July 24, 2023

The Karma of Success with Liz Tran

The Karma of Success with Liz Tran
The Karma of Success with Liz Tran
Crappy to Happy
The Karma of Success with Liz Tran
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Season 9Women's Health And WellbeingCreativity & Self-ExpressionJob Satisfaction

Before starting her executive coaching company for CEO's and Founders, 'Reset', Liz Tran spent a decade in tech, most recently as the only female executive at a top venture capital firm. For most of her career, Liz Tran was sure that if people knew about her spiritual practices, they would never respect her as a business person. She worked in a world where numbers and spreadsheets were everything, so how could she admit that she believed in scientifically indefensible forces like the Tarot or feng shui or Reiki?Liz is the host of the Reset with Liz Tran podcast and her new book, 'The Karma of Success' has just been released. And in this episode you can expect to hear:

  • How suffering doesn't equal success and how accessing ideas that flow easily through you can lead to better results
  • How to care for the three treasures of the body: physical body, energy, and intuition
  • Why some Founders succeed past the seed stage and others don't


If you'd like to learn more about Liz, check out her website, or her personal instagram here.

The Reset instagram can be found here.

Listen and subscribe to Liz's podcast, Reset with Liz Tran here.

And, if you're in the UK or US you can get yourself a paperback version of Liz's new book 'The Karma of Success' here.

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Transcript
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A listener production.

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This is Crappita Happy and I am your host, Cas Stunn.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course, author of the Crappita Happy books. In

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this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent

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people who are experts in their field and who have

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something of value to share that will help you feel

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less crappy and more happy. Liz Tran is an executive

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coach and she is the creator of an executive coaching

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company to CEOs and founders called Reset. Before she launched

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a Reset, Liz spent a decade or more in tech,

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most recently as the only female executive as a top

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venture capital firm. Today, Liz works with the CEOs and

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founders of the fastest growing companies in the world. She

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hosts the Reset with Liz Tran podcast, and she's the

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author of a brand spanking new book called The Karma

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of Success Now. For most of her career, Liz was

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sure that if people knew about her spiritual practices, they

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would never respect her as a business person. She worked

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in a world where numbers and spreadsheets were everything, so

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how could she admit that she believed in scientifically indefensible

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forces like the tarot, or functui or reiki. The point,

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I guess is that we all have aspects of ourselves

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that we cover up or hide because we don't think

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that they fit into the stereotypical picture of success or

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what a particular profession should look like. And we think

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that we're improving our chances, but in reality we're actually

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doing the opposite. So in this conversation, which obviously I loved,

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Liz and I discuss why sometimes the logical thing to

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do doesn't make you happy, and while listening to your

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inner voice can propel you to the life that you

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envision for yourself when you stop worrying about external markers

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of success, how you can optimize your energy field so

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that you function at your best in mind, body, and soul,

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and why some founders succeed past the seed stage and

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why others don't. Based on what Liz has discovered working

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with many many of the most successful founders in the world,

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Liz and I go along like a house on fire.

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We were chatting for about ten minutes before we remember

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to press the record button, and I hope that you

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enjoy Liz and her wonderful energy and her wisdom as

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much as I did. Here's my conversation with Liz Liz Tran.

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Welcome to the Crappy to Happy Podcast.

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Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to talk

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to you.

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I have just finished reading your brand new book, and congratulations.

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It is called The Karma of Success. It is so

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up my alley, and we're about to talk all about that.

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But I really enjoyed it. So well done. You've done

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a great job.

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Thank you. Thanks for having me here, and thank you

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for reading the book.

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You are so welcome.

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But let's talk about the book because one thing I

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think is really interesting is that you describe in the

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book the fact that you were six months into writing

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it when you basically just practically threw it all the

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way and started again. Tell me about that.

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Yes, so I am someone who works very diligently towards

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a problem, and I think it's great because it gives

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me a lot of staying power. But it's also not

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so great when something isn't clicking right. And it felt

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like I was putting all this work in and I

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don't know if you had the experience of working on something,

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but it feels like you're driving a car with a

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parking brake on. You know, you're pressing the gas. You

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just can't get anywhere. It's so frustrating.

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I know that feeling, and so.

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I kept going instead of, you know, evaluating. And then

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one night, it was about six weeks before my book

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was due with my publisher, and I went out to

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the desert in California with some friends who were all

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so writing books at similar times, and I finally had

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some quiet and some space away from New York City

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and away from work. I was also working full time

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as I was writing the book, and in that stillness

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late at night, I had this thought, you know, this

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isn't working because the foundation is wrong. I'm trying to

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build a house on a shaky foundation, and that's why

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I keep stacking up these pieces. I keep writing and

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writing and writing these chapters, but none of it is

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actually holding together. And in this like late night delirium,

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I was sober, but it was just late at night,

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and I thought, I have to change the whole thesis

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of the book. And even though I've promised my publisher

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one book, I can't write this book and it's not working.

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It's not what I want to say. It's not what

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into the world. And then within two hours of having

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this thought, I had outlined the whole new book that

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I was writing, and the flow happened, this really elusive

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flow that I'd been chasing for six months, and in

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the next six weeks I wrote ninety five percent of

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the book. I turned the book in on time. I mean,

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it was a wild period. I didn't have internet at

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my house at that point because I just moved in

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and we were doing major renovation. We're out in the

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country and without internet, kind of working at a coworking space,

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working out of a tent. I got the book done

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and it all happened because I had that one moment

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of quiet where I could admit, you know, Liz, this

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isn't very good. And I think actually a lot of

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my career has been made in those moments where I

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can admit that something needs to change. I can be

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a little stubborn in that way, but when I finally see, hey,

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you know what, this isn't working, it really has always

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freed me up to do something that is better for

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me and therefore is able to flow.

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I love that story because it is the premise of

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the entire book is about that very experience, or that

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or that kind of experience being able to let go

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of all of that external pressure and expectation and kind

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of tap into what you know in your heart, like

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what you really kind of know to be true that

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in a genius that you talk about in the book.

