. But he would have had

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that spark of intuition from sleeping very briefly, and he'd

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wake up just in time to remember it and write

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it down. He also took really long walks, he played

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musical instruments, and so it's all this time where your

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mind can become like a still pond and it's quiet,

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you can hear what comes in because most of the

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time it's there that voice. Have you ever had kind

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of a little bit of an intuition like oh, you

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have to call this person or do this, and we

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don't often hear it until we slow down, we're like, Okay,

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now we have the time and space to do it.

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And so it could be that it's even just thirty

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minutes a day. You know, it doesn't have to be

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exactly as much time in the external as internal. But

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I think it's a nice goal to dry for and

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for me personally, I just hold myself to thirty minutes

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a day, and sometimes that's really hard, but at a minimum,

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it's great because it kind of compels you to keep

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going for longer.

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And when you say thirty minutes a day, are you

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talking about proper like metaation or just those various moments

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very short meditation, maybe five to ten minutes, and then

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what I'm grateful for, what I'm grateful for, myself, my

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self gratitude, and then I reread whatever vision I'm trying

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to manifest currently in my life, and then I kind

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of just give myself the rest of the space to

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think and you know, whatever comes in. For me, I

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love writing my journal, so it's a written practice for me.

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it and letting more your thoughts come out while you're

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reading it, and so I think it's whatever brings enjoyment

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to you. It shouldn't feel like punishment. You shouldn't feel like, oh,

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I have to sit in a room by myself. You

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should feel like, oh, finally get this time for myself.

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every day. It's interesting that you said part of your

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journaling practice is whatever it is that you're manifesting or

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visualizing in your life. Can I just say, and I

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know this sounds really out there to some people, but

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I can't tell you the miracles that happen in my life,

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the things that I just write in my journal and

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out of nowhere, they come to fruition. It's got to

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the point where I was just like anytime there was

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something I was like struggling with or anxious about or

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worried about, I would just Okay.

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but it works like it would be literally I would

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close up the journal and then the phone would ring

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and I'd get the phone call that I had been

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like stressing about and waiting days for. So anyway, that's

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just a little DIGRESSI it's amazing.

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little things and also bigger goals?

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don't turn up immediately. But I've got a pretty strong

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track record of you know, things happening in my life

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having visualized and journaled about them.

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when we start to be able to see it in

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our mind's eye that we start to know that we

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can do it. So I love thinking about all the

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professional athletes who do this. So Michael Phelps, he visualizes

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every race in his mind, like he literally goes step

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by step through taking his headphones off, taking off his robe,

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walking onto the deck, jumping into the pool, stroke by

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stroke by stroke until he wins the race. And so

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when he shows up on race day, he's already won

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it in his mind one hundred times, and then he

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feels easeful. And I think, the things that we want,

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we have to ask for them. You know, and we

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have to believe that we're worthy. And so I think

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you writing in your journal, you know, one science of

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it is that you know you can see it, and

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therefore like it happens because you believe that it is possible.

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you're running a marathon and you think I can't do this,

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you're actually never going to finish. And so you're saying

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to yourself, Cas, this is going to happen for you,

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and so subconsciously you start making all the right decisions

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and choices to back that up. And then from a

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spiritual standpoint, because I always like to compare this, you know,

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the science and the spiritual. The universe can't give you

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what you want unless you ask for it. And you're

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doing that and it's like, oh, Cass, this is what

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you want.

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Hello here exactly And I have, you know, the same

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spiritual beliefs that you do. And I sometimes have to

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remind myself, Oh that's right. I have to ask, like

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you know when you because it's the most basic thing,

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but we forget to do it.

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Oh no, that's right.

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I can.

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I can create what I want in my life but

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I do have to ask if I want some energetic support,

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some help from the universe, because we just forget.

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that people get from this episode is please ask for

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what you want and you'll probably get it. I mean,

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you will get it at some point. And I think

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a lot of the times, especially you know, for women,

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sometimes we're conditioned to not feel like we can ask

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for it, or maybe that we already have enough. Yeah,

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we should be grateful, like, oh well, like my life

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is already fine. Who am I to want more? That

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feels too much? You know, why should I want even more?

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the thing that you are aiming for, it comes from

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your intuition. It's not a selfish thing. There's a reason why,

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and it's the reason is that whatever that thing you

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want needs to come into this world. You know, all

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the greatest pieces of art science, you know, movements for

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people activism that come from this feeling of wanting the

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world to be slightly different than it is. And so

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I want to encourage everyone who's listening to just be

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very egregious and a little bit selfish about saying yes,

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this is what I want because it's going to help

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other people along the way too.

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I put out that I want it will be very

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different from what somebody else does. So even just that

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thought that pops into my mind, But what might be

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nice in my life is that's tapping into my own

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intuition too, because it's going to be different for me

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to what it is for somebody else. So it's all

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that kind of inner genius stuff, isn't it's just connecting

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with who you read.

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Are Absolutely you talked at.

