April 3, 2023

Why diets don't work with Lyndi Cohen

Why diets don't work with Lyndi Cohen
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Season 8 Personal Growth & Healing Physical Health

In this week’s episode Cass is joined by Lyndi Cohen - also known as the Nude Nutritionist. Lyndi is an anti diet dietitian, best selling author, and host of the ‘No Wellness Wankery’ podcast. Her latest book is Your Weight is Not The Problem… and that’s really the topic of our conversation today. In a world that places so much emphasis on, particularly women’s physical body and being thin and beautiful, how can we move away from a diet, and weight, obsessed culture and into a place where we are happy with our body and improving our relationship with food.
Cass and Lyndi explore:

  • What is a diet and the rules we inherit and carry as souvenirs from a life of dieting and diet culture.
  • How to know if you’re on a diet or making a ‘lifestyle change’.
  • Ways to start changing your relationship with your body.


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Transcript
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A listener production.

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This is Crapphita Happy and I am your host Castunn.

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I'm a clinical and coaching psychologist and mindfulness meditation teacher

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and of course author of the Crappita Happy books. In

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this show, I bring you conversations with interesting, inspiring, intelligent

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people who are experts in their field and who have

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something of value to share that will help you feel

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less crappy and more happy. Today, I am joined by

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Lyndy Cohen, who you might know as the Nude Nutritionist.

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Lindy is an anti diet dietitian, a best selling author

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and host of the popular podcast No Wellness Wankery. Her

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latest book is called Your Weight Is Not the Problem.

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And that's really the topic of our conversation today. In

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a world that we know places so much emphasis on

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particularly women's physical body, and on being thin and beautiful

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and youthful, how can we move away from a diet

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and weight obsessed culture and into a place where we

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are happy with our body and improving our relationship with food.

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In today's conversation, Lindy and I will talk about what

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is a diet and the rules that we inherit and

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carry as souvenirs from a lifetime of dieting and diet culture.

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How do you know if you're on a diet or

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you really are making a lifestyle change, and some ways

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that you can start changing your relationship with your body.

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I know this is such a relevant topic for so

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many of us. I know you're going to love this

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conversation with Lindy. Lindy Cohen, welcome to the Crappy to

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Happy Podcast.

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CAAs, thanks for having me. It's I'm delighted. Thank you.

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I'm a huge fan of your work.

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I love what you do, so when I saw that

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you had written a new book, I knew that I immediately

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had to book you. And thank goodness, we got you

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in just before you're about to go off and have

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a baby.

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So I appreciate you making the time.

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We have one week until dday. But I just want

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to not glamorize that, by the way, that it actually

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would have been really nice to, like, you know, if

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I planned my book a little bit better and my baby.

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With these things you cannot plan. But anyway, a bit

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of rest is always nice as well for everyone.

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Hopefully you might get a little bit of rest after

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the well, no, there'll be no rest after the baby

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because what am I talking about?

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But hopefully you'll get a little bit of.

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Space anyway to be able to focus on the baby

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and the other baby, because I know it's not your

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first one.

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Anyway, Lindy, let's.

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Talk about you are a nutritionist and a dietitian and

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really really doing a great job educating people about healthy eating.

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And the time of your book is your weight is

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not the problem, which I love.

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I think we all know. I've talked about it on

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this show many times. Everybody's talking about it.

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We know that diets don't work, and yet we are

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still obsessed with dieting.

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So I would love to just start with just straight

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up why don't diets work?

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You know, you're right, we do know that diets don't work.

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Goodness knows. We've tried enough of them to realize that

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what ends up happening is they make us feel crazy

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around food, around the very foods we're trying to avoid

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we suddenly can't stop thinking about. Then, you know, we

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try and be good, we end up in this pattern

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where we're next thing we know, are crouching in the

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pantry at three pm, or we've picked up the kids,

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or you know, back from a busy day and we're

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eating as much as we possibly can. We're eating more

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than we went on the weekends. We lie in bed

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at night being like, oh, I wish I could do

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things differently. We wake up the next day resolved to

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do it differently. And yet the same pattern keeps on

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repeating itself. And it's not just that diets don't work,

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it's that they actually lead to weight gain, not weight loss,

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the very thing they are promising to us. But the

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reason I wrote this book is because I feel like

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I meet smart people every single day who know that

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diets don't work, and yet I would have a chat

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to them and it would become clear to me really

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quickly that these people were all on a diet. And

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so in the book, I talk about this idea of

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diet rules. So diet rules are these crappy souvenirs from

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a diet's past. You know, it's anything you've collected along

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the way, all these rules about how you should or

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shouldn't be eating, and so often they end up contradicting

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each other. So it could be that carbohydrates are good, No,

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carbohydrates are bad, carbohydrates are fine, but you have to

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have this much. No, you can only have carbohydrates after

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a certain amount of time. There are hundreds of these

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percolating in our very lovely headspace, and as a result,

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it makes it incredibly hard to make healthy choices. We

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think these diet rules help us eat healthily. We think, well,

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if I didn't have these diet rules, I would face

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plants into the pantry. If I didn't have these rules,

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I wouldn't eat healthily at all. But the thing is

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these diet rules are dieting, and dieting is contributing to us,

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as I said, feeling crazy around food, contributing to weight gain,

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making us obsessed with the very things would not allow

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to eat. And if it worked, wouldn't we have all

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reached our goal weight by now and be happy in

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all those and and be the healthy people we want

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to be. It's not working, so we've got to ditch

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these diet rules.

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You have raised some really good points there that I

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want to pick up on, and I think probably maybe

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a better first question would have been like what is

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a diet? Because I think there is so much confusion

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now because we are now being sold and now what

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we think we're doing is we're being healthy. We want

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to eat well, we want to be healthy. So when

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does the healthy eating and wanting to be you know,

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the have energy and be invigorated, and all of those

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things that we think come with eating certain things or

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eating in a certain way, Like, when does that actually

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become a diet?