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I'm assuming that at some stage the book proposal that

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you had presented and the title and the thesis of it,

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like you, you must have been into that at some

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point did something change.

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Along the way or how? How what was that about?

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That's a great question, And the book originally came from

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the work that I do so day to day. I

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coach founders and CEOs of tech companies that are growing,

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and so usually I start with them when they're maybe

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a handful of employees and they've raised a couple million dollars,

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and then we worked together through many years. Most of

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my clients have been with me for two or three years,

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and at that point they've have up to you know,

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hundreds of employees and have raised tens of millions of dollars.

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And it's fun because I just see their evolution and

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so the book I was writing was about this kind

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concept of entrepreneurship but through a spiritual lens. So what

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lessons from Buddhism, the now astrology can we take and

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apply towards entrepreneurship. And as I was writing the book,

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it felt so prescriptive, like do this, do that, and

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I felt that that wasn't true because every client of

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mine has a unique path and a journey that they take.

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And I really started to recognize that my job as

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a coach is not as much to tell them what

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to do. You know, people think, oh, you must know

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so much about you know, technology, or you must be

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so good at giving advice, and it's actually not that.

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I actually don't know if I'm great at giving advice,

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but I am good at asking a lot of questions

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and helping them to arrive there themselves. And I thought,

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you know what, that's what I want to do with

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this book is I want to write this book as

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if I'm in a coaching session with the reader, where

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I'm asking them a lot of questions about themselves, asking

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them to look inward at who they are, see all

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the amazing strengths and gifts that they have, and along

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the way, start to trust their own intuition again, because

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I think so many of us feel this pressure to

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live up to our peers do better at the thing

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that other people are doing. You know, we say, okay,

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how can we study what all the best did and

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do those things? Yes, And while that information is useful,

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it discounts the fact that sometimes it's our own unique

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choices that come from you know, very little data, very

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little information quote unquote, that really come from intuition that

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are so strong. It's like, you know, the feeling of

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like I've got to move to a new study, or

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you know, I have to start this podcast. You know,

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those aren't things that you can find in data.

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That is so true and I think I've talked about

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that on this podcast recently. Actually, like just your gut,

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just if you can tap into that in a knowing

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it really it will never see you wrong. But it

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is so hard for a lot of people to connect

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with that, and I know in my work that I

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do too. And generally speaking, people are so in their

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own heads and so in the intellectual thinking mind and

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pros and cons and spreadsheets and all of that left

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brain logical kind of decision making processes and it's not enough.

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And you have a great quote in the book. I

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don't know if it's your quote or somebody else's, but

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it's something to do with and you can correct me,

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but spending as much time in your internal world as

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your external world, and I thought that was profound. Can

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you talk about that? How does somebody do that?

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Yes, definitely, I love that quote too. It's from Aviva

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Ram who is a friend of mine and she's also

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an entrepreneur. She's a doctor and a midwife and she

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also runs these amazing training programs for doctors on how

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to have more sort of holistic care. So she's a

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women's health expert and she's just incredible. And what it

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means is, basically, you know, we have a lot of

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opportunity to look outward, right, especially with social media and

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especially you know, seeing what our friends are up to

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on Facebook and Instagram all the time, just content from

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other people. The outside world is anything where we're interacting

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with others. So it could be you know, grocery shopping,

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it could be you know, going to work every day

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and seeing your peers so left unattended. The outside world

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could be everything, right, it can be. It can take

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up one hundred percent of your time except when you're sleeping.

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And the internal world is in those moments where you

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go for a walk by yourself, or you sit down

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and meditate, or even if you're cooking a meal and

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you allow yourself to just be really present to the meal.

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Could be reading a book, it could be journaling, could

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be just having a cup of tea or petting your cat.

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It's all these moments where you slow down and you

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allow yourself the space to think and just be with yourself,

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and those are when the moments of intuition pop in.

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And so many of the greatest thinkers of our time

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have really relied on that intuition, from scientists like Einstein

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to artists like Georgia O'Keeffe. And while they exercise getting

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really good at their craft externally, you know, practicing doing

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what they're doing, they also made space for the internal.

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is that Einstein would really purposely get himself into that

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space of the internal world, where he would do that

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through napping and he would sit in his rock chair.

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I've gotten really into sleeping after reading this too, and

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he would rock himself to sleep and he would think

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about whatever problem he wasn't able to solve in his

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waking life, and he would hold some metal spoons in

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his hands, and then when he would fall asleep, they

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would drop onto a plate below him, and the clanging

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noise would wake him up. But he would have had

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that spark of intuition from sleeping very briefly, and he'd

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wake up just in time to remember it and write

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it down. He also took really long walks, he played

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musical instruments, and so it's all this time where your

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mind can become like a still pond and it's quiet,

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you can hear what comes in because most of the

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time it's there that voice. Have you ever had kind

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don't often hear it until we slow down, we're like, Okay,

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now we have the time and space to do it.

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it's great because it kind of compels you to keep

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talking about proper like metaation or just those various moments

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I usually like some incense and then I do a

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what I'm grateful for, what I'm grateful for, myself, my

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self gratitude, and then I reread whatever vision I'm trying

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to manifest currently in my life, and then I kind

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of just give myself the rest of the space to

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think and you know, whatever comes in. For me, I

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love writing my journal, so it's a written practice for me.

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it and letting more your thoughts come out while you're

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reading it, and so I think it's whatever brings enjoyment

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to you. It shouldn't feel like punishment. You shouldn't feel like, oh,

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I have to sit in a room by myself. You

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should feel like, oh, finally get this time for myself.

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every day. It's interesting that you said part of your

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journaling practice is whatever it is that you're manifesting or

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visualizing in your life. Can I just say, and I

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know this sounds really out there to some people, but

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I can't tell you the miracles that happen in my life,

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the things that I just write in my journal and

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out of nowhere, they come to fruition. It's got to

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the point where I was just like anytime there was

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something I was like struggling with or anxious about or

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worried about, I would just Okay.