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The beginning about the book about and it is still

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very much about, you know, spiritual ideas, and you work

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with founders and entrepreneurs.

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How receptive is that group?

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I mean, I guess people know you by now, they

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know what you're about. But how well received are those

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kind of ideas that have typically been considered to be

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a bit out there, bit not mainstream wu WU kind

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of stuff. How well is it received by the people

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that you work with.

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I started becoming a coach, I worked in tech for

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a long time and then I worked in venture capital,

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and I was really shy and reticent about sharing what

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I believed in because you know, it's a really I mean,

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it's finance. It's an industry that's dominated by data and numbers.

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anyone knows that I believe in astrology and crystals and

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energy healing, then they're not going to take me seriously.

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though they were really helping me in my life. I mean,

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you know this, but the power of astrology is incredible,

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and I would use it to pick, you know, the

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best days to launch projects. And I got really into

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hypnotherapy and I had this great hypnotherapist and it made

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me this amazing, confident public speaker. And everyone was like,

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what is how are you so good at public speaking?

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my hypnotherapist who's also my astrologer. But you know, I

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held those things back. And it was only when I

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started coaching my own clients and I started to develop

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these deeper relationships with them that I started sharing more.

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were really interested, and they actually, even if they weren't

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you know, quote unquote spiritual themselves, they had a curiosity

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about it. Because I think a lot of what we're

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talking about here, even if if you don't put a

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spiritual name on it, we've all had these experiences in

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our lives, right, So I think everyone who's listening probably

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has the experience of asking for something, maybe writing in

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their journal or even telling someone, and then somehow it

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pops up the next day, right, And so I think

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that's like a very human experience as part of the

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laws of the way things work in the world. And

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so the way I operate is generally about I would

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say like seventy five percent of the session is very

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business oriented. So we might be you know, reviewing a

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board deck, or we might be looking at like a

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P and L statement, or we might be thinking about

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how to have difficult conversations with certain employees of the company.

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people go, We're going to put these people on a

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performance improvement plan. And then the twenty five percent of

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it is the spiritual aspect, and that is actually the foundation,

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and so I might we might be talking about something

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like letting a group of employees go, but I'll remind

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them about something that comes from spirituality for me that

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is helpful for them. So, as an example, one of

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my clients has been really struggling with one of her investors,

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and her investor gives her a hard time, constantly makes

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her feel horrible about who she is as a CEO,

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makes her feel really bad about running the business. And

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you know, I said, think about this quote by Pemachodrin,

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who's a Buddhist nun, and she says, nothing goes away

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until it teaches us what we need to know. So

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what is your lesson here that you haven't been learning?

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She said, the lesson is that I need to be

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not a people pleaser. I need to be confident in myself.

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haven't done that. I've tried every which way to make

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this person happy. Hasn't worked for the past three board meetings.

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And then she went into the next board meeting and

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she just stood up for herself and she depersonalized this

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person's critique of her, and in that board meeting, finally said,

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you're doing such a great job running this company. You're

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one of our best run companies. Thank you for doing this.

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this person had been going through their own journey that

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was impacting the way that she was being treated, and

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she said, Liz, you're right, Like that was my lesson.

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I had to learn so little things like that. I'll

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weave into you know, for us food for thought. I'll

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drop in a story a zen parable a concept from Buddhism. Luckily,

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and you know this probably very well. Luckily, there's always

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a kind of a correlating psychology term to a Buddhist term,

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and so and so saying like, hey, you know you

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have you know, you're wrestling with like attachment right like

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a Buddhist term. I'll be like, hey, you know, in psychology,

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there's this understanding of loss of version. This is what's happening.

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And so sometimes it's easier to find that translation and

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it resonates more with them, and other times I'll just

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go straight for the spiritual and be like, this is

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what you need right now.

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really open about the fact that the Buddhists have got

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it all sorted. They always have, like all the fundamental

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principles of Buddhist philosophy, the principles we should all be

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living our life by, because it just makes sense, I mean,

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And then you know, you have all of these psychological models. Now,

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like I just did an episode on various approaches to therapy.

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I'm talking about act acceptance and commitment therapy.

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It's essentially Buddhism just wrapped up in psychological to me,

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that's the fact.

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of the two arrows. So the first arrow is unavoidable,

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it's something that bad that happens to you, it's disappointment, grief, whatever, pain,

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shoot a second arrow into the same spot. And that's

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the resistance, right, that's being like, why me, why did

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this happen to me? This is my fault? Did I

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do this to myself? You know, we cause an additional

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heap of paining suffering on top of that initial and

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avoidable pain and suffering. And then you know, I sometimes

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try to say this to my clients where you know, obviously,

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life is ten thousand joys and ten thousand sorrows, and

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so I try to say, hey, don't make it worse.

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of the two earros, or I might say, hey, you

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know the formula, which is that pain is pain times

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00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.240
resistance equal suffering, And so you can have pain, but

485
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.359
if there's no resistance, suffering is very little. But if

486
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:33.119
you have the pain and you amp it up with

487
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.640
your resistance, the suffering is going to be really strong.