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It's such a good question. So back in the day,

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everyone was dieting, and everyone was talking about dieting, and

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it was still quite trendy. Would have the accins diet,

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the cabbage soup diet, the lemon detox diet. He did

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them all and then at some point, thank goodness, dieting

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became quite uncool. And so even the diet companies have

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picked up into this fact. They go, oh, people don't

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want to do a diet, So we're going to tell

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everyone that we're not a diet, we're a healthy evening plan.

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We're a lifestyle approach, they promise while giving you a

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meal plan. And so it's become trickier than ever to

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avoid diets, and this is what's sabotaging so many of us.

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And so in the book I talk about what exactly

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is a diet, but one of the things that is

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a sure giveaway is a list of forbidden foods, so

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eat these, but don't eat these. Control is another form

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of dieting, following a meal plan, so someone telling you

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what to eat every single meal of the day. Listen.

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I'm sure you can stick to that for a few weeks,

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maybe a few months. But if you don't want to

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be living like that for the rest of your life,

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then what's the point of doing it temporarily Because any

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health benefits that you get are going to be just

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short lived. And so one of the things I offer

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in the book is three questions we can ask ourselves

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to work out. Is it a diet or is it

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a healthy habit? Because yes, I am a dietitian. I

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want us to be healthy. I want you to have energy.

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I think energy is the most important thing we can have.

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I want you to sleep well. I want you to

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like yourself. So we need to be adding in lots

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of things that make us feel good in order to

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do this. So the three questions are one, does this

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help me become closer to the person I'd like to be?

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That's just a really nice qualifying question, so that it's

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promoting good health. Number two, can I do this for

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the rest of my life. That is a very very

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important one. As I just said, if we can't do

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it for the long term, then any benefits are going

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to be very short lived. And question number three is

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really important. If this didn't contribute to weight loss, but

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I still choose to do this, now you might think, oh, well,

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I do want to lose weight, so why should I

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not put that as a priority. And what I say

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to that is weight loss is actually a very terrible

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motivator of health. So there's a few options what happens.

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One option is we try to lose weight, we get

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to our goal weight, and once we've reached our goal,

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we stopped doing all the things that helped us get

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us to that point. But more commonly, what ends up

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happening is, let's say I start running and the only

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intention of my running is that I'm going to lose weight,

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and I am dedicated, and I'm eating in a certain way,

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and after a few weeks I help on the scale

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and I realize I haven't lost weight, or I haven't

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lost enough weight, or whatever parameters I've set for myself.

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Do you think I'm going to keep running? I'm absolutely not.

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It doesn't matter that I'm sleeping better, that I have

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more energy, that I have all these other benefits. I'm

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simply going to look at my weight loss in the

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prescribed time that I've been told. This is how much

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weight you should lose if you follow all these rules

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and disregard all these healthy habits. So a little bit

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about me. I used to be a chronic diet I

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started my first, all right, it's very relatable. At the

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age of eleven, I was put on my first diet

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for no reason other than the fact that I wasn't slim.

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I then was prescribed a meal plan. I came in

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for regular way, and I became obsessed with trying to

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weigh less. Fast forward ten years. At this point, I

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was now categorically morbidly obese. I hated my body. I

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was obsessed with food. No one knew more about food

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than me. I had tried countless diets by this point.

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I guess at twenty one, I stopped and I thought,

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I've been following all the rules. I have tried all

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these things, and here I am heavier than I've ever been.

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Hating myself. There's got to be another way. So I

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decided this is how I was going to stop dieting.

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I was going to stop subscribing to these things that

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were making me feel crazy around food. Over the next

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four years, I lost twenty kilograms simply by not simply,

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but by not focusing on my weight, by focusing on

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things that made my body feel good. Over time, I

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lost the weight, which equates to one hundred grams per

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week over that time period. Now I've been pursuing weight

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loss and only last one hundred grams a week. There

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is no way I would have thought that was enough.

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I would have given up. I would have disregarded the

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fact that I was fundamentally changing my brain and my

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body and my lifestyle, that I was morphing into the

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person I always wanted to be. That one day I

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would look back on my life and be like, can

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you believe I do these things naturally easily, without willpower

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because I want to? And weight loss turned out to

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be just a happy side effect as a result of

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doing all these things. So I think our obsession, our

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hyperfixation on trying to lose weight, is really sabotaging us

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and anyone who feels like they have a weight problem

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their entire life. You go to the doctor, what do

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they tell you, we can't work on anything else because

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you need to lose weight. You need to try harder,

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just use more willpower. We get told and you want

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to yell. I have tried. I have tried so many

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countless ways to control this body. And the more we

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keep focusing on trying to lose weight, I think it's

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a day injurious strategy. We know we've tried it, and

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it's it's not working for us.

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And it doesn't work.

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And the thing that breaks my heart too is I've

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had Glenn Macintosh on the shoe as well, and he

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talks about you know, if anything failed to ninety five

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percent of the time, like you, you just it would

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be stupid to expect that it's going to work for you.

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And that's that's what we do with diets.

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But what happens I see all the time is people

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say I was following the plan, I was doing the things,

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I was getting the results. I was feeling good and

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to a point, and then life happened. My mum got sick,

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we moved house, my partner lost his job. You know,

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all of this stuff happens, and I just fell off

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the wagon, like I just, I just didn't sustain those

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behaviors and now I've gained back all the way and more,

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which is statistically what happens. But they don't say, well,

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there's the evidence that dieting doesn't work. They say there's

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the evidence that I am a failure because it was working,

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you know, I was getting the results and the fact

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that I'm now not means there is something wrong with me.

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And that's the thing that I really think we need

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to flip. There are so much self blame and self

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judgment and self criticism involved when the thing happens that

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statistically is going to happen exactly.