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but it works like it would be literally I would

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close up the journal and then the phone would ring

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and I'd get the phone call that I had been

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like stressing about and waiting days for. So anyway, that's

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just a little DIGRESSI it's amazing.

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little things and also bigger goals?

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don't turn up immediately. But I've got a pretty strong

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track record of you know, things happening in my life

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having visualized and journaled about them.

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when we start to be able to see it in

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our mind's eye that we start to know that we

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can do it. So I love thinking about all the

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professional athletes who do this. So Michael Phelps, he visualizes

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every race in his mind, like he literally goes step

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walking onto the deck, jumping into the pool, stroke by

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stroke by stroke until he wins the race. And so

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when he shows up on race day, he's already won

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it in his mind one hundred times, and then he

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feels easeful. And I think, the things that we want,

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we have to ask for them. You know, and we

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have to believe that we're worthy. And so I think

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you writing in your journal, you know, one science of

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it is that you know you can see it, and

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therefore like it happens because you believe that it is possible.

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you're running a marathon and you think I can't do this,

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you're actually never going to finish. And so you're saying

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to yourself, Cas, this is going to happen for you,

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and so subconsciously you start making all the right decisions

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and choices to back that up. And then from a

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spiritual standpoint, because I always like to compare this, you know,

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the science and the spiritual. The universe can't give you

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what you want unless you ask for it. And you're

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doing that and it's like, oh, Cass, this is what

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Hello here exactly And I have, you know, the same

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spiritual beliefs that you do. And I sometimes have to

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remind myself, Oh that's right. I have to ask, like

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you know when you because it's the most basic thing,

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but we forget to do it.

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Oh no, that's right.

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I can.

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I can create what I want in my life but

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I do have to ask if I want some energetic support,

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some help from the universe, because we just forget.

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that people get from this episode is please ask for

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what you want and you'll probably get it. I mean,

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you will get it at some point. And I think

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a lot of the times, especially you know, for women,

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sometimes we're conditioned to not feel like we can ask

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for it, or maybe that we already have enough. Yeah,

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we should be grateful, like, oh well, like my life

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is already fine. Who am I to want more? That

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feels too much? You know, why should I want even more?

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the thing that you are aiming for, it comes from

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your intuition. It's not a selfish thing. There's a reason why,

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and it's the reason is that whatever that thing you

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want needs to come into this world. You know, all

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the greatest pieces of art science, you know, movements for

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people activism that come from this feeling of wanting the

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world to be slightly different than it is. And so

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I want to encourage everyone who's listening to just be

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very egregious and a little bit selfish about saying yes,

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this is what I want because it's going to help

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other people along the way too.

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I put out that I want it will be very

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different from what somebody else does. So even just that

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thought that pops into my mind, But what might be

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nice in my life is that's tapping into my own

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intuition too, because it's going to be different for me

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to what it is for somebody else. So it's all

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that kind of inner genius stuff, isn't it's just connecting

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with who you read.

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Are Absolutely you talked at.

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The beginning about the book about and it is still

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very much about, you know, spiritual ideas, and you work

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with founders and entrepreneurs.

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How receptive is that group?

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I mean, I guess people know you by now, they

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know what you're about. But how well received are those

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kind of ideas that have typically been considered to be

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a bit out there, bit not mainstream wu WU kind

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of stuff. How well is it received by the people

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that you work with.

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I started becoming a coach, I worked in tech for

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a long time and then I worked in venture capital,

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and I was really shy and reticent about sharing what

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I believed in because you know, it's a really I mean,

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it's finance. It's an industry that's dominated by data and numbers.

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anyone knows that I believe in astrology and crystals and

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energy healing, then they're not going to take me seriously.

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though they were really helping me in my life. I mean,

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you know this, but the power of astrology is incredible,

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and I would use it to pick, you know, the

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best days to launch projects. And I got really into

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hypnotherapy and I had this great hypnotherapist and it made

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me this amazing, confident public speaker. And everyone was like,

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what is how are you so good at public speaking?

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my hypnotherapist who's also my astrologer. But you know, I

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held those things back. And it was only when I

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started coaching my own clients and I started to develop

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these deeper relationships with them that I started sharing more.

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were really interested, and they actually, even if they weren't

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you know, quote unquote spiritual themselves, they had a curiosity

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about it. Because I think a lot of what we're

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talking about here, even if if you don't put a

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spiritual name on it, we've all had these experiences in

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our lives, right, So I think everyone who's listening probably

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has the experience of asking for something, maybe writing in

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their journal or even telling someone, and then somehow it

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pops up the next day, right, And so I think

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that's like a very human experience as part of the

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laws of the way things work in the world. And

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so the way I operate is generally about I would

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say like seventy five percent of the session is very

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business oriented. So we might be you know, reviewing a

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board deck, or we might be looking at like a

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P and L statement, or we might be thinking about

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how to have difficult conversations with certain employees of the company.

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people go, We're going to put these people on a

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performance improvement plan. And then the twenty five percent of

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it is the spiritual aspect, and that is actually the foundation,

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and so I might we might be talking about something

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like letting a group of employees go, but I'll remind

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them about something that comes from spirituality for me that

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is helpful for them. So, as an example, one of

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my clients has been really struggling with one of her investors,

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and her investor gives her a hard time, constantly makes

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her feel horrible about who she is as a CEO,

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makes her feel really bad about running the business. And

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you know, I said, think about this quote by Pemachodrin,

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who's a Buddhist nun, and she says, nothing goes away

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until it teaches us what we need to know. So

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what is your lesson here that you haven't been learning?

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She said, the lesson is that I need to be

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not a people pleaser. I need to be confident in myself.

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haven't done that. I've tried every which way to make

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this person happy. Hasn't worked for the past three board meetings.

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And then she went into the next board meeting and

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she just stood up for herself and she depersonalized this

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person's critique of her, and in that board meeting, finally said,

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you're doing such a great job running this company. You're

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one of our best run companies. Thank you for doing this.