488
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.200
And so I find that it's actually kind of helpful

489
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.519
to share both with them sometimes and let them see

490
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.119
that it exists in both frameworks.

491
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.359
Yeah, I love that I use all of those same

492
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.759
metaphors in all of the work that I do as well,

493
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.680
And I think it's great that you bring it in

494
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.359
because I think also, I mean, I guess I think

495
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.880
of a lot of people in you know, high pressure

496
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:02.000
corporate environments, whether it's finance or you know, whether they're

497
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.319
founder or whether they're working for somebody else, they will

498
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:06.839
often they've got this kind of professional life a little

499
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.559
bit like what you were describing, But then they might

500
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.119
go off for a weekend retreat.

501
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.240
They might go off and have this kind.

502
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:17.279
Of yoga break to destress, but there's this separation in

503
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.400
people like I can do that on my own time.

504
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.920
I can go off and I can have a massage

505
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.640
or a reiki session or something, but you know, when

506
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.839
I come back to work, it's this is work. And

507
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.799
I think opening people up to the idea that these

508
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.720
things can coexist, like these they don't have to be separate.

509
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.920
And that's essentially what you're saying, right like, this is

510
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.200
all part of who you are, You bring it all,

511
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.759
and that you're no longer trying to separate this aspect51200:26:44.920 --> 00:26:46.680



of yourself from that.51300:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.680



Yes, and I agree with you that that separation is51400:26:50.720 --> 00:26:54.400



so intense, and so sometimes it takes months or years51500:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.640



of working with someone where I don't tell them we're51600:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.160



actively working on it, but I kind of just play51700:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.839



it back for them. I say, oh, wow, look, did51800:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.920



you notice how much more effective you were at work51900:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.039



this week after having gone on that yoga retreat or52000:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.440



had that RESTful weekend, And just kind of sort of52100:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.680



setting a mental image for them and making that connection52200:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.759



and just saying, oh wow, great job you did that.52300:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.279



Did you notice how that connected together? And you know,52400:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.759



I think at the end of the day, our lives52500:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.920



are just so interconnected, especially after the pandemic, where everyone's52600:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.400



just started working from home, right, and it's sort of52700:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.680



like where's the line, Where does it blur anymore? And52800:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.599



this idea of work life balance, I think is actually52900:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.720



like a little outdated, right, and it's kind of more53000:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.039



just just take care of yourself, you know, like that53100:27:41.079 --> 00:27:43.319



actually is the priority. Let's not try to balance it.53200:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.359



Take care of you as a foundation, and everything else53300:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.240



will fall into place after that, Which.53400:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.720



Brings me to self care.53500:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.720



You talk about self care is not just caring for53600:27:53.759 --> 00:27:58.200



your physical body or even your emotional well being, but53700:27:58.359 --> 00:28:03.039



tending to your soul. So describe that for me. How53800:28:03.039 --> 00:28:05.000



does one go about tending to this soul?53900:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.279



Yes, so, I think the first part of tending to54000:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.960



your soul is to realize that you have a soul.54100:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.839



Good study and then you have a really beautiful soul.54200:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.480



And you know, we kind of walk through lives with54300:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.319



these to do lists and this never ending email box54400:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.759



that we have to tend to and a list of54500:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.440



dry cleaning, grocery shopping. It gets busy and it feels54600:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.640



kind of like a drag sometimes where you're just literally54700:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.480



checking through all your responsibilities and to zoom out first54800:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.920



and to remember that we have these very beautiful and54900:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.160



precious human existences. It is such an honor to be55000:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.359



born as a human. In the theory of karma, so55100:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.519



the Buddhists believe that we are all reincarnated. We have55200:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.279



the same soul that persists, but then we're reincarnated into55300:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.279



a new form. And they say, to have this birth55400:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.279



as a human, you've got to have done a lot55500:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.559



of good things in your life, you know, your previous55600:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.079



lives to be here now as a human. And it's55700:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.319



cool because like, we're the only animals out there who55800:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.319



dream and plan for the future and who push ourselves55900:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.200



to evolve consciously. Of course other animals are doing it,56000:29:17.319 --> 00:29:21.400



you know, automatically, but we're the ones who think, okay, like,56100:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.519



what are we building here? How do we work together?56200:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.160



Like we're intentional about it. And so we have this56300:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.000



opportunity to do some amazing things, whether on a big,56400:29:29.319 --> 00:29:34.000



big scale or a small scale. So I think first pausing, thinking, wow,56500:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.720