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You haven't failed a diets diets and don't failed you

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countless times again and again. And I think this faulty

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thinking is the thing that keeps us stuck thinking, well,

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if I just tried harder, or if I did things

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slightly different, if I had more time, I had more money,

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if I mel prepped, whatever it is, we keep thinking

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this time is going to be different. But statistically, each

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diet attempt is probably getting less effective. And I talk

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about this is diet burnout. So perhaps you once did

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you know an approach, you counted points, calories, macros, whatever

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your poison was and it worked and you lost weight

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and you regained it again. And now you keep going

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back to that same approach, hoping this time you'll be

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able to replicate the same results. And yet you're finding

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you can't stick to the diet nearly as long as

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you once did. You're not losing weight like you once

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did either, and you're just feeling like this is more

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reason as to why you're the failure. This is how

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diets work, is that your body gets a lot smarter,

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and it does something called the survival switch. So when

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your body fears that there isn't a plentiful supply of food,

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it caesars control. Its job is to keep you happy

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and healthy, which means nourished and fed. So as soon

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as it gets a whiff of dieting, of restriction of oh,

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the famine starts tomorrow, which is that I'll start a

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diet on Monday. Mindset. As soon as it notices this,

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it flicks into this primal state where you might find

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you can't stop eating. Your every thought comes back to food,

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and this is a byproduct of starvation. This is a

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byproduct not even of even physically restricting, but simply having

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the thought I shouldn't have eaten, that I'm feeling guilty

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about it, noticing maybe I should only have one slice

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instead of two, all of these thinking this is emotional

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hunger at play, and we need to rectify this because

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this is what's driving us to feel like we feel

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out of control around food, or that we're addicted to sugar.

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Neither of these things are true. We just need to

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work with your body and start listening to it, because

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your body's constantly giving you feedback about how to look

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after it, and from a very young age, you've been

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taught to ignore it. Things like you have to eat

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everything on your plate, of diet, advice about how to

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control how much you weighed and what you looked like,

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and all of these things are making it really hard

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for you to simply tune into your appetite, which is

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your body's innate weight management system. To be honest, it's

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pure job is to tell you how much food you

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need to thrive. Some days you're going to burn lots

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of energy and some days you're going to burn less.

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Your appetite will naturally flux with the changes in your

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energy levels, and so we need to get a whole

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lot better at not listening to to the diet noise

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or these diet rules that are telling us when to eat,

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how much, and how confusing that all is. And we

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need to get good at listening to our body, which

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means listening to our appetite, asking ourselves, am I actually hungry?

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And making sure we're eating satisfying food. Oh my goodness,

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the number of dietis I meet who do not eat

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enough during the day, who do not eat enough satisfying

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food during the day, blows my mind. Although it's completely

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understandable when you've been told to cut up carbohydrates and fat,

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especially if you know you've been dieting for years in

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the eighties.

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Yeah, it's people to go for the low fat option everything.

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But no, we've moved past that, please.

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But people are building because we're collecting these diet rules

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like souvenirs, and so we need to get rid of

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them otherwise it's going to continue to be really hard

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for us to not eat emotionally, for us to stop

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eating when you feel full. And I think this is

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a crazy idea what I talk about. Those ideas. We

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have to give ourselves permission eat the very foods that

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we feel out of control around and then someone will say,

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but when I just lose control around these foods, if

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I let myself just eat as much chocolate as I want,

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I won't be able to stop eating. And the interesting

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thing is the exact opposite thing tends to happen. When

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we say to ourselves, you're not allowed to have chocolate.

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That creates that sense that there is a restriction on

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how much chocolate you are allowed to eat. So when

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we do get access to it, we have to roundpage

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and eat as much as we possibly can because we

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don't quite know when we're going to get access to

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it next. And makes us feel crazy around food. When

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we do the opposite, we say, hmm, I'm going to

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eat this chocolate, and I'm allowed to eat this chocolate,

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and anytime I want more, I can have more. It

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flips something. Suddenly we have choice, Suddenly we know it's

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not going anywhere. They did this really interesting study with

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macaroni and cheese, and they gave participants as much macaroni

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and cheese as they could possibly eat, a delicious comfort

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food I think we would all agree, And what they

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found is after a few days of this experiment, well,

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the macaroni and cheese was very interesting to the participants

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in the beginning. A few days in the macaroni and

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cheese just wasn't as interesting that had macaroni and cheese,

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and as you can imagine, they didn't eat nearly as

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much macaroni and cheese. This is what we need to

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do with these foods that we feel crazy around. Giving

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yourself permission to eat them makes them less interesting, reduces

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your cravings around them, so you feel normal around them again.

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The opposite restricting them, telling yourself you can only have

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one more slice, one more piece, one more bite. This

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is what's making us feel crazy around food. I know

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it's counterintuitive. I know I'm asking you to trust me

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and do something different, but we need to try something

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different here because this old approach is not working.

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It's not working.

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So much good information there, Lindy. So first of all,

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going way back, you said we might have done this,

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then counted the points, did the thing, got the result,

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and then you know, three years later, four years later,

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whatever I've been in this situation myself in my twenties,

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you go back to that thing that worked and lo

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and behold, it doesn't work.

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Why not?

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Okay, So there are physiological changes that happen in your body.

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Very interesting research from the Biggest Loser study actually, where

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you know the famous TV show where participants would lose

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a hectic amount of weight in a very short period

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of time, and some very smart scientists started tracking these

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participants to see what happened to their bodies afterward. Now

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this is purely physiological. What happened to them is that

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their Grellin levels went up. Grellin is your hunger hormone,

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so they were hungrier afterwards. Not only that their leptin

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levels went down, which is the hormone that tells you

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I've had enough to eat, So they're hungrier and they

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need more food before they feel satisfied. But not only

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that the metabolism slowed. Normally, when you lose weight, we

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would expect to see metabolism slowing by a certain degree.