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this person had been going through their own journey that

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was impacting the way that she was being treated, and

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she said, Liz, you're right, Like that was my lesson.

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I had to learn so little things like that. I'll

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weave into you know, for us food for thought. I'll

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drop in a story a zen parable a concept from Buddhism. Luckily,

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and you know this probably very well. Luckily, there's always

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a kind of a correlating psychology term to a Buddhist term,

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and so and so saying like, hey, you know you

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have you know, you're wrestling with like attachment right like

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a Buddhist term. I'll be like, hey, you know, in psychology,

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there's this understanding of loss of version. This is what's happening.

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And so sometimes it's easier to find that translation and

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it resonates more with them, and other times I'll just

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go straight for the spiritual and be like, this is

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what you need right now.

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Yeah, And you know what, as a psychologist, I've been

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really open about the fact that the Buddhists have got

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it all sorted. They always have, like all the fundamental

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principles of Buddhist philosophy, the principles we should all be

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living our life by, because it just makes sense, I mean,

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And then you know, you have all of these psychological models. Now,

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like I just did an episode on various approaches to therapy.

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I'm talking about act acceptance and commitment therapy.

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Well, what's that.

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It's essentially Buddhism just wrapped up in psychological to me,

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that's the fact.

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Yeah, in Buddhism they always say that there's this concept

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00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.799
of the two arrows. So the first arrow is unavoidable,

470
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:45.599
it's something that bad that happens to you, it's disappointment, grief, whatever, pain,

471
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.119
And the problem is that they say that, then we

472
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:52.319
shoot a second arrow into the same spot. And that's

473
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.920
the resistance, right, that's being like, why me, why did

474
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.039
this happen to me? This is my fault? Did I

475
00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.640
do this to myself? You know, we cause an additional

476
00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:02.480
heap of paining suffering on top of that initial and

477
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.240
avoidable pain and suffering. And then you know, I sometimes

478
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.000
try to say this to my clients where you know, obviously,

479
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.599
life is ten thousand joys and ten thousand sorrows, and

480
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:14.200
so I try to say, hey, don't make it worse.

481
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.960
And so I might tell them about the Buddhist story

482
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.359
of the two earros, or I might say, hey, you

483
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:23.920
know the formula, which is that pain is pain times

484
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.240
resistance equal suffering, And so you can have pain, but

485
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.359
if there's no resistance, suffering is very little. But if

486
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:33.119
you have the pain and you amp it up with

487
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.640
your resistance, the suffering is going to be really strong.

488
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.200
And so I find that it's actually kind of helpful

489
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.519
to share both with them sometimes and let them see

490
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.119
that it exists in both frameworks.

491
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.359
Yeah, I love that I use all of those same

492
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.759
metaphors in all of the work that I do as well,

493
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.680
And I think it's great that you bring it in

494
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.359
because I think also, I mean, I guess I think

495
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.880
of a lot of people in you know, high pressure

496
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:02.000
corporate environments, whether it's finance or you know, whether they're

497
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.319
founder or whether they're working for somebody else, they will

498
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:06.839
often they've got this kind of professional life a little

499
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.559
bit like what you were describing, But then they might

500
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.119
go off for a weekend retreat.

501
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.240
They might go off and have this kind.

502
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:17.279
Of yoga break to destress, but there's this separation in

503
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.400
people like I can do that on my own time.

504
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.920
I can go off and I can have a massage

505
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.640
or a reiki session or something, but you know, when

506
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.839
I come back to work, it's this is work. And

507
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.799
I think opening people up to the idea that these

508
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.720
things can coexist, like these they don't have to be separate.

509
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.920
And that's essentially what you're saying, right like, this is

510
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.200
all part of who you are, You bring it all,

511
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.759
and that you're no longer trying to separate this aspect

512
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:46.680
of yourself from that.

513
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.680
Yes, and I agree with you that that separation is

514
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:54.400
so intense, and so sometimes it takes months or years

515
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.640
of working with someone where I don't tell them we're

516
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.160
actively working on it, but I kind of just play

517
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.839
it back for them. I say, oh, wow, look, did

518
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.920
you notice how much more effective you were at work

519
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.039
this week after having gone on that yoga retreat or

520
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.440
had that RESTful weekend, And just kind of sort of

521
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.680
setting a mental image for them and making that connection

522
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.759
and just saying, oh wow, great job you did that.

523
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.279
Did you notice how that connected together? And you know,

524
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.759
I think at the end of the day, our lives

525
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.920
are just so interconnected, especially after the pandemic, where everyone's

526
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.400
just started working from home, right, and it's sort of

527
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.680
like where's the line, Where does it blur anymore? And

528
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.599
this idea of work life balance, I think is actually

529
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.720
like a little outdated, right, and it's kind of more

530
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.039
just just take care of yourself, you know, like that

531
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:43.319
actually is the priority. Let's not try to balance it.

532
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.359
Take care of you as a foundation, and everything else

533
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.240
will fall into place after that, Which.

534
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.720
Brings me to self care.

535
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.720
You talk about self care is not just caring for

536
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:58.200
your physical body or even your emotional well being, but

537
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:03.039
tending to your soul. So describe that for me. How

538
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:05.000
does one go about tending to this soul?

539
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.279
Yes, so, I think the first part of tending to

540
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.960
your soul is to realize that you have a soul.

541
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.839
Good study and then you have a really beautiful soul.

542
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.480
And you know, we kind of walk through lives with

543
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.319
these to do lists and this never ending email box

544
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.759
that we have to tend to and a list of

545
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:31.440
dry cleaning, grocery shopping. It gets busy and it feels

546
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.640
kind of like a drag sometimes where you're just literally

547
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.480
checking through all your responsibilities and to zoom out first

548
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.920
and to remember that we have these very beautiful and

549
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.160
precious human existences. It is such an honor to be

550
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.359
born as a human. In the theory of karma, so

551
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.519
the Buddhists believe that we are all reincarnated. We have

552
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.279
the same soul that persists, but then we're reincarnated into

553
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.279
a new form. And they say, to have this birth

554
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.279
as a human, you've got to have done a lot

555
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.559
of good things in your life, you know, your previous

556
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.079
lives to be here now as a human. And it's

557
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.319
cool because like, we're the only animals out there who

558
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.319
dream and plan for the future and who push ourselves

559
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.200
to evolve consciously. Of course other animals are doing it,

560
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:21.400
you know, automatically, but we're the ones who think, okay, like,

561
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.519
what are we building here? How do we work together?