I'm a person that happens to live right now in56600:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.400



a time where I've got actually a lot of freedom56700:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.960



and a lot of potential. I think about this all56800:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.599



the time, where if I had been born just even56900:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.359



forty years earlier, I'd have a very different life in Vietnam,57000:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.160



where you know, the country would have been you know,57100:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.680



just recovering from the war, or at any period of57200:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.519



time earlier, I would have been born without a lot57300:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.799



of rights as a woman. And now I get to57400:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.119



live in the US, and I got to go to college,57500:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.319



and I got to like you know, and now I57600:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.480



get to run in my own business. And that's not57700:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.480



necessarily true for lots and lots of people. And so57800:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.440



I think first just thinking, yeah, we have all these57900:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.079



responsibilities that are bogging us down, but how beautiful, how58000:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.839



beautiful that we're here right now. How beautiful that you58100:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.160



and I are sitting here, Kaz and we get to58200:30:20.160 --> 00:30:23.759



have this conversation like as work and get to talk58300:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.119



to each other real fun and get to you know,58400:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.599



connect with all these people who listen to your podcasts,58500:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.240



and you have this podcast that has technology where you58600:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.240



can reach all these people. So I think the first58700:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.640



thing is just sitting in the awe and the wonder58800:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.519



of your life, where it's like, gosh, we get to58900:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.400



drive cars, we go to the beach, you know, all59000:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.799



these little things, and so that's first where you start,59100:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.920



and you remember, I'm in this beautiful soul, I have59200:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.759



this beautiful human existence. And then the self care aspect59300:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.160



of that comes from. If I have this one, very59400:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.640



very precious life, how do I make sure that I'm59500:30:57.839 --> 00:31:02.599



really experiencing it to the full. And for my clients,59600:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.279



I often look at them and they are these people59700:31:05.359 --> 00:31:10.440



who have worked really hard and also sacrificed a lot59800:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.680



to have this amazing position where they can build these59900:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.960



companies with tens of millions of dollars of funding. It's60000:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.039



very rare, you know, to raise that amount of money,60100:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.240



especially at a young age. But a lot of my60200:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.039



clients are between I would say twenty six and forty.60300:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.119



So they're building these tech companies. They're very privileged, yet60400:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.440



they don't make time to eat lunch. They get on60500:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.160



a call with me and they say, oh, my gosh,60600:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.200



I haven't gone to the bathroom all day. Do you60700:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.839



mind if I just go to the bathroom. They're like,60800:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.240



I'm so hungry, I haven't eaten anything. And look at60900:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.559



my watch and it's five o'clock where they are, and61000:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.079



they're running themselves into the ground, because they're forgetting that61100:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.519



life just isn't about checking things off the to do lists.61200:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.319



It's also about caring for this beautiful, precious nature that61300:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.960



we have. And the way that they phrase it in61400:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.920



the idea of Chinese medicine is that our bodies are61500:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.480



actually three treasures and we have to take care of61600:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.440



all three of those treasures. The first one is jing,61700:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.559



which is like, you know, actually the physical body. It's like,61800:32:12.680 --> 00:32:14.799



are you caring for your body? Are you giving it61900:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.119



the right food, the right rest? You know, like do62000:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.480



you just feel really nourished? And that's the first thing62100:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.599



that actually a lot of my clients could do better, right.62200:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.559



And then the second treasure that you have is about62300:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.000



your chi, which is like your energy, So is your62400:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.880



energy flowing And that's why doing things like yoga and62500:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.039



reiki or spending time with nature they can get your62600:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.839



energy moving. I think we all have that experience where62700:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.200



even if we feel fine physically, we're like, eh, my62800:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.319



energy is just low to day, or like my energy62900:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.039



is off, so it's just kind of recalibrating your energy.63000:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.680



And then the final treasure is your shen, which is63100:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.119



basically your connection to your intuition. It's the way that63200:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.559



you shine and your brilliance. And I think that we63300:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.000



sleep on that a little bit, right, We like don't63400:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.759



let ourselves have that intuition come through, or we hear63500:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.200



something intuitively and we ignore it, and then the more63600:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.480



we ignore it, the more it goes away. You know,63700:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.079



have you ever had that moment where you're like, I63800:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.240



think I should call my mom or you're like I63900:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.079



don't want to, I'm not going to do it, Or64000:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.720



we think I should call my son whoever it is64100:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.680



a close family member, and then you call them and64200:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.200



they were going through something. And so those moments of64300:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.720



shan are always trying to pop into our minds and64400:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.200



they want to be heard. And so when I think64500:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.839



about self care, it's so much more than making a64600:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.000



night to have a bath or getting yourself on a64700:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.440



run or to a yoga class. It's more of this64800:33:38.079 --> 00:33:44.200



reverence and this pride in being these really beautiful, remarkable creatures.64900:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.880



Like we have our human bodies and we're so hard65000:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.640



on them where we think, oh, I got to lose weight,65100:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.759



you know, I need to be stronger, my body is65200:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.240



failing me, when really it's just like, wow, I'm here,65300:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.799



I'm human, Like, how can I just worship this ex65400:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.279



experiences that I'm having right now?65500:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.720



Yeah, I love that. I hope that you're enjoying this65600:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.199



conversation and realizing the benefits of positivity in your own life.65700:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.519