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But what was interesting is their metablism slowed far more

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than we would have ever predicted elsewhere, and five years,

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six years after follow up, it didn't come back to

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baseline level, even though all except one participant to regain

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the weight. So each diet attempt is impacting our ability

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to find a weight that feels comfortable for us. Not

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only do. We have these physiological changes that I've talked about,

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but we also have those psychological impacts, the obsession with food,

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the constant thoughts, the accumulated diet rules that making us

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feel crazy around food. It is very socially acceptable as

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well in our culture to make comments about food, to

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comment on other people's bodies too. For you know, you've

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been in the staff room and someone's going to say, Oh,

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my goodness, can you really get away with eating all

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those carbohydrates? Yeah, exactly, I have to go to the

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gym tomorrow. All these kinds of comments are very socially acceptable,

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and I really want that to change as well.

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I do too pick.

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I pick people up on that sometimes people I'm close

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enough to do to pick because I have a teenage

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daughter too, and she picks people up on things like

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that all the like, Oh, I have to go to

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the gym tomorrow to work this off, you know, all

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this naughty food today, I'm going to have to work

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extra hard tomorrow. Like no, no, we're not going to

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be We're not even going to say that out loud,

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Like that is not a thing anymore.

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I love that.

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Lindy also said that what we really need to do

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to break out of these old patterns that don't work

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is to give ourself permission to eat all the food.

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And you quite rightly also said most people will say

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I talk to people too and say the same thing,

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and they will say absolutely not, like I can't be trusted,

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like I would just eat.

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All the food.

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So should people expect when they start, you know, doing

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something different, letting go of old food rules, expect that

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there will be a bit of a compensated it, like

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they might overdo it initially, but to understand that that

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will be temporary, that they will come back to a

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more of a healthy balance.

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Yeah, I think that is almost the biggest challenge is

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to say to you when you read introduce these foods,

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they are going to be highly interesting. You haven't allowed

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yourself full permission to eat them in a very long time.

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So what we're going to have to go through is

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a phase of refamiliarizing yourself with these foods and helping

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your body learn and trust that these foods truly are allowed.

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So there might be some murky waters in between, where

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we know progress is definitely not linear, and that's certainly

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the case in this situation and for anyone who's scared

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going yet? But I really don't want to lose I

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really don't want to gain weight. That's the thing I'm

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most scared of. I really just I'm terrified of this idea.

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I want you to imagine. Imagine where will you be

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in one year from now? Where will you be in

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five years from now? I wish this was a quick fix.

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I wish, but quick fixes don't work. What I'm talking

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about is a slow rewiring of the pathways in your

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brain to change your very relationship with food, the thing

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that you have been taught from as a young kid

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about how you should be eating. We need to remaster

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all of this stuff, so there will be times where

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you eat more than you planned. I would say, though

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I don't think it's going to be necessarily more than

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what is currently happening in your life. You're probably already

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feeling a little bit out of control around food. You're

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probably overeating on a regular basis anyway. So really, what

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are the options we have is one where we're going

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to get progress and move in the right direction, and

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the other one we're probably going to progressively gain weight

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with each failed attempt it slow. Our metabolisms have all

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these impacts on us psychologically, and I think at some

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point we need to take the long term view and

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do the scary thing. And I know this is scary

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what I'm asking you to do to give yourself permission

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to eat foods, But it's worth trying.

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Yeah, it's I think that's a psychological hurdle that people

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really struggle to overcome when we perceive that the worst

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thing in the world is gaining weight. I mean, that's

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00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.839
a whole other issue, right, like the fact that a

461
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.759
woman's whole sense of liking herself happiness is all contingent

462
00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.720
on achieving au And wait, I mean, how do we

463
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:03.599
move past that? Yeah?

464
00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:05.920
So I dedicate an entire chapter in this book to

465
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:08.480
talking about how to raise kids who like their bodies,

466
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.000
who have a healthier relationship of food than what you

467
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:13.480
were probably given, what we were all probably given by

468
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:16.759
our moms or our grandmothers. And I think for years

469
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:19.759
we've been passing down disordered eating from generation to generation,

470
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.920
pulling your tummy, should you really be having seconds? All

471
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.720
these comments that we often are handing down between mothers

472
00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.920
and daughters. So, if you grew up with a questionable

473
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.079
relationship of food and you now have kids going, I

474
00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:33.039
don't want them to have to struggle the way I

475
00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:35.240
did this. This is why I wrote that book. I

476
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.960
really want you to be able to read this and

477
00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.880
take it on board. But I think when people have

478
00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:45.200
this idea, this misconception that body image is a trivial thing,

479
00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:49.880
that people stressing out about weight is just about vanity.

480
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.240
It's not about vanity when we fail a diet. Well,

481
00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.720
when a diet fails us, now not only do we

482
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.079
have ourselves to hate, but our very sense of who

483
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.079
we are is it comes into question. We think we're

484
00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.839
incapable and a failure, and so it is so much

485
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.240
greater than just what we look like. It is our

486
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.319
very essence of who we are and how the world

487
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.079
perceives us. And I can't lie to you and say

488
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.279
looks don't matter. I want to be able to. But

489
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:21.920
I think we live in a world that tells us

490
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:23.799
that the most impressive thing a woman can be is

491
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:28.119
thin and pretty and look perfect. And I think we

492
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.799
need to decide that. And there are so many things

493
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.839
I tell myself, and I will teach you how to

494
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.759
talk to yourself differently, because when you wake up in

495
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.200
the morning and looking in the mirror triggers you into

496
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:41.400
a bad body image day. It spirals your health, your

497
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.920
physical and your emotional wellbeing in a really negative way.