562
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.160
Like we're intentional about it. And so we have this

563
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.000
opportunity to do some amazing things, whether on a big,

564
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:34.000
big scale or a small scale. So I think first pausing, thinking, wow,

565
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.720
I'm a person that happens to live right now in

566
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.400
a time where I've got actually a lot of freedom

567
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.960
and a lot of potential. I think about this all

568
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.599
the time, where if I had been born just even

569
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.359
forty years earlier, I'd have a very different life in Vietnam,

570
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.160
where you know, the country would have been you know,

571
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.680
just recovering from the war, or at any period of

572
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.519
time earlier, I would have been born without a lot

573
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.799
of rights as a woman. And now I get to

574
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.119
live in the US, and I got to go to college,

575
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.319
and I got to like you know, and now I

576
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.480
get to run in my own business. And that's not

577
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.480
necessarily true for lots and lots of people. And so

578
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.440
I think first just thinking, yeah, we have all these

579
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.079
responsibilities that are bogging us down, but how beautiful, how

580
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.839
beautiful that we're here right now. How beautiful that you

581
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.160
and I are sitting here, Kaz and we get to

582
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:23.759
have this conversation like as work and get to talk

583
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.119
to each other real fun and get to you know,

584
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.599
connect with all these people who listen to your podcasts,

585
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.240
and you have this podcast that has technology where you

586
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.240
can reach all these people. So I think the first

587
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.640
thing is just sitting in the awe and the wonder

588
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.519
of your life, where it's like, gosh, we get to

589
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.400
drive cars, we go to the beach, you know, all

590
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.799
these little things, and so that's first where you start,

591
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.920
and you remember, I'm in this beautiful soul, I have

592
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.759
this beautiful human existence. And then the self care aspect

593
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.160
of that comes from. If I have this one, very

594
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.640
very precious life, how do I make sure that I'm

595
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:02.599
really experiencing it to the full. And for my clients,

596
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.279
I often look at them and they are these people

597
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:10.440
who have worked really hard and also sacrificed a lot

598
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.680
to have this amazing position where they can build these

599
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.960
companies with tens of millions of dollars of funding. It's

600
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.039
very rare, you know, to raise that amount of money,

601
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.240
especially at a young age. But a lot of my

602
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.039
clients are between I would say twenty six and forty.

603
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.119
So they're building these tech companies. They're very privileged, yet

604
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.440
they don't make time to eat lunch. They get on

605
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.160
a call with me and they say, oh, my gosh,

606
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.200
I haven't gone to the bathroom all day. Do you

607
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.839
mind if I just go to the bathroom. They're like,

608
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.240
I'm so hungry, I haven't eaten anything. And look at

609
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.559
my watch and it's five o'clock where they are, and

610
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.079
they're running themselves into the ground, because they're forgetting that

611
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.519
life just isn't about checking things off the to do lists.

612
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.319
It's also about caring for this beautiful, precious nature that

613
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.960
we have. And the way that they phrase it in

614
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.920
the idea of Chinese medicine is that our bodies are

615
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.480
actually three treasures and we have to take care of

616
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.440
all three of those treasures. The first one is jing,

617
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.559
which is like, you know, actually the physical body. It's like,

618
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:14.799
are you caring for your body? Are you giving it

619
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.119
the right food, the right rest? You know, like do

620
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.480
you just feel really nourished? And that's the first thing

621
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.599
that actually a lot of my clients could do better, right.

622
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.559
And then the second treasure that you have is about

623
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.000
your chi, which is like your energy, So is your

624
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.880
energy flowing And that's why doing things like yoga and

625
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.039
reiki or spending time with nature they can get your

626
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.839
energy moving. I think we all have that experience where

627
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.200
even if we feel fine physically, we're like, eh, my

628
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.319
energy is just low to day, or like my energy

629
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.039
is off, so it's just kind of recalibrating your energy.

630
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.680
And then the final treasure is your shen, which is

631
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.119
basically your connection to your intuition. It's the way that

632
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.559
you shine and your brilliance. And I think that we

633
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.000
sleep on that a little bit, right, We like don't

634
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.759
let ourselves have that intuition come through, or we hear

635
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.200
something intuitively and we ignore it, and then the more

636
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.480
we ignore it, the more it goes away. You know,

637
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.079
have you ever had that moment where you're like, I

638
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.240
think I should call my mom or you're like I

639
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.079
don't want to, I'm not going to do it, Or

640
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.720
we think I should call my son whoever it is

641
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.680
a close family member, and then you call them and

642
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.200
they were going through something. And so those moments of

643
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.720
shan are always trying to pop into our minds and

644
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.200
they want to be heard. And so when I think

645
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.839
about self care, it's so much more than making a

646
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.000
night to have a bath or getting yourself on a

647
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.440
run or to a yoga class. It's more of this

648
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:44.200
reverence and this pride in being these really beautiful, remarkable creatures.

649
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.880
Like we have our human bodies and we're so hard

650
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.640
on them where we think, oh, I got to lose weight,

651
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.759
you know, I need to be stronger, my body is

652
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.240
failing me, when really it's just like, wow, I'm here,

653
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.799
I'm human, Like, how can I just worship this ex

654
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.279
experiences that I'm having right now?

655
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.720
Yeah, I love that. I hope that you're enjoying this

656
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.199
conversation and realizing the benefits of positivity in your own life.