If you are enjoying the show, please be sure to65800:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.960



like and subscribe so that you get notified when you65900:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.639



EPs drop and head on over to Apple Podcasts or66000:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.000



wherever you listen and leave us a rating and review.66100:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.679



I should say, like, for a book that you just66200:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.519



came up with in the middle of the night and66300:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.320



outline in the middle of the night and then wrote66400:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.880



it in six weeks, it's so beautifully laid out. It's66500:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.320



just so neatly ordered into these little sections and headings66600:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.480



and beautiful diagrams. It's like, it's did you feel like66700:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.320



it kind of just I though this sounds really weir66800:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.800



weird as well, It just came through you, like you know,66900:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.320



it just feels like it was inspired for by something greater.67000:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.440



And that's my disrespect to you because you wrote it67100:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.000



and it's all based on your own life experience and67200:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.840



your knowledge, but the fact that you were able to67300:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.400



just like kind of document all of that in such67400:35:04.400 --> 00:35:05.400



a short space of time.67500:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.880



I am really impressed by Thank you.67600:35:08.280 --> 00:35:13.760



Yeah, I one hundred percent believe that it was flowing from,67700:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.599



you know, a source outside of me, and it came67800:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.760



so easily that it was actually a little disturbing because67900:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.000



I'm used to like, I'm like a person who's like,68000:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.599



let's grind, you know, Like I worked in tech for68100:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.760



so long, and I was working these crazy hours for68200:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.119



most of my career, where I'd be in the office68300:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.800



by eight and I'd sometimes be there till ten or68400:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.639



eleven with my colleagues, you know, we'd be working really68500:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.519



late at night. Especially when I worked in venture capital.68600:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.880



It was always on it was always on culture. And68700:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.119



now I felt like I had to retrain myself to68800:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.280



realize that suffering doesn't equate to success. And so the68900:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.760



book just came so easily that when I sent it69000:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.760



to my editor, I was a little bit like, I69100:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.920



love this book, but is it really bad? It could69200:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.679



possibly be really bad because it felt like too easy69300:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.519



or something. And then my editor read it, and I69400:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.280



was nervously waiting for her to reply back, and then69500:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.679



she wrote back, this is one of the best manuscripts69600:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.679



I've ever read from a first time author. I felt69700:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.199



this huge sense of relief, and it was like this69800:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.840



lesson that the harder you suffer for your work doesn't69900:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.960



mean that you're going to be more successful. It's actually70000:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.039



the opposite. The more you can have ease and joy70100:36:26.119 --> 00:36:27.960



and happiness around it. I mean, I was having a70200:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.320



great time when I was writing. I was like, this70300:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.199



is so much fun. I couldn't wait to sit down70400:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.239



and write it. And I actually think, you know, that70500:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.760



is accessible to all of us. Like do you ever70600:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.119



have that experience with the work that you do where70700:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.800



you're like, hey, like I don't know how I know this,70800:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.639



but like I got to have this person on my podcast,70900:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.239



or like I know what I'm going to talk about.71000:36:46.280 --> 00:36:47.400



You're like, oh, I know, I'm going to do this71100:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.199



this segment on the different types of therapy out there,71200:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.800



you know, and like you just that information. You could71300:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.119



spend five hours trying to think about your next podcast topic,71400:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.719



or it could just flow through you. I don't know71500:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.239



what do you think? Yeah?71600:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.760



No, I totally agree.71700:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.119



And when you said at the beginning, do you ever71800:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.199



feel like it's like you're just driving with the break on?71900:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.159



Like I I when I feel like that, I know,72000:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.559



I just need to take a break and step back,72100:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.320



because it's in it's when I give myself the space.72200:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.519



And that's something.72300:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.679



That I have had to really am constantly working on72400:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.199



dismantling is that idea that you just said, like that72500:37:25.880 --> 00:37:27.360



it's got to be hard or you've got to if72600:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.360



you're not doing anything, you're just being lazy and unproductive.72700:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.679



Because I find I can be the most inspired and72800:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.639



productive and get more done when I give myself a break,72900:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.760



when I'm not just working hard all the time.73000:37:41.000 --> 00:37:41.719



But there's a lot of.73100:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.480



Conditioning there that that you've got to be working hard73200:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.440



all the time if you want any kind of success.73300:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.639



There's so much conditioning around that. And you know, you73400:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.639



hear that narrative in like self help books even and73500:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.639



the especially business books, where you know they show these73600:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.679



role models of people who were just like you know,73700:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.360



ignore or with their family, you know, worked all the time.73800:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.480



I think about Steve Jobs. People really revere him, and73900:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.039



he wasn't the nicest person. He was actually like quite74000:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.320



mean to his family and quite mean to his employees.74100:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.280