498
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.000
So we need to have some coping strategies where you

499
00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.400
can say to yourself, you see a really bad photo

500
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.480
of yourself. Everyone's going to have a bad photo or

501
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:54.200
a bad angle. You say, it's not. It's not my

502
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.079
purpose in life to look perfect from every single angle.

503
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.359
It's really not. You're going to take great photos and

504
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:02.920
you're going to take terrible photos. The question is, are

505
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.319
you going to let those bad body image days derail

506
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.039
you and send you on the yo yo dieting bandwagon

507
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.920
yet again, or are we going to do something a

508
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.279
little bit different. Body image is really important because I

509
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:16.880
think we think, well, I'll lose weight and then I'll

510
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.480
like my body, you know, And I think that's the

511
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.240
wrong way to do it. I think liking your body

512
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.799
is the pathway to health. I think when you like something,

513
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.119
Let's say you have a car that you love. You

514
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.160
take such good care of it. You're going to get

515
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.359
it serviced, you're going to keep it clean, You're proud

516
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:36.279
of it. You want it to be a nice place.

517
00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.720
When you don't like something, you disregard it, You get

518
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.039
sloppy with that kind of thing. You just it doesn't

519
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.759
really matter, it's not important, you don't prioritize it. So

520
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.839
I think it's really important that we should like ourselves first.

521
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.640
I think we take much better care of our bodies.

522
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.720
We do things because we enjoy them, because we like ourselves.

523
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.319
I feel like it's a much better place for us

524
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:56.960
to be coming at it going. I want to add

525
00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.440
in healthy habits because I like myself, not because I

526
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:00.200
hate myself.

527
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.880
I often say to people, like, appreciate your body for

528
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.880
what it can do, you know. I appreciate your body

529
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.880
for what it allows you to.

530
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.559
Do in life. You know, even if you can't right

531
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.480
now love how it looks like.

532
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:16.039
What are some of your kind of tips around that

533
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.480
helping people to get more accepting of their physical body.

534
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.400
I think this idea of you know, I spent many

535
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.920
years hating my body, and the idea of moving from

536
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.400
hating my body to loving my body was too large,

537
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.559
too large a swoop to take, And I don't think

538
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.319
we should aim for loving our bodies. I think what

539
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.519
we should aim for is simply accepting them, choosing to

540
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.960
respect it and that might go, Listen, I don't look

541
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.880
amazing today, but I'm still going to choose to respect

542
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.200
my body and take care of it, and I think

543
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:51.000
that's important. So I'm not talking about you know, people go, well,

544
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.160
this is just you're just going away, I don't care

545
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.279
about how I look. This isn't the case. This isn't

546
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.680
not caring about how you look. This is just not

547
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:01.599
letting how you look to determine how you take care

548
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.799
of yourself. And it does take a lot of work

549
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.240
because literally everything around us is reminding us that we

550
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.400
would be happier if we were thinner, and we actually

551
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.200
live in a world that prefers someone to have an

552
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.200
eating disorder over existing in a larger body. It's incredibly disordered,

553
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.319
and that is perhaps why we have seventy five percent

554
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.119
of women who have disordered eating. And so you have

555
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.640
to kind of recognize that this is the normal. This

556
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.519
is the culture, unfortunately, and we have to start to

557
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:32.599
change it for ourselves and for our kids, because it's everywhere.

558
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.079
I hope that you're enjoying this conversation and realizing the

559
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.039
benefits of positivity in your own life. If you are

560
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.880
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561
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562
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563
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564
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A rating and review.

565
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.920
The other thing, Lindy, that I think we're coming up

566
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:06.640
against now is that this idea that certain ways of eating.

567
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.960
I'm thinking particularly of things like Keto, things like intermittent

568
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:15.720
fasting that have really been sold as health solutions. I

569
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.519
was even reading the other day that you know, Keto

570
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.559
has following a Keto dart has been shown to potentially

571
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.559
reduce the risk of, say, Alzheimer's, and you know, there's

572
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.200
lots of talk about reversing diabetes and all that sort

573
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.480
of stuff. So I can see how people will really

574
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.920
latch onto those particular ways of eating with the assumption

575
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:39.480
we're being told that this is like a healthy lifestyle, and.

576
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.359
It is, and there is heaps of research to say

577
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.480
if you follow Keto you'll get these benefits, and if

578
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.759
you fast intermittently, there are stackloads of benefits for you.

579
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.440
I can't refute that, and I won't. However, my question

580
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.160
to you is can you do it for the rest

581
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.960
of your life? Because all of those benefits are contingent

582
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.599
on you sticking to it, and that's the fundamental. A

583
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.960
few a handful of people will happily fast every so

584
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.880
often in their life and do that forever. I'm not

585
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.480
one of those people. For me, I feel like I

586
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.759
need paster in my life. I need to be able

587
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:14.920
to eat when I am hungry. And so I think

588
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.359
what we're talking about here is we're tuning out of

589
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.720
these nutrition gurus who are constantly telling us which super

590
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.799
foods to buy and the new trends and all the

591
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.640
things that we should be doing. And it's about tuning

592
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.400
into our body that's constantly giving us this feedback loop

593
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.200
that's saying, hey, this food doesn't make me feel amazing,

594
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.880
or this one does make me feel great, instead of

595
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.400
getting caught up and what is the current fad. And

596
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.759
by doing this over a period of time, we're going

597
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.920
to fine tune how you should be eating. And when

598
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.519
your body has more energy and youruslee being better and

599
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.799
your bowels are working well and your mental health isn't

600
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.960
a good place, that's when we're going to know this

601
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.720
is the diet. Because there isn't just one diet that

602
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.400
works for you. But we got to work out what's

603
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.480
your thing what's gonna what is sustainable and enjoyable for you?

604
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.960
I think that is an amazing, amazing point. Yes, number one,

605
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.880
do it if you can sustain it. But people that

606
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.200
I know typically don't, myself included, you know, I even

607
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:09.920
get hooked into that.