657
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.519
If you are enjoying the show, please be sure to

658
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.960
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659
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.639
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660
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.000
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661
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.679
I should say, like, for a book that you just

662
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.519
came up with in the middle of the night and

663
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.320
outline in the middle of the night and then wrote

664
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.880
it in six weeks, it's so beautifully laid out. It's

665
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.320
just so neatly ordered into these little sections and headings

666
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.480
and beautiful diagrams. It's like, it's did you feel like

667
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.320
it kind of just I though this sounds really weir

668
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.800
weird as well, It just came through you, like you know,

669
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.320
it just feels like it was inspired for by something greater.

670
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.440
And that's my disrespect to you because you wrote it

671
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.000
and it's all based on your own life experience and

672
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.840
your knowledge, but the fact that you were able to

673
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.400
just like kind of document all of that in such

674
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:05.400
a short space of time.

675
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.880
I am really impressed by Thank you.

676
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:13.760
Yeah, I one hundred percent believe that it was flowing from,

677
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.599
you know, a source outside of me, and it came

678
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.760
so easily that it was actually a little disturbing because

679
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.000
I'm used to like, I'm like a person who's like,

680
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.599
let's grind, you know, Like I worked in tech for

681
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.760
so long, and I was working these crazy hours for

682
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.119
most of my career, where I'd be in the office

683
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.800
by eight and I'd sometimes be there till ten or

684
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.639
eleven with my colleagues, you know, we'd be working really

685
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.519
late at night. Especially when I worked in venture capital.

686
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.880
It was always on it was always on culture. And

687
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.119
now I felt like I had to retrain myself to

688
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.280
realize that suffering doesn't equate to success. And so the

689
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.760
book just came so easily that when I sent it

690
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.760
to my editor, I was a little bit like, I

691
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.920
love this book, but is it really bad? It could

692
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.679
possibly be really bad because it felt like too easy

693
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.519
or something. And then my editor read it, and I

694
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.280
was nervously waiting for her to reply back, and then

695
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.679
she wrote back, this is one of the best manuscripts

696
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.679
I've ever read from a first time author. I felt

697
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.199
this huge sense of relief, and it was like this

698
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.840
lesson that the harder you suffer for your work doesn't

699
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.960
mean that you're going to be more successful. It's actually

700
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.039
the opposite. The more you can have ease and joy

701
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:27.960
and happiness around it. I mean, I was having a

702
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.320
great time when I was writing. I was like, this

703
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.199
is so much fun. I couldn't wait to sit down

704
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.239
and write it. And I actually think, you know, that

705
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.760
is accessible to all of us. Like do you ever

706
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.119
have that experience with the work that you do where

707
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.800
you're like, hey, like I don't know how I know this,

708
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.639
but like I got to have this person on my podcast,

709
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.239
or like I know what I'm going to talk about.

710
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:47.400
You're like, oh, I know, I'm going to do this

711
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.199
this segment on the different types of therapy out there,

712
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.800
you know, and like you just that information. You could

713
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.119
spend five hours trying to think about your next podcast topic,

714
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.719
or it could just flow through you. I don't know

715
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.239
what do you think? Yeah?

716
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.760
No, I totally agree.

717
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.119
And when you said at the beginning, do you ever

718
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.199
feel like it's like you're just driving with the break on?

719
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.159
Like I I when I feel like that, I know,

720
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.559
I just need to take a break and step back,

721
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.320
because it's in it's when I give myself the space.

722
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.519
And that's something.

723
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.679
That I have had to really am constantly working on

724
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.199
dismantling is that idea that you just said, like that

725
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:27.360
it's got to be hard or you've got to if

726
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.360
you're not doing anything, you're just being lazy and unproductive.

727
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.679
Because I find I can be the most inspired and

728
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.639
productive and get more done when I give myself a break,

729
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.760
when I'm not just working hard all the time.

730
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:41.719
But there's a lot of.

731
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.480
Conditioning there that that you've got to be working hard

732
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.440
all the time if you want any kind of success.

733
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.639
There's so much conditioning around that. And you know, you

734
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.639
hear that narrative in like self help books even and

735
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.639
the especially business books, where you know they show these

736
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.679
role models of people who were just like you know,

737
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.360
ignore or with their family, you know, worked all the time.

738
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:07.480
I think about Steve Jobs. People really revere him, and

739
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.039
he wasn't the nicest person. He was actually like quite

740
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.320
mean to his family and quite mean to his employees.

741
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.280
And so that was another thing I wanted to do

742
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.639
in the book was to showcase people who have found

743
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.960
a lot of success in their careers, but they've done

744
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.480
it in their own way, through their own path, and

745
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.360
done it without having to torture themselves in the process,

746
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:29.880
and all of that is accessible to us. And that

747
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.039
was my whole thing. You know. I published this book

748
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.599
with Portfolio, which is an imprint of Penguin Random House

749
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.840
and they do business books. They write books for ambitious people.

750
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:43.239
And originally my agent was like, do we put this

751
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.119
book with the spirituality section, you know, do we try

752
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.039
to go with a publisher who does spiritual New Age

753
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.880
books or do we do it with a business publisher.

754
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.559
And I felt really strongly, let's go business because I

755
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.639
want people to know that all of these like spiritual

756
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:02.039
woo wu concepts, these will unequivocally help their career. And

757
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.800
I was like, we have to go business. We have

758
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:04.519
to go business.

759
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.000
Yeah, I'm glad that you went business. Well, you talk

760
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.760
about cleansing and protecting your energy and kind of amplifying

761
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.440
your energy. Can we talk about that because I think

762
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.760
that's really important and really helpful for just everybody.

763
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.960
Yeah, definitely. The first thing I'll say is that we

764
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.360
all have energy around us, and think about how sometimes

765
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.800
you can feel another person's energy where You can walk

766
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.199
in and see a friend and before they even say anything,

767
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:38.800
you feel if they're happy or not, or you feel

768
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.840
if they're having a hard time. They're like, oh, I

769
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.239
know exactly what's going to happen here. Or maybe you

770
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.440
walk into a meeting with some colleagues and without even

771
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.760
seeing their faces, you know, you walk into the room

772
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.199
and you're like, Okay, I know what I'm in for today.