And so that was another thing I wanted to do74200:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.639



in the book was to showcase people who have found74300:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.960



a lot of success in their careers, but they've done74400:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.480



it in their own way, through their own path, and74500:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.360



done it without having to torture themselves in the process,74600:38:27.960 --> 00:38:29.880



and all of that is accessible to us. And that74700:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.039



was my whole thing. You know. I published this book74800:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.599



with Portfolio, which is an imprint of Penguin Random House74900:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.840



and they do business books. They write books for ambitious people.75000:38:40.039 --> 00:38:43.239



And originally my agent was like, do we put this75100:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.119



book with the spirituality section, you know, do we try75200:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.039



to go with a publisher who does spiritual New Age75300:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.880



books or do we do it with a business publisher.75400:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.559



And I felt really strongly, let's go business because I75500:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.639



want people to know that all of these like spiritual75600:38:57.760 --> 00:39:02.039



woo wu concepts, these will unequivocally help their career. And75700:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.800



I was like, we have to go business. We have75800:39:03.880 --> 00:39:04.519



to go business.75900:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.000



Yeah, I'm glad that you went business. Well, you talk76000:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.760



about cleansing and protecting your energy and kind of amplifying76100:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.440



your energy. Can we talk about that because I think76200:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.760



that's really important and really helpful for just everybody.76300:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.960



Yeah, definitely. The first thing I'll say is that we76400:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.360



all have energy around us, and think about how sometimes76500:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.800



you can feel another person's energy where You can walk76600:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.199



in and see a friend and before they even say anything,76700:39:37.039 --> 00:39:38.800



you feel if they're happy or not, or you feel76800:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.840



if they're having a hard time. They're like, oh, I76900:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.239



know exactly what's going to happen here. Or maybe you77000:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.440



walk into a meeting with some colleagues and without even77100:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.760



seeing their faces, you know, you walk into the room77200:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.199



and you're like, Okay, I know what I'm in for today.77300:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.639



You know, it's really palpable, and you know, we give77400:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.199



it off all the time, like we can't see energy,77500:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.039



but we can feel it. And I think it's why77600:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.719



we say things very colloquially in our language like oh,77700:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.280



she's got such a great vibe right, or like you77800:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.480



have to go visit this place, Like the energy is77900:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.480



just so good and so we may not be able78000:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.239



to consciously identify it, but we really feel it in78100:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.360



the same way that like, you know, we smell something78200:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.400



in the air. And so that's what I want to say,78300:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.920



is like, first trust, trust that you can feel the78400:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.400



energy around you, and so knowing that years exist and78500:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.880



it's there, it's so powerful. And essentially every ancient tradition78600:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.400



there was some sort of framework for understanding the energy78700:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.880



body and in you know, traditional Hindu tradition, it's the chakras,78800:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.360



where we have these seven chakras that are run along78900:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.599



the spinal column that we can't see, but they all79000:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.480



impact different parts of us. So if you go to yoga,79100:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.920



you've probably heard about the shark, the heart chakra, and79200:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.119



the crown chakra, and those you know connect heart chakra79300:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.360



connects to you know, you're feeling connection with others. The79400:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.760



crown chakra connects to you know, your downloads and your intuition,79500:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.159



and so really everyone's been talking about energy since the79600:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.599



beginning of humankind, except for us in this medical western79700:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.400



world that we live in. It's like, hey, you go79800:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.599



the doctor and they're just like okay, like what's wrong79900:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.920



with you? But then you go the acupuncturist and she80000:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.079



really feels for your energy and she might say, okay,80100:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.360



you have a blockage here. So I'm a huge believer80200:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.719



in energy, and this is just like a little bit80300:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.880



of an aside. I tried to get pregnant for many,80400:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.639



many years and went to all the best doctors in80500:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.800



New York and did lots and lots of fertility treatments,80600:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.079



and everyone was like, I don't know why you can't80700:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.320



get pregnant, like you have lots of eggs, your husband's80800:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.920



sperm is fine. This is very weird, but like, just80900:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.079



do IVF. They didn't ask too many questions. They're like,81000:41:43.079 --> 00:41:44.880



we don't really we did the test, we don't know.81100:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.000



Just go straight into IVF. And so I did three81200:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.559



rounds of IVF. It wasn't successful until I started working81300:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.679



in my energy and I went religiously to my acupuncturist81400:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.599



and she really worked on unblocking a lot of channels.81500:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.360



And once we did that for like three months, I81600:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.039



got pregnant. So it was kind of amazing. And so81700:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.679



I really am someone who was skeptical at first, but81800:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.639



I really feel it in my own life. And so81900:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.320



we all have these energy bodies that we need to82000:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.400



take care of, and just like the physical body, we82100:42:16.519 --> 00:42:18.480



have to take care of it. We have to cleanse82200:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.480



it in the same way that we take a shower,82300:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.039



because the energy actually picks up everything around us. So82400:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.440



if you've ever gone to see, you know, a really82500:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.880



sad movie, it's hard to shake it off, or you're82600:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.559



with a friend who is just really down in the dumps,82700:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.559



and then afterwards you feel it on you for a82800:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.320



really long time think about how we accumulate that all82900:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.280



the time around us, especially if we live in cities83000:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.639



where you're constantly in other people's energy, and so every83100:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.360



once in a while you need to just kind of83200:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.079



squeeze and rinse it all out, like the same way83300:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.960



that you're squeezing a sponge, and then get back to83400:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.039



your own energy again so that your own energy can shine.83500:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.119