608
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:11.400
Oh I probably should do that because I don't want

609
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.880
to get else someone's maybe I should try keito. I

610
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.319
can't do kito, like, I could never stick to something

611
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.640
like that. It's just beyond me. So I don't even

612
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.680
know why I try.

613
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.279
So try.

614
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:25.279
Yeah, I don't try.

615
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.279
And maybe you have to drive yourself to realize that

616
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:32.480
that is not sustainable or if it is great. But

617
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.000
what you have just started to talk to talk about, Lindy, sorry,

618
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.359
is this idea of tuning into your body. And I

619
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:45.599
think this is such an important point. We're so disconnected

620
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.880
from our own bodies in many ways, not just to

621
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.960
do with food, but just do with everything. Like we

622
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.279
stuffed down our emotions. We live in our heads. We

623
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.240
think we can think our way through all the problems,

624
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.400
whereas I'm all about, you know, feeling, connecting with your body,

625
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:02.359
connecting with sensations, and this idea of just getting a

626
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.440
little bit more in tune with ourselves and our body

627
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.640
and learning what feels good for us, as opposed to

628
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.559
looking outside of ourselves all of the time for the

629
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.599
answers or the rules or the results or the solution.

630
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:16.599
Then that's kind.

631
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.880
Of the way forward, and I think that's what you're encouraging.

632
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.920
Right exactly. Let's look at kids. For example, I think,

633
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:28.799
you know, I'm a mum. When I'm feeding kids, I'm like,

634
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.720
there is temptation to say things like, oh, listen, you

635
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.200
can have dessert when you finish this meal, or no

636
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.319
more chocolate. I hear parents saying that's got too much sugar.

637
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.400
We shouldn't be eating that. There's a temptation to want

638
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.799
to try and control what they eat. Well, what I

639
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.960
really want for us to teach them from the get

640
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.799
go how to listen to their innate body, their bodies

641
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:54.160
innate wisdom. So, for example, you know, maybe not even maybe,

642
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.119
I think what we should be doing is letting our

643
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.319
kids find the boundaries of their health. So let's say

644
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.880
they do eat way more chocolate than is healthy and

645
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.839
then they feel sick. They go, oh, it doesn't feel

646
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.599
so good. I actually want my kids to experience that.

647
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.440
I want them to have that internal feedback loop that's

648
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.359
helping them to make healthier choices. Because I'm not going

649
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.839
to be around forever, and we can't parent our children

650
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.480
all the time saying eat this, don't do that. We

651
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:22.799
need them to be able to trust that their body

652
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.559
is guiding them to make healthy choices. And the only

653
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.839
way we're going to do that is by letting go

654
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.519
of all these rules that we think we have to

655
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.799
tell them. I think the default we need to recognize

656
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.680
is that our body does want us to be healthy,

657
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.680
that it has a whole built bunch of inbuilt mechanisms

658
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.000
to help us try and be healthy. It likes us

659
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.960
to go to sleep, It tells us when we need

660
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.119
to go to the bathroom. It has all these little

661
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.839
clues that it's constantly trying to tell us I'm thirsty.

662
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.359
I need more of this. And what we need to

663
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.240
do is get better at listening to these little cues

664
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.039
that are happening, these little clues that are happening, so

665
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.880
that we're hearing them before it ends up being shouting.

666
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.720
We get out of our brain and get into our body.

667
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:03.839
And I think it's a really nice thing to teach

668
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:05.960
our kids. And if you didn't learn that as a

669
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.359
kid yourself. It's not too late for you to start

670
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.240
to learn how to listen to your body as well.

671
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.519
Yeah, that's such great advice.

672
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.759
The other thing you mentioned earlier that I just remembered

673
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.480
I wanted to pick up on was the difference between

674
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:17.880
emotional hunger.

675
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.599
And physical hunger. I get asked this all the time.

676
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.599
In fact, just talk to the girls on the kickpod

677
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.039
about this very topic, about.

678
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.279
This idea of emotional eating.

679
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.000
As a psychologist, you know, part of my approach is, well,

680
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.079
how about we focus less on the eating and more

681
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.920
on the stress or the emotion or what's going on,

682
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.160
you know, tuning in and dealing with that, instead of

683
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.480
being the biggest concern being that, oh my god, if

684
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.519
I'm emotional eating, I might gain weight and that could

685
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.240
be the worst thing in the entire world that might happen,

686
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.079
because the fact of the matter.

687
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:46.839
Is that food.

688
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.799
And I've made this point myself too, like food is

689
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:53.759
not just fuel. Food is connection, food is social, food

690
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.400
is you know, we don't just eat to survive.

691
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.920
Emotional eating is my expertise. What I focus on, this

692
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.640
is what I help people. I help people who've tried

693
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.759
all the things and have failed it all the things. Okay,

694
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.960
So firstly, some degree of emotional eating very normal, normal,

695
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.760
very healthy, well well within the healthy range. We all

696
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.400
have different coping strategies, and eating can be one way

697
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.599
that we can soothe, one way amongst many ways that

698
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.920
we can help to soothe ourselves, whether it's you know,

699
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.280
going for a walk, or speaking to someone or having

700
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:29.920
arrest so many ways. What happens is we end up

701
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.199
when we create these lists of forbidden foods. When we

702
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.840
apply all these food rules, we make emotional. We make

703
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.079
eating so much more interesting and attractive, and it gives

704
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.639
us such a big dopamine hit when we do do it.