773
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.639
You know, it's really palpable, and you know, we give

774
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.199
it off all the time, like we can't see energy,

775
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.039
but we can feel it. And I think it's why

776
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.719
we say things very colloquially in our language like oh,

777
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.280
she's got such a great vibe right, or like you

778
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.480
have to go visit this place, Like the energy is

779
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.480
just so good and so we may not be able

780
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.239
to consciously identify it, but we really feel it in

781
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.360
the same way that like, you know, we smell something

782
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.400
in the air. And so that's what I want to say,

783
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.920
is like, first trust, trust that you can feel the

784
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.400
energy around you, and so knowing that years exist and

785
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.880
it's there, it's so powerful. And essentially every ancient tradition

786
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.400
there was some sort of framework for understanding the energy

787
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.880
body and in you know, traditional Hindu tradition, it's the chakras,

788
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.360
where we have these seven chakras that are run along

789
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.599
the spinal column that we can't see, but they all

790
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.480
impact different parts of us. So if you go to yoga,

791
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.920
you've probably heard about the shark, the heart chakra, and

792
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.119
the crown chakra, and those you know connect heart chakra

793
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.360
connects to you know, you're feeling connection with others. The

794
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.760
crown chakra connects to you know, your downloads and your intuition,

795
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.159
and so really everyone's been talking about energy since the

796
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.599
beginning of humankind, except for us in this medical western

797
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.400
world that we live in. It's like, hey, you go

798
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.599
the doctor and they're just like okay, like what's wrong

799
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.920
with you? But then you go the acupuncturist and she

800
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.079
really feels for your energy and she might say, okay,

801
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.360
you have a blockage here. So I'm a huge believer

802
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.719
in energy, and this is just like a little bit

803
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.880
of an aside. I tried to get pregnant for many,

804
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.639
many years and went to all the best doctors in

805
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.800
New York and did lots and lots of fertility treatments,

806
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.079
and everyone was like, I don't know why you can't

807
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.320
get pregnant, like you have lots of eggs, your husband's

808
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.920
sperm is fine. This is very weird, but like, just

809
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.079
do IVF. They didn't ask too many questions. They're like,

810
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:44.880
we don't really we did the test, we don't know.

811
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.000
Just go straight into IVF. And so I did three

812
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.559
rounds of IVF. It wasn't successful until I started working

813
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.679
in my energy and I went religiously to my acupuncturist

814
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.599
and she really worked on unblocking a lot of channels.

815
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.360
And once we did that for like three months, I

816
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.039
got pregnant. So it was kind of amazing. And so

817
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.679
I really am someone who was skeptical at first, but

818
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.639
I really feel it in my own life. And so

819
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.320
we all have these energy bodies that we need to

820
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.400
take care of, and just like the physical body, we

821
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:18.480
have to take care of it. We have to cleanse

822
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.480
it in the same way that we take a shower,

823
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.039
because the energy actually picks up everything around us. So

824
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.440
if you've ever gone to see, you know, a really

825
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.880
sad movie, it's hard to shake it off, or you're

826
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.559
with a friend who is just really down in the dumps,

827
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.559
and then afterwards you feel it on you for a

828
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.320
really long time think about how we accumulate that all

829
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.280
the time around us, especially if we live in cities

830
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.639
where you're constantly in other people's energy, and so every

831
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.360
once in a while you need to just kind of

832
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.079
squeeze and rinse it all out, like the same way

833
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.960
that you're squeezing a sponge, and then get back to

834
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.039
your own energy again so that your own energy can shine.

835
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.119
And Cass, I feel like you are a really empathetic person,

836
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.159
especially with your libra rising, where you're like, I can

837
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.599
fit in anywhere. And part of that is also your

838
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.880
energy is sort of harmonizing with theirs, with other people's energy,

839
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.960
and that can actually be a lot right because paths

840
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.239
empaths are people who have a very kind of deep

841
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:22.920
energetic connection with other people. They especially absorb other people's energy,

842
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.440
and so to get back to your own you just

843
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.639
need to cleanse it out. And for the way I

844
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.760
think about that is you need to move your body,

845
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.280
You need to rest, like which is sleep where you know,

846
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.159
just taking some downtime, and then you need to be

847
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.440
in nature. And because nature is like a very you know,

848
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.519
nature cleanses our oxygen and so it cleanses our energy.

849
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:48.079
Bodies too, So that's the cleansing portion of it. The

850
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.440
second piece is protecting your energy. So it's kind of

851
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.320
just putting up a boundary around the type of energy

852
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.320
you don't want to be around. And I think we

853
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.360
all know this, Like boundaries have been so hot in

854
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.679
psychology recently, just the idea of like saying no right,

855
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:04.239
and so it's the same thing. You put a boundary

856
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.760
around you, don't one around you. And then finally, the

857
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.679
last step is to amplify, and that is when you

858
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.039
get back to that core energy of yours and you

859
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.920
do that by doing the things that you love. And

860
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.800
it could be like, you know, going to a yeog class,

861
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.920
talking to it, you know, a friend that really lights

862
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.639
you up, doing work that feels really good. But it's

863
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.639
all these things that get us back to who we are.

864
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.360
That amplifier energy, you know, it makes your energy more,

865
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.599
you like, allows your energy to shine. And so I

866
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:34.559
think about my energy a lot because I used to

867
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.880
be someone who really didn't protect my energy. I gave

868
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.000
it away a lot, especially my job when I worked

869
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.480
in venture capital, I had to relate to a lot

870
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.440
of founders that we had invested in and just help

871
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.679
them with whatever, and so I felt like I was

872
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.440
getting pulled into whatever drama they were experiencing and letting

873
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.599
myself just sit in their energy. And then now, especially

874
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.800
as a coach too, I really create a strong and

875
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.679
ergetic boundary where I'm like, Okay, I'm here for you.