And Cass, I feel like you are a really empathetic person,83600:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.159



especially with your libra rising, where you're like, I can83700:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.599



fit in anywhere. And part of that is also your83800:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.880



energy is sort of harmonizing with theirs, with other people's energy,83900:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.960



and that can actually be a lot right because paths84000:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.239



empaths are people who have a very kind of deep84100:43:18.360 --> 00:43:22.920



energetic connection with other people. They especially absorb other people's energy,84200:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.440



and so to get back to your own you just84300:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.639



need to cleanse it out. And for the way I84400:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.760



think about that is you need to move your body,84500:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.280



You need to rest, like which is sleep where you know,84600:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.159



just taking some downtime, and then you need to be84700:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.440



in nature. And because nature is like a very you know,84800:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.519



nature cleanses our oxygen and so it cleanses our energy.84900:43:43.559 --> 00:43:48.079



Bodies too, So that's the cleansing portion of it. The85000:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.440



second piece is protecting your energy. So it's kind of85100:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.320



just putting up a boundary around the type of energy85200:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.320



you don't want to be around. And I think we85300:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.360



all know this, Like boundaries have been so hot in85400:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.679



psychology recently, just the idea of like saying no right,85500:44:02.719 --> 00:44:04.239



and so it's the same thing. You put a boundary85600:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.760



around you, don't one around you. And then finally, the85700:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.679



last step is to amplify, and that is when you85800:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.039



get back to that core energy of yours and you85900:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.920



do that by doing the things that you love. And86000:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.800



it could be like, you know, going to a yeog class,86100:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.920



talking to it, you know, a friend that really lights86200:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.639



you up, doing work that feels really good. But it's86300:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.639



all these things that get us back to who we are.86400:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.360



That amplifier energy, you know, it makes your energy more,86500:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.599



you like, allows your energy to shine. And so I86600:44:32.599 --> 00:44:34.559



think about my energy a lot because I used to86700:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.880



be someone who really didn't protect my energy. I gave86800:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.000



it away a lot, especially my job when I worked86900:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.480



in venture capital, I had to relate to a lot87000:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.440



of founders that we had invested in and just help87100:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.679



them with whatever, and so I felt like I was87200:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.440



getting pulled into whatever drama they were experiencing and letting87300:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.599



myself just sit in their energy. And then now, especially87400:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.800



as a coach too, I really create a strong and87500:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.679



ergetic boundary where I'm like, Okay, I'm here for you.87600:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.559



That's your stuff and this is my stuff, and I87700:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.760



think that actually makes it better. Oh, I'm sure you87800:45:07.840 --> 00:45:08.840



must feel that all the time.87900:45:10.239 --> 00:45:10.480



Yeah.88000:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.719



Look, that's interesting that you say that, because it took88100:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.119



me a really long time to realize that some of88200:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.679



what I was feeling was not mine, some of what88300:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.400



I was carrying or if I was just in an88400:45:20.440 --> 00:45:21.039



off mood.88500:45:21.800 --> 00:45:22.400



Oh I didn't.88600:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.559



And you know, we all have good days, bad days,88700:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.519



you know, down days. We all have days we feel88800:45:29.519 --> 00:45:33.079



a bit more anxious or worried or whatever. But it88900:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.760



actually there was a point where and it was probably89000:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.800



through doing what I do with meditation and just checking89100:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.320



in with myself and my own energy, that I actually realized,89200:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.320



Oh wait a second, I actually I am pretty sure that89300:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.280



this is not my stuff. I think I'm actually kind89400:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.599



of absorbing this and I had to get much more diligent.89500:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.719



And it's a good reminder because I've probably been forgetting89600:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.760



to do that, and reading your book, I was like, oh, yeah,89700:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.039



that is really important.89800:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.400



I love that phrase that you use, which is, oh,89900:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.360



that's not my you know, like I love that You're like, oh, yeah,90000:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.559



this isn't mine. I'm just gonna leave this, you know,90100:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.679



leave this baggage behind. It's true most of the time90200:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.039



it's actually not ours.90300:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.360



But we carried around and we just we just think, oh,90400:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.719



I'm just obviously having a shitty day or whatever.90500:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.599



But maybe it's somebody else's day.90600:46:18.000 --> 00:46:22.639



Just it's nice to think about that way, even if90700:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.079



just psychologically it helps you to kind of shake it90800:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.239



off and move on from it, you know, like whatever.90900:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.480



I completely agree. Yeah, even imagining it as like someone91000:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.519



else's suitcase that you've been carrying like lugging on your91100:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.239



back and you're like, oh, I'll just yeah, put this down.91200:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.960