705
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.320
So it does a really good job of helping to

706
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.599
soothe us, and so we use it more often as

707
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.159
a coping strategy. So this idea of giving ourselves permission

708
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:56.199
to actually eat these foods helps us to rely less

709
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.079
on eating as a way of soothing ourselves, because these

710
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.239
foods don't create this same kind of dance party in

711
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.599
our brain as they previously did. An important part of

712
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.760
this is understanding the difference between physical and emotional hunger. So,

713
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.199
physical hunger is the gnawing in your stomach. It's a

714
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.639
gut feeling to say, hmm, I feel like I should

715
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:21.360
eat something stronger. Symptoms of it might be feeling fatigued, lightheaded, angry,

716
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.000
definitely something I struggle with, and using the hunger scale

717
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:26.760
something I talk about in my book Your weight is

718
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.800
not the problem will help you work out Am I hungry?

719
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.599
If you've been dieting for countless years, it's really hard

720
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.119
to know. Am I physically hungry? Or am I just

721
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.239
thinking about food? Because you've been taught to ignore hunger

722
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.679
or eat by the clock. It's lunchtime, it's breakfast time,

723
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.880
this is what I should eat, and so we learn

724
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.480
how to ignore physical hunger. A few things to know

725
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.719
about physical hunger. It is pretty predictable, so it rises

726
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.519
slowly as we run out of energy in our body

727
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.159
says hey, I'd like a little bit more energy. Can

728
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.039
you top me up? And that's what hunger is. So

729
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.360
when you are hungrier, you're burning more energy. And there's

730
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.960
been some really interesting research to show that your hunger,

731
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.760
your appetite can help you eat within fifty calories of

732
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.960
your energy requirements, which is far more accurate than any

733
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.239
meal plan could possibly be. Because some days you burn

734
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.119
a lot and some days you do not. So what

735
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.079
we need to do is get off that meal plan

736
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.599
bandwagon and start tuning into your lovely body using something

737
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:25.159
like the hunger scale. Now, emotional eating is different. Of course,

738
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.719
we use food to emotionally calm ourselves and to feel good.

739
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.800
When we are doing this thing where we are taking

740
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.400
foods off limits, we are aggravating our emotional hunger. We're

741
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.440
saying to ourselves, you can eat this, but only have

742
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.840
this much. And what it does is it creates the

743
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.000
sense of you know, when you finish a meal and

744
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.840
you I just really need something sweet, or you know

745
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.079
you've finished your dinner time and you're just going, oh,

746
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.679
I just really feel like something. I'm full, I've eaten,

747
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.280
I'm not hungry, but I really feel like something is

748
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.079
going to hit the spot. Firstly, there's conditioning that is

749
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.880
happening here. So you know, typically you always eat some

750
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.519
dessert while watching your favorite TV show, it's going to

751
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.920
condition you that the next time you're watching your favorite

752
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.239
TV show, you're probably going to want those foods as well.

753
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.000
But the more food rules we're applying, the more we

754
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:16.480
can boost up our emotional hunger. And also the big

755
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.000
problem is we're often not having satisfying foods. So let's

756
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.920
say we try to be good during the day, we're

757
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.639
having a light, fluffy salad or whatever we think is

758
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.880
the right choice, and we're actually not having the very

759
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.480
foods that are truly satisfying to us, both physically and emotionally,

760
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.280
and that's leaving us with this gap where we go, well,

761
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.599
I am physically full, but there is an emotional desire

762
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.159
there that has not been met. There is also a

763
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:41.880
third type of hunger which I talk about, which is

764
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:46.039
hormonal hunger. So of course when you have your period,

765
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.199
there is a week before your period comes where you

766
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.599
are going to be ravenously hungry. You are burning more energy,

767
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.800
and you are just going to want to eat so

768
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.639
much more. A meal plan telling us to eat the

769
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:57.480
exact same thing every single day is just not going

770
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.119
to cut it. When you hit menopause, of course, we

771
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.760
know you get so much more hungry than you previously

772
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.239
were before, and there's a whole bunch of impacts there

773
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.280
as well, with your slowed metabolism that we need to

774
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.760
talk about that I do talk about in the book.

775
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.280
And then the thing that can apply to everyone, regardless

776
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.000
of gender, is sleep. So fundamentally, if you're not getting

777
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.800
enough quality sleep, your body is going to seek out

778
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.679
energy in some form, and the easiest form for it

779
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.440
to get energy is through food. And sixty percent of

780
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.880
Australians aren't getting enough quality sleep or enough sleep, And

781
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:33.400
so we keep looking for this new fan dangled solution

782
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.880
to our health and what superfood is it going to be?

783
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.159
What diet am I going to try? We need to

784
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.760
prioritize on the basics first, and the basics I talk

785
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.960
about this idea of the hierarchy of healthy habits in

786
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.039
the book, which is about prioritizing the stuff that has

787
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.519
the biggest impact in your health and then building real

788
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:54.119
health above that. Sleep is a cornerstone of health. It

789
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.639
regulates all your hunger hormones, It regulates your metabolism, it

790
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.400
controls your mood, and it is not something we are

791
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.159
prioritizing enough. Instead, we're asking questions like with yogurt should

792
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.679
I be having instead of trying to work out how

793
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.119
do I get better quality sleep, something that would have

794
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.039
a far greater impact on our health.

795
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.199
I'm glad you mentioned that because that was one of

796
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.000
my favorite things in your book. I love that pyramid

797
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.639
I thought that is perfect.

798
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.159
That just makes so much sense.

799
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.320
I recommend anybody grab the book and have a look

800
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.039
at that, because you're right. Deal with the basics first,

801
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:30.000
get that foundational stuff right, and then start moving up,

802
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.239
because I think it can feel really overwhelming to try

803
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:37.280
to change your whole way of thinking, eating, behaving.

804
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.159
You know, like it's quite overwhelming.

805
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.519
So I really love that healthy habits pyramid that you suggest.

806
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.320
Even when we get off the dieting kind of bandwagon,

807
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.159
even when we learn better, we know better and we're attempting,

808
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.639
for example, to we might swear no more diets. I'm

809
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.440
just going to eat, listen to my body. We can

810
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.840
often find ourselves and you talk about this getting triggered

811
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.480
by into dieting. So I'm not doing any more diets.