876
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.559
That's your stuff and this is my stuff, and I

877
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:07.760
think that actually makes it better. Oh, I'm sure you

878
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:08.840
must feel that all the time.

879
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:10.480
Yeah.

880
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.719
Look, that's interesting that you say that, because it took

881
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.119
me a really long time to realize that some of

882
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.679
what I was feeling was not mine, some of what

883
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.400
I was carrying or if I was just in an

884
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:21.039
off mood.

885
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:22.400
Oh I didn't.

886
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.559
And you know, we all have good days, bad days,

887
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.519
you know, down days. We all have days we feel

888
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:33.079
a bit more anxious or worried or whatever. But it

889
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.760
actually there was a point where and it was probably

890
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.800
through doing what I do with meditation and just checking

891
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.320
in with myself and my own energy, that I actually realized,

892
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.320
Oh wait a second, I actually I am pretty sure that

893
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.280
this is not my stuff. I think I'm actually kind

894
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.599
of absorbing this and I had to get much more diligent.

895
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.719
And it's a good reminder because I've probably been forgetting

896
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.760
to do that, and reading your book, I was like, oh, yeah,

897
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.039
that is really important.

898
00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.400
I love that phrase that you use, which is, oh,

899
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.360
that's not my you know, like I love that You're like, oh, yeah,

900
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.559
this isn't mine. I'm just gonna leave this, you know,

901
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.679
leave this baggage behind. It's true most of the time

902
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.039
it's actually not ours.

903
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.360
But we carried around and we just we just think, oh,

904
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.719
I'm just obviously having a shitty day or whatever.

905
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.599
But maybe it's somebody else's day.

906
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:22.639
Just it's nice to think about that way, even if

907
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.079
just psychologically it helps you to kind of shake it

908
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.239
off and move on from it, you know, like whatever.

909
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.480
I completely agree. Yeah, even imagining it as like someone

910
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.519
else's suitcase that you've been carrying like lugging on your

911
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.239
back and you're like, oh, I'll just yeah, put this down.

912
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.960
I can put this down. No, I love it.

913
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.760
And I think that when you're talking about like amplifying

914
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.760
your energy, like even that is just such great life advice.

915
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.480
I mean, in the in the woo woo sort of world,

916
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.599
we talk about oh, raising your vibration, but it is

917
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.280
really it's just filling filling your life with more opportunities

918
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.519
for joy. Isn't it Like it's just really putting your

919
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.599
intention and your energy and you effitt into the things

920
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.639
that really fill you up, because is enough that kind

921
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.719
of can drain us and drag us down. So it's

922
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.960
being really conscious about that and deliberately kind of amplifying

923
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:17.480
your energy.

924
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.280
Yeah, and I love that we kind of talk about

925
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.639
it without knowing it. You know when someone says, you know,

926
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.559
do what lights you up right? Or they say, oh,

927
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.119
she has such a bright smile, It's like those are

928
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.800
energetic things and we need them. Like we're here to

929
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.199
express our energenious We're here to express our talents. And

930
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.199
my goal and all the work I do across the

931
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.039
board is if everyone can connect with their energenius and

932
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.079
be at their greatest potential, I think the world would

933
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.039
be a really amazing place. You know, everyone is so gifted.

934
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.679
It's like that is something that I know to be

935
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.559
true after all these years of working with different founders.

936
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.719
Some of them come from very impressive backgrounds, but actually

937
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.599
a lot of them don't. But it's just finding that

938
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.599
spark of energenius. You know. It's doing those things that

939
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.760
you do really well, but not just that it's also

940
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:14.719
doing them in the style that is unique in all

941
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.639
your own because you know, there's like plenty of ways

942
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.800
for someone to, let's say, be a writer, but every

943
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.519
person is going to bring their own flavor to it.

944
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.320
There are a lot of different podcasts out there, but

945
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.280
the people who listen to this one, there's a resonance, right,

946
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There's something about you and your style that they really

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are attracted to. And so the more you can actually

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be true to your energenius, the more people can find

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and connect with you.

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I think that is actually a really great place to

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end this conversation, because I know I could talk to you, Liz,

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all day long, and I did mean to ask you,

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because it's the premise of the whole book is about

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connecting to your ergenius. I think what you were sharing

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is you have a chaptical becoming brilliant, but what you

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specify that you don't really talking about becoming brilliant because

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we are already brilliant. It is about remembering your unique brilliance.

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I guess living your life as much as possible and

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doing your work as much as possible from.

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That place, Yes, everyone is so talented, it's crazy, like

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even just think about the people in your lives, Like

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if you kind of do a quick scan around your

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family members, your partner, and you can see so clearly

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how they're just genius at something right. It could be

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like making food, where it could be like at their job.

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It could be in the way that they are able

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to connect and talk to people. There's something that we

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spot in other people, and I think that the sad

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part is it's like we're really not good at spotting

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it in yourselves. And that's why in the book, I

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love tools like personality assessments, astrology, numerology, all these different

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ways to give us language to explore who we are.

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And so maybe I'll say, if you can take this

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and try to articulate what your energenius is, and you know,

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if you haven't, take the Meyers Briggs tape Indicator personality

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test doesn't take very long. It'll give you some language,

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have your astrology chart read, let someone else give you

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some verbage for how amazing you are, and then you

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can start to learn and understand it yourself, because it's

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a treasure.

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Liz, congratulations on the book. Thank you so much for

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your time today. It has been an absolute pleasure.

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Thank you so much, Cass.

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Liz Trans book The Karma of Success is available right

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now now. If you're in Australia, you can right now

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get the kindle or audible version of the book. If

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you're in the UK or US, the paper version is

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out right now. Australia you will have to wait a

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couple more months to get the paper version of.

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The Karma of Success.

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Meanwhile, be sure to follow Liz on socials. Her Instagram

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account is Hey Liz Trans or her coaching company is

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Reset NYC. I'll put the links to both of those

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in my show notes. Her website is Liz Hyphentran dot com.

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