I can put this down. No, I love it.91300:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.760



And I think that when you're talking about like amplifying91400:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.760



your energy, like even that is just such great life advice.91500:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.480



I mean, in the in the woo woo sort of world,91600:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.599



we talk about oh, raising your vibration, but it is91700:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.280



really it's just filling filling your life with more opportunities91800:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.519



for joy. Isn't it Like it's just really putting your91900:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.599



intention and your energy and you effitt into the things92000:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.639



that really fill you up, because is enough that kind92100:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.719



of can drain us and drag us down. So it's92200:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.960



being really conscious about that and deliberately kind of amplifying92300:47:16.960 --> 00:47:17.480



your energy.92400:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.280



Yeah, and I love that we kind of talk about92500:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.639



it without knowing it. You know when someone says, you know,92600:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.559



do what lights you up right? Or they say, oh,92700:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.119



she has such a bright smile, It's like those are92800:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.800



energetic things and we need them. Like we're here to92900:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.199



express our energenious We're here to express our talents. And93000:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.199



my goal and all the work I do across the93100:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.039



board is if everyone can connect with their energenius and93200:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.079



be at their greatest potential, I think the world would93300:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.039



be a really amazing place. You know, everyone is so gifted.93400:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.679



It's like that is something that I know to be93500:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.559



true after all these years of working with different founders.93600:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.719



Some of them come from very impressive backgrounds, but actually93700:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.599



a lot of them don't. But it's just finding that93800:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.599



spark of energenius. You know. It's doing those things that93900:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.760



you do really well, but not just that it's also94000:48:11.840 --> 00:48:14.719



doing them in the style that is unique in all94100:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.639



your own because you know, there's like plenty of ways94200:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.800



for someone to, let's say, be a writer, but every94300:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.519



person is going to bring their own flavor to it.94400:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.320



There are a lot of different podcasts out there, but94500:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.280



the people who listen to this one, there's a resonance, right,94600:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.559



There's something about you and your style that they really94700:48:33.400 --> 00:48:35.679



are attracted to. And so the more you can actually94800:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.639



be true to your energenius, the more people can find94900:48:38.639 --> 00:48:39.320



and connect with you.95000:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.679



I think that is actually a really great place to95100:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.079



end this conversation, because I know I could talk to you, Liz,95200:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.039



all day long, and I did mean to ask you,95300:48:50.039 --> 00:48:51.760



because it's the premise of the whole book is about95400:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.239



connecting to your ergenius. I think what you were sharing95500:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.039



is you have a chaptical becoming brilliant, but what you95600:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.440



specify that you don't really talking about becoming brilliant because95700:49:02.440 --> 00:49:07.920



we are already brilliant. It is about remembering your unique brilliance.95800:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.519



I guess living your life as much as possible and95900:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.800



doing your work as much as possible from.96000:49:12.840 --> 00:49:19.159



That place, Yes, everyone is so talented, it's crazy, like96100:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.440



even just think about the people in your lives, Like96200:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.000



if you kind of do a quick scan around your96300:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.000



family members, your partner, and you can see so clearly96400:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.239



how they're just genius at something right. It could be96500:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.800



like making food, where it could be like at their job.96600:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.519



It could be in the way that they are able96700:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.079



to connect and talk to people. There's something that we96800:49:40.119 --> 00:49:43.159



spot in other people, and I think that the sad96900:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.599



part is it's like we're really not good at spotting97000:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.039



it in yourselves. And that's why in the book, I97100:49:48.079 --> 00:49:54.000



love tools like personality assessments, astrology, numerology, all these different97200:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.760



ways to give us language to explore who we are.97300:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.800



And so maybe I'll say, if you can take this97400:50:00.360 --> 00:50:05.519



and try to articulate what your energenius is, and you know,97500:50:05.559 --> 00:50:09.599



if you haven't, take the Meyers Briggs tape Indicator personality97600:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.760



test doesn't take very long. It'll give you some language,97700:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.559



have your astrology chart read, let someone else give you97800:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.519



some verbage for how amazing you are, and then you97900:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.119



can start to learn and understand it yourself, because it's98000:50:22.159 --> 00:50:22.639



a treasure.98100:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.920



Liz, congratulations on the book. Thank you so much for98200:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.760



your time today. It has been an absolute pleasure.98300:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.000



Thank you so much, Cass.98400:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.280



Liz Trans book The Karma of Success is available right98500:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.800



now now. If you're in Australia, you can right now98600:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.400



get the kindle or audible version of the book. If98700:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.400



you're in the UK or US, the paper version is98800:50:47.480 --> 00:50:49.599



out right now. Australia you will have to wait a98900:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.840



couple more months to get the paper version of.99000:50:52.800 --> 00:50:53.960



The Karma of Success.99100:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.119



Meanwhile, be sure to follow Liz on socials. Her Instagram99200:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.159



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