812
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.880
I know that doesn't work. I've done qto, I've tried that.

813
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.519
It doesn't work for me. I just that's just not

814
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.840
a thing. But then, you know, you go to work

815
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.920
and Brenda from accounting is you know, everybody's oh, you

816
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.480
look amazing, you've lost so much weight. Again, we comment

817
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.320
on other people's bodies and weight as if that's the

818
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.239
most important thing about them, the most significant achievement of

819
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.079
their life was to lose weight, and everybody wants a

820
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:28.519
piece of that.

821
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:29.519
What did you do?

822
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.440
What did you how did you get that result? Or

823
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.639
all sorts of things can trigger us back into thinking

824
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:40.159
to believing that, oh, actually maybe this will be the answer,

825
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:45.159
maybe this will be the solution. How do you suggest

826
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.079
that people kind of protect themselves, insulate themselves, I guess,

827
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:51.800
from those kinds of triggers, or respond to those kinds

828
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.800
of triggers and not be pulled back down that path again.

829
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.119
Yeah, it's incredibly hard because die culture is absolutely everywhere.

830
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.880
It's normalize these things that we say to our colleagues

831
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.360
and our friends that are just this is just normal

832
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.679
for us, sadly, and so there are so many ways

833
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.599
that we can opt out. Whereas you know, we know

834
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.239
it's unsubscribing from people we follow on social media, but

835
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.119
of course Brenda from accounting, we can't avoid her in

836
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.800
the in the in the lunch room forever. In those

837
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.679
situations where you see a friend or a colleague and

838
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.679
they're losing weight and you go, oh, well, I could

839
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:27.199
I could just I could go keep that, I should

840
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.239
just do that, and and you know they you notice

841
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.119
that they just want to keep talking about, Oh, I

842
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.119
tried this, and then I ate this, and and they're

843
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.400
really proud of it. I actually I flip that in

844
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.559
my mind. I see that rather as a symptom of

845
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.280
their diet obsession, that when we are not eating enough,

846
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.960
when we are trying to control everything we eat, our

847
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.679
brain has to hyper fixate on food. It's if you've

848
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.199
ever lie lay in in bed at night running over

849
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.119
all the things you've eaten and how you're going to

850
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.519
do better tomorrow, and then you wake up in the

851
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.679
morning and you have you have to con be thinking

852
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.239
about food. This is a symptom of someone who is

853
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:04.960
on a diet. And so I always see someone like

854
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.440
that and I think, okay, can I firstly, can I

855
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:09.199
notice that kind of behavior? And then where they do?

856
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.280
They often want to talk about their weight and what

857
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.400
they're doing, because I see it as a signed disorder

858
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.559
and I don't see it as inspirational, and I think

859
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.119
that's a nice way to think about it. I also

860
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.480
think if someone had lost weight and five years later

861
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.039
they going I'm still where I am now, I'd say great.

862
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:30.039
But eighty percent of people will regain the weight that

863
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.639
they lose on a diet. I wish Brenda all the best,

864
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.800
but I think reminding ourselves that if it worked, it

865
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.840
would have worked by now we have tried countless times.

866
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:42.920
And what the sad thing for me is in my

867
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.199
work is I sometimes find that I've had to people

868
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.639
have had to diet for a decade at least before

869
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.159
they get to the point where they go, I've tried

870
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.400
enough to realize this isn't going to work. And maybe

871
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.599
you'll have these temporary lapses where you go, oh, maybe

872
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.719
I'll just try thinking like this. But once you know

873
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.559
about what is actually driving you to eat and feel

874
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.480
out of control around food, you can go, oh, I

875
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.320
told myself I should try and eat a bit more

876
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.599
clean this week, and I guess that explains why I

877
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.199
feel a little bit crazy around food right now. And

878
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.239
then you remind yourself of the basics and you come

879
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.000
back to a non diet approach that is perfectly fine

880
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.199
to do, and it's normal to do when you're you're

881
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.280
learning how to stop dieting after decades and potentially decades

882
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:25.960
of dietes and decades.

883
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.519
I know, I really love that too.

884
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.280
I think that that's a really probably a nice way

885
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.719
to wrap it up too. Ultimately, life is too short

886
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:39.880
to be miserable and focused on how we look and

887
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:41.480
what we should eat.

888
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.039
Life is to be enjoyed.

889
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.719
That's where I've got to and after my decades of

890
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.239
attempting to diet. But I think that what you said,

891
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.239
Linda about normalizing the fact that yeah, you might have

892
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.239
those setbacks and relapses and that's okay, that's a result

893
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:56.639
of years of conditioning.

894
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:57.719
That's a man.

895
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.400
At your funeral, no one is going to talk about

896
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.599
how flat your stomach was, whether or not you had

897
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.440
cellulate or scrawny arms, and if they do, your friends

898
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:09.960
are shit. And honestly, the truth is, you can't live

899
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.960
a full life on an empty stomach, or you can't

900
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.159
reach your potential when every thought keeps coming back to

901
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.920
food and how much you're allowed to eat and how

902
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.599
many calories you've consumed that day. It's time to stop

903
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.639
waiting to lose weight, to live your life like go swimming,

904
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:29.800
be in photos, turn up, start existing for this whole

905
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.920
madness that we're only going to be happy when we

906
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.320
finally lose weight. We need to stop that dialogue because

907
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.559
life is happening and you're missing out.

908
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.599
Amen to that Lindy, thank you so much for the

909
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.639
work that you do. Thank you for your time today.

910
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:44.880
This has been amazing.

911
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.199
I really appreciate everything that you're doing.

912
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.039
Oh it's my big pleasure. Thank you.

913
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.880